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I went looking at new washers today and saw ge`s redesigned washers and dyers they have a new look and noticed that it also said new 360 arc agitation called hydro-wave , I looked at there web site but they dont even have there new models updated on there web site yet does anyone have any info on these I kind of liked the way they looked they now also have a time remaining indicator . Thanks david
 
Interesting! I hadn't heard about the redesign for GE. Don't you hate it when manufacturers' websites are slow in getting out info on new products? They should be hyping the product before, not after, it reaches the stores.
 
Here's the link. I must say it does seem like an interesting design, though it could be just a pulgitator on steroids (sort of like what they're doing with impellers now).

A while back, when Rodrigo in Brazil posted his collection, he mentioned something about a 360 degree agitator stroke for his GE. So I wonder if they're already doing this over there?

 
To go from proabably a less than a 90 degree *speedy Gonzales* arc to 360 degrees seems a bit severe.

I was happy with 210 degrees on the Amanas.......

Still, this I'd like to see. Did mannies finally realize that shredders are availabe from office-supply type stores and are not necessary in the laundry room?
 
Something sounds a little F&P

Since Fisher Pakel is showing up in Whirlpool and Kenmore and the agitator does the amazing fly and stop action, wouldn't it be possible the GE is a rebranded F&P?
Kelly
 
Perhaps this is a function of the elimination of a traditional transmission, and the introduction of a DC motor, where the agitation sweeps are achieved by reversing the polarity and good timing. All this possible thanks to inexpensive rectifiers and "computer chips" /electronics.

My Kenmore branded WP portable (about 10 years ago) had such a system. It allowed the tub to become larger by going MUCH further down, (approaching the floor) and elimated the need for a tranny.

The washer in the link is the general idea, but seems to be the "next generation" Mine had a porcelain tub at the time.

 
I Called GE.......

I called GE and asked for some information on the new washers. The rep. could not provide me with much information but did tell me these new washers had a spinning rpm of "around 800rpms".

If this is so, I might get a pair to go along with my new SpeedQueens. I like having the option of the Extended Spin on these new washers.
 
OK, I stopped by the local Homo Depot tonite and looked at this washer. There is nothing to indicate that it is any different from any other GE top load washer. It's a nice looking machine. However, the machine is a direct drive design, no transmission (according to saleswoman). It has the standard GE dual action agitator that makes a complete 360 degree stroke. It has an excellent warranty - 5 years on the suspension and electronics, and 10 years on the direct drive motor and outer tub, lifetime on the stainless inner tub. But you have to read the literature to realize that this machine is different from the standard GE top load fare. Also supposedly almost completely silent when running. Seemed like a very solidly built machine. Controls have a nice, weighted, quality feel to them....doesn't seem cheap and flimsy. I think it's an 800 RPM spin speed, too. The matching dryer has a stainless drum, and seems similarly well constructed, though it's the standard CAMCO design dryer like the rest of the GEs. Nice looking set.
 
Found Some More Information.....

I just left Home Depot and a knowledgeable sales rep. showed me the information on these new GE washers. The maximum spinning rpms is 630. Also, the washer has the PerfecTemp which means water temperatures are, probably, dumbdowned.

I do not understand why manufacturers choose to keep these low spinning rpms for topload washers. I believe 850rpms and up would be sufficient. Any thoughts?
 
First off, I fully agree with you. Spin speeds of TL'ers should be increased. It would help them keep up with energy usage requirements. However, that must be a difficult or expensive proposition, because no one seems to be drastically increasing their spin speeds.

I've read that plastic tubs will deform once they cross a certain rpm. I think its in the low 600's, if I recall correctly.

My brand new Frigidiare TL'er uses a Franklin transmission design which is at least 50 years old and I'm guessing it spins no faster than it did 50 years ago.
I'd be surprised if it spins over 525 rpms. The 'power spin' in the heavy duty (Whites) cycle increases the spin time to 12 minutes, but I doubt it removes much more water than the 3-minute final spin on the Colors and Delicates cycles.

If I wash bath towels in the TL'er, I use my FL'er as an extractor. I'm amazed at how much more water is extracted in the FL'er.

A few brands that have abandoned transmissions have increased spin speeds---Cabrio/Oasis from Whirlpool/Kenmore and Fisher & Paykel come to mind. They have stainless steel tubs and machines that spin at about 1000.
 
i wonder if this machine is at all like the portable ge spacemaker i saw a few days ago at the scratch and dent store?
 
Unlike say when Frigidaire had final high spin speed washers, the legal climate is very differnt. My guess is appliance makers don't want to go through all the costs to bring such a product to market, only to have someone harmed and sue for millions. Yes, it possible to design an "idiot proof" system to prevent the washer from being opened while spinning, but then the world would only produce a "smarter" idiot who would some how, some way get into trouble.

High spin speeds also involve a whole new set of design problems. Tubs must be SS, and the unit will need to be stable at all speeds, with some sort of unbalance detection system to prevent a 18 or so pounds of laundry from banging the washer to death, possibly moving about the room and causing harm as well.

You would never get the high spin Hoover or Maytag TT's over in today's market without a way that stopped the spinner before the lid could be opened. My Hoover spinner simply cuts the motor and allows the drum to coast to a stop when the lid is opened. Have always wondered if a person or child was harmed and Hoover sued.

L.
 
Something new is always exciting.

Its about time GE did something about their range of washing machines.

I remember the Brazilian model from a little while ago posted here was sexy baby!

The 360 degree stroke works well I find, much better than the trashing given by Whirlpool type machines. If its direct drive, try grabbing the tub and see if it spins freeley, it may spin freeley but have a bit of click click click. If it does either its direct drive. If the tub is stationary then its probably a reversing type motor that is common on asian and australian style machine.
 
Ge s top of the line (not the harmony)has a 800 rpm spin its been in there line up for a couple of years now , It has a lid lock on it that pops out like the frigidaires when in spin cycle ,you can see the lid lock in the photo gallery of that model its right above the magnetic safety switch.
 
definatly not F&P

I looked up the parts break-down on this new model. GE calls it the Genesis series. The inside design is VERY similar to the previous models. In fact many parts are the same. The transmission is replaced by a long shaft with a much larger pulley on the bottom than the transmission models have. The V-belt is replaced by a flat polly-V. Basically looks like a front loader turned vertical. With only one motor and one shaft and no transmission I'm not sure how it controls the difference between turning the agitator or the basket.

Ed
 
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