Add 2 speeds to helical A882?

[fltcoils]

I bought a clean A882 today, series 04. I was so happy to get it, since it has a helical drive. Until I fix my A606 I can use it. The mechanicals are almost identical to my A606.

No leaks, no rust, damper pads are good, motor carriage rolls freely, agitator moves up/dn ok.

I found that I missed one important thing, gentle speed.

Since I have an extra 2 speed motor (recently bought for A606), I think I can easily substitute that, yes? But then how do I provide the speed selection? A) Simply add a toggle switch. B) Add a new top panel with 2 speeds. C) custom patch in a 2 speed switch from a A883 or A884 into A882 panel.

Would a control panel from a A606 or A806 fit?
Does someone have an extra A606/806 or A883/884 control panel?

Thanks.

 

[fltcoils]

Additional panels

I find reading
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/MODERN/2006/6804x26.htm

That A883/A884/A283/A284 and A613 would all seem to work,
If they are from series 1-9 (helical drive)

thanks again.

I'm starting to think a toggle switch is best, but If I can be more elegant than that with a "right" panel for 2 speeds, so much the better. (and a center dial A806 panel if it would fit would of course would be wonderful.)

 

[appnut]

May I ask a stupid question

it's a Fabric-Matic, why not use the provided delicate cycle and according to owners' manual instructions instead of doing all that? It really isn't a bad delicate cycle.

 

[kenmore700bill]

I have to agree with Bob i have the smaller tub Fabticmatic one speed and we have no issue at all with the delicate cycle even the Permanant Press which i use alot because of dress shirts for work no wrinkles. The machine is a work horse. I dont know the year of the machine but i do know the console is brown not black and we wash everyting in it from heavy towels to sheer curtains and sweaters.

 

[qsd-dan]

TG = April 1987. It has the newer lower lip seal, instead of the older o-ring style.

You can swap the whole "tree" into the 606 and retain your 2 speed wash action. It's a direct swap and shouldn't take more than 30-45 minutes to accomplish.

There was a member here who swapped the newer style console onto an older center dial machine, so I'd say it's very possible.

 

[fltcoils]

some good suggestions to think about

Thanks for the comments.

Being alone this wknd I've bought my (our) 4th washing machine. I thought it would be an easy sell to my spouse, but without that gentle speed, which she uses all the time on the A606 (leaking input shaft, bad damper pads, froze motor carriage, rusty) I may have a revolt. "A fourth machine!!!!" I can hear it right now.

So I'll take a trip to the car parts store and get a SPDT Sw. That way I can select the high or low hot lead for the agitate cycle. Would there be any reason for a gentle spin?

I've also got a maytag worm screw agitator to put on, I like the way those help turnover.

note: I do hope to revive the current mechanicals of the A606 some day. just need to put in the new input shaft, install damper pads and get the motor carriage going. easy enough esp with QSD-Dan's transmission expertise.

 

[fltcoils]

manual

where might I find a manual for this machine?

The maytag site doesn't recongnize the model no A882, says there are too few digits? 88204 and 882 04 and 882-04 don't work either.

 

[appnut]

What would you like to know from the manual? After Whirlpool took over Maytag, all their really old stuff went by by off the web site.

 

[alr2903]

The gentle on the A206 (fabrimatic), works quite well and the spin is quick and short. I never use the gentle on my more modern Tag with the load sensor. alr2903

 

[appnut]

Arthur, are you sure you don't mean A106? An A206 would imply 2-speed.

 

[fltcoils]

I may have to drop in on Whirlpool

I may end up driving up to Benton Harbor and see if I can get a manual. I'm surprised they don't have pdfs of them all.

 

[appnut]

If you're wanting information about cycles, I can provide that. It's not a complicated machine at all. In fact, this is the same machine that were in Maytag laundrymats from the early 1970s on.

 

[toggleswitch]

With two SPDT toggle switches (*COUGH*) you could separately select a slower speed wash or spin.

Or with a DPDT toggle switch you could create a true gently cycle with both a slow wash and a slow spin

And dears, everyone knows a slow speed spin is essential for panties, pantyhose and bras, SILLY!

 

[fltcoils]

I'll play dumb to that

I just didn't realize the spin force was enough to damage things, stuf like a wacoal underwire might be damaged, however that spring steel seems to take a lot of stress. I guess thru excess stress it can break the wires out of the seam, but I thought that was more a matter of agitation than spin.

Anyhow, good that you, Toggleswitch, can see my point about adding a switch. It seems an easy mod to add a feature my spouse values. The manual would tell about the newer cycle features in this modern late '80s machine, and how to use it.

A wiring diagram may help me patch in a 2 speed in this machine. I've got one on the outer tube of my A606, I can't find any on this one. Red, black, orange, brown, white, yellow, blue..... so many wire colors to choose from on one of these motors...I've been assuming it is like a furnance blower, select one of 2 hot wires to select the speed. etc.

but perhaps it is more complicated than that.

thanks for your help again.

 

[appnut]

If your A606 has both a regular and perm press cycle, they are identical to what is on this machine. the only thing that's different is the delciate (fabric-matic) cycle. Set the timer for 8 minutes and always use a full water level. Fill the wash tub no more than 1/2 full. Once agitation begins it will agitate for one minute and pause for 4 or 5 minutes. then it agitates again for another minute and then pauses/soaks. then an abbreviated spin & spray rinse. A very short rinse (1 minute) then final spin which is 3 minutes at the most.

 

[fltcoils]

old A606 only regular cycle and soak

Thanks for the info on how to use the delicate cycle.

The A606 we've been using didn't have a permanent press cycle. To wash delicates we used the low speed setting on the motor.

If I get a switch installed on this one, with a 2spd motor, then we can get the same result if we want.

I'm also planning to try this later model's agitator, just to see how it works. I think it was from a LAT9520AAQ.

 

[alr2903]

Bob, you are right, I have an A108, serial number 126572 AX, thanks for the question. The plate is under the lid and most of the paint is worn off. I wonder how old she really is? arthur

 

[fltcoils]

cork screw agitator

I tried the ratching cork screw agitator instead of the power fin. A gentler washer, but with a medium load the ratching mechanism didn't operate. For whatever reason it was dragging and so wouldn't ratchet freely.

Today I put in a 2 speed motor, and for now hooked up the slow winding. Tomorrow I'll get a SPDT rocker and install it to get my 2 speeds.

BTW, these don't have a set of fwd and rev leads, rather they reverse the start winding polarity to reverse. To set speed they switch between the high and low winding lead.

Golly the lead wire colors are completely different for the single speed vs 2 speed. You'd think they would use the same colors except add the orange for the slow. nope, every color except white is switched to an entirely different function.

go figure.

 

[qsd-dan]

Maytag certainly went a little berserk with motor start switches. I don't understand why they didn't just use 2 start switches (1 speed motors, 2 speed motors). By '66, Maytag narrowed their multiple motor usage down to 2 motors for each speed. 201805/201664 for 1 speed and 201807/201666 for the 2 speeders. I don't know what differences occur in them internally, but the 201664/201666 motors are beefier, leading me to believe they're more of "heavy duty" style motor.

Before '66, Maytag used all sorts of motors, motor makes, start switches, ect. God forbid you get an older, uncommon pre '66 motor that has had the color dabs worn or wiped off. I smoked a couple of those while attempting to use the process of elimination.