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always had a soft spot for the PACER in my heart! Edsel made a Pacer too!
always had a soft spot for the PACER in my heart! Edsel made a Pacer too!
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That box of ALL is very nice.
Funny how you become attached to brands. The first of only two repair calls my Mother made to GE for our 1962 Filter-Flo was because a sock was suds-floated into the outer-tub and clogged the drain. The repairman recommended that we switch to DASH and that became our brand until there was no more DASH.
Similarly, I guess our GE pull-out came with a sample-box of ALL and that was our DW detergent until the end of ALL. I still remember how pretty that printed-foil covered box was.
Funny how you become attached to brands. The first of only two repair calls my Mother made to GE for our 1962 Filter-Flo was because a sock was suds-floated into the outer-tub and clogged the drain. The repairman recommended that we switch to DASH and that became our brand until there was no more DASH.
Similarly, I guess our GE pull-out came with a sample-box of ALL and that was our DW detergent until the end of ALL. I still remember how pretty that printed-foil covered box was.
toploader55
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Tom
How true what you said before the Advent of Air Conditioning.
Yes, our neighborhood too was like that where you would see or hear your neighbors with the windows and doors open and see all those window mounted Box type fans with the reversable blades. On one side of the house the blades would be Pulling the Outside air in, and the other side of the house would be set exhausting the air. I also used to love the Big Homes that had the Enormous Attic Fans with the big louvers. Same thing here. Just walk up to the back door and ask. Mother would usually say, "Oh come in for a cold drink". Exactly.
Now a days, I suppose if you walked up to anyones back door, they would hit the Panic Alarm on the security system, the Swat Team will show up, and you'd get arrested for Tresspassing and Breaking and Entering. Sigh... I'm glad we remember those Old Days.
How true what you said before the Advent of Air Conditioning.
Yes, our neighborhood too was like that where you would see or hear your neighbors with the windows and doors open and see all those window mounted Box type fans with the reversable blades. On one side of the house the blades would be Pulling the Outside air in, and the other side of the house would be set exhausting the air. I also used to love the Big Homes that had the Enormous Attic Fans with the big louvers. Same thing here. Just walk up to the back door and ask. Mother would usually say, "Oh come in for a cold drink". Exactly.
Now a days, I suppose if you walked up to anyones back door, they would hit the Panic Alarm on the security system, the Swat Team will show up, and you'd get arrested for Tresspassing and Breaking and Entering. Sigh... I'm glad we remember those Old Days.
appliguy
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Hey Washernoob......
before you make blanket statements about a car company that went out of business 6 years before you were born you might want to do a little research first.....American Motors Corporation <span style="color: #333333;">(that is the real name of the company NOT AMC motor company) cars were not built any worse than most average cars of the </span>50's thru the 70's. Most american built cars in the 70's were not of the best quality build wise. I speak on that from experience becaue my family owned 2 1974 Chevrolets (a Caprice Classic Sedan and a Malibu Classic Sedan) a 1977 Plymouth Sport Suburban, a 1979 Pontiac Sunbird and a 1979 Buick LeSabre all in my lifetime. When I was little in the early and mid 1980's a number of my neighbors had AMC cars (as a matter of fact Mr. Cleary down on the corner worked for Tysons AMC Jeep at the time) and they had great sucess with their cars. For you to make the statement you made based on your neighbor not caring for or keeping up his car is like me putting down Chevrolet because a neighbor of ours has one sitting in his garage that has not run for 5 years.
As for the AMC Pacer that car was supposed to be equipped with a GM made Wankel engine. GM had licensed the Wankel Technoliogy and was going to start putting it in some of the cars but then an interesting discovery was made about the first generation of Wankel Engines.....they were gas hogs....then add to that the 1973-74 Fuel Crisis and GM pulled the plug on the idea of building the Wankel and bought back the tools and dies of the old Buick V6 from AMC. They enlarged it to 221 cubic inches and started offering in compact and mid sized GM cars for 1975. As for the Pacer, when GM pulled the plug on their Wankel porject that left AMC with a car and no engine. The only engine in AMC arsenel that was relatively small and that had anywhere near enough power to move the Pacer was the 232 CID straight 6. AMC shoehorned that engine into the Pacer and that is why the engine comes back into the passenger comartment like it does. All in all from what I have read a lot of people think the Pacer would have been much more sucessful than it was if it had been offered with the Wanklel as originally planned. I know my cousin Jimmy had the Station wagon version that came out in 1977 and his had a factory offered 304 V8 and it was a pretty big and comfortable car for its size and with the V8 it had decent power by late 1970's standards and to my eyes it looked better than the regular coupe......PAT COFFEY
before you make blanket statements about a car company that went out of business 6 years before you were born you might want to do a little research first.....American Motors Corporation <span style="color: #333333;">(that is the real name of the company NOT AMC motor company) cars were not built any worse than most average cars of the </span>50's thru the 70's. Most american built cars in the 70's were not of the best quality build wise. I speak on that from experience becaue my family owned 2 1974 Chevrolets (a Caprice Classic Sedan and a Malibu Classic Sedan) a 1977 Plymouth Sport Suburban, a 1979 Pontiac Sunbird and a 1979 Buick LeSabre all in my lifetime. When I was little in the early and mid 1980's a number of my neighbors had AMC cars (as a matter of fact Mr. Cleary down on the corner worked for Tysons AMC Jeep at the time) and they had great sucess with their cars. For you to make the statement you made based on your neighbor not caring for or keeping up his car is like me putting down Chevrolet because a neighbor of ours has one sitting in his garage that has not run for 5 years.
As for the AMC Pacer that car was supposed to be equipped with a GM made Wankel engine. GM had licensed the Wankel Technoliogy and was going to start putting it in some of the cars but then an interesting discovery was made about the first generation of Wankel Engines.....they were gas hogs....then add to that the 1973-74 Fuel Crisis and GM pulled the plug on the idea of building the Wankel and bought back the tools and dies of the old Buick V6 from AMC. They enlarged it to 221 cubic inches and started offering in compact and mid sized GM cars for 1975. As for the Pacer, when GM pulled the plug on their Wankel porject that left AMC with a car and no engine. The only engine in AMC arsenel that was relatively small and that had anywhere near enough power to move the Pacer was the 232 CID straight 6. AMC shoehorned that engine into the Pacer and that is why the engine comes back into the passenger comartment like it does. All in all from what I have read a lot of people think the Pacer would have been much more sucessful than it was if it had been offered with the Wanklel as originally planned. I know my cousin Jimmy had the Station wagon version that came out in 1977 and his had a factory offered 304 V8 and it was a pretty big and comfortable car for its size and with the V8 it had decent power by late 1970's standards and to my eyes it looked better than the regular coupe......PAT COFFEY
WANKLE ENGINES
Also had terrible durability problems the first car sold with one was the German built NSU many of these didn't last 10,000 miles. Madza did get them to last closer to 50,000 miles and even longer in the sports car RX-7. I do remember reading that AMC had bought 50,000 4 cylinder engines from Audi to put in thier compact models and ended up scraping most of the new engines because there was little demand for the 4s as people though the energy problems were over in the early 1980s.
Also had terrible durability problems the first car sold with one was the German built NSU many of these didn't last 10,000 miles. Madza did get them to last closer to 50,000 miles and even longer in the sports car RX-7. I do remember reading that AMC had bought 50,000 4 cylinder engines from Audi to put in thier compact models and ended up scraping most of the new engines because there was little demand for the 4s as people though the energy problems were over in the early 1980s.
...GM pulled the plug on the idea of building the Wankel and bought back the tools and dies of the old Buick V6 from AMC. They enlarged it to 221 cubic inches and started offering in compact and mid sized GM cars for 1975.
Amen to that! While the first 3 production years of the 231 V6 were odd fire engines, resulting in a rough power band, the revised 1978 even-fire metric blocks were the forerunner to the high performance Turbo Buick V6, as well as the footprint for the venerable FWD 3800 from from 1984 through the Gen III blocks which were in production up until the last few years.
Really it is a shame that GM didn't offer up the 231 to AMC after they had bought back the rights and tooling, and if they had, that AMC didn't bite at the offer.
In regards to AMC - long live the Eagle!
Ben
Amen to that! While the first 3 production years of the 231 V6 were odd fire engines, resulting in a rough power band, the revised 1978 even-fire metric blocks were the forerunner to the high performance Turbo Buick V6, as well as the footprint for the venerable FWD 3800 from from 1984 through the Gen III blocks which were in production up until the last few years.
Really it is a shame that GM didn't offer up the 231 to AMC after they had bought back the rights and tooling, and if they had, that AMC didn't bite at the offer.
In regards to AMC - long live the Eagle!
Ben
Wow....now i have to dig out some pics.....that pic Ben put up is the same exact model and color of my 1986 Eagle...which I got in 1990 for 500.00 and kept for 3 years......this one had shift-on-the-fly 4 wheel drive
I had a 1983 Eagle wagon in Blue, I got that 1986.......
And of course I had my 1982 Black Eagle SX/4...which I kept for 19 years....
these last two had STOP>>PULL>>SHIFT Fourwheel selection.....
there was nothing that these cars could not handle, I took all of mine along for the Jeep Excursion back trails.....
Having a background in AMC, allowed me to have mine beefed up with lift kits, wider tires and stance, push bars and winches.....I was ready for anything....fun part was on crossroad circles.....with the SX/4, go fast enough and make the driver side tires lift off the ground....great times
I had a 1983 Eagle wagon in Blue, I got that 1986.......
And of course I had my 1982 Black Eagle SX/4...which I kept for 19 years....
these last two had STOP>>PULL>>SHIFT Fourwheel selection.....
there was nothing that these cars could not handle, I took all of mine along for the Jeep Excursion back trails.....
Having a background in AMC, allowed me to have mine beefed up with lift kits, wider tires and stance, push bars and winches.....I was ready for anything....fun part was on crossroad circles.....with the SX/4, go fast enough and make the driver side tires lift off the ground....great times
Buick V6 and V8 . . .
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<span style="font-size: medium;">It’s kind of odd that Buick designed two very long lived, important engines for the Special and then GM sold both of them to other manufacturers after only short periods of production. First was the 215 cu. in. aluminum V8 introduced with the Special in ’61, and then the iron V6 added to the lineup in ’62. Olds had their own version of the V8 for the F-85/Cutlass with Olds-unique cylinder heads. Pontiac also used the V8 in the Tempest, but bought it straight from Buick. When ’61 Special sales were a little slow initially, Buick got scared and designed the V6 in a big hurry to provide a lower priced option. The early V6s were really nasty as GM didn’t bother to spend any time developing the engine to compensate for the odd-fire design that results from a 90 degree V6 block and a three-throw crankshaft. The V8 was a gem from the start, Olds even turbocharged it for ’63 and thus shares honors with Chevy (who introduced the turbo Corvair the same year) for the world’s first turbocharged production cars.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;"> </span><span style="font-size: medium;">When the Special, F-85, and Tempest became larger "intermediates" for ’64, GM dumped the V8 in favor of heavier and larger iron V8s, although Buick did use some aluminum cylinder heads for awhile on their small-block V8. Rover of England bought the tooling about ’67 to provide a replacement for their old, old, F-head inline six in the big Rover P5 models and to provide an optional engine in the four-cylinder P6 models where an inline six wouldn’t fit. The V8 P5 model was officially known as the P5B, with B being for Buick! In ’70 they introduced the Range Rover with the V8 as standard and it remained the primary Range Rover engine into the ‘90s. GM could have really used this nice lightweight V8 in the ‘70s, but by then it was gone.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Buick continued to build the odd-fire V6 through ’67 as a price leader for the very few Buick buyers who wanted a six. I think Oldsmobile may have offered it on occasion too. After that they sold it to Kaiser Jeep, who wanted to augment the old F-head four cylinder in the basic Jeep. The V6 fit beautifully in the Jeep, and Jeep customers didn’t care if it was a rough running engine. They also liked the fact that there were plenty of V6 parts available through Buick and aftermarket channels so an engine problem didn’t necessarily mean having to find a Jeep dealership. However, American Motors bought Kaiser-Jeep in 1970 and immediately shoehorned their own inline six into the Jeep so they could mothball the V6 for the second time in its’ short life. This is why AMC was able to sell the tooling back to GM during the energy crises as they had no intention of making two sixes with radically different designs. To their credit GM then began to spend money on the V6 and eventually developed it into a fine engine, although it really wasn’t nice until the ‘80s when it got decent port fuel injection and computer-mapped ignition in addition to split crankpins to make it an even fire engine.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Given AMC’s limited budget, I really doubt that they would have been interested in the V6 for their own cars, as they preferred their own inline six. Having the V6 in a redesigned Pacer would have allowed somewhat better space utilization (which was quite awful due to the mostly wasted excessive width), but it would have cost them lots of money to do, and they wouldn’t have been able to fix the balance and vibration problems during the Pacer’s lifetime. What would have worked best for the Pacer would have been to put their inline six transversely with front wheel drive, like Austin did for the 2200 in England, but AMC had neither the engineering ability nor the money to do anything like this.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">It’s kind of odd that Buick designed two very long lived, important engines for the Special and then GM sold both of them to other manufacturers after only short periods of production. First was the 215 cu. in. aluminum V8 introduced with the Special in ’61, and then the iron V6 added to the lineup in ’62. Olds had their own version of the V8 for the F-85/Cutlass with Olds-unique cylinder heads. Pontiac also used the V8 in the Tempest, but bought it straight from Buick. When ’61 Special sales were a little slow initially, Buick got scared and designed the V6 in a big hurry to provide a lower priced option. The early V6s were really nasty as GM didn’t bother to spend any time developing the engine to compensate for the odd-fire design that results from a 90 degree V6 block and a three-throw crankshaft. The V8 was a gem from the start, Olds even turbocharged it for ’63 and thus shares honors with Chevy (who introduced the turbo Corvair the same year) for the world’s first turbocharged production cars.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;"> </span><span style="font-size: medium;">When the Special, F-85, and Tempest became larger "intermediates" for ’64, GM dumped the V8 in favor of heavier and larger iron V8s, although Buick did use some aluminum cylinder heads for awhile on their small-block V8. Rover of England bought the tooling about ’67 to provide a replacement for their old, old, F-head inline six in the big Rover P5 models and to provide an optional engine in the four-cylinder P6 models where an inline six wouldn’t fit. The V8 P5 model was officially known as the P5B, with B being for Buick! In ’70 they introduced the Range Rover with the V8 as standard and it remained the primary Range Rover engine into the ‘90s. GM could have really used this nice lightweight V8 in the ‘70s, but by then it was gone.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Buick continued to build the odd-fire V6 through ’67 as a price leader for the very few Buick buyers who wanted a six. I think Oldsmobile may have offered it on occasion too. After that they sold it to Kaiser Jeep, who wanted to augment the old F-head four cylinder in the basic Jeep. The V6 fit beautifully in the Jeep, and Jeep customers didn’t care if it was a rough running engine. They also liked the fact that there were plenty of V6 parts available through Buick and aftermarket channels so an engine problem didn’t necessarily mean having to find a Jeep dealership. However, American Motors bought Kaiser-Jeep in 1970 and immediately shoehorned their own inline six into the Jeep so they could mothball the V6 for the second time in its’ short life. This is why AMC was able to sell the tooling back to GM during the energy crises as they had no intention of making two sixes with radically different designs. To their credit GM then began to spend money on the V6 and eventually developed it into a fine engine, although it really wasn’t nice until the ‘80s when it got decent port fuel injection and computer-mapped ignition in addition to split crankpins to make it an even fire engine.</span>
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Given AMC’s limited budget, I really doubt that they would have been interested in the V6 for their own cars, as they preferred their own inline six. Having the V6 in a redesigned Pacer would have allowed somewhat better space utilization (which was quite awful due to the mostly wasted excessive width), but it would have cost them lots of money to do, and they wouldn’t have been able to fix the balance and vibration problems during the Pacer’s lifetime. What would have worked best for the Pacer would have been to put their inline six transversely with front wheel drive, like Austin did for the 2200 in England, but AMC had neither the engineering ability nor the money to do anything like this.</span>
washernoob
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Forgive me Pat! Didn't mean to offend. My mom often spoke of her dads Matador. It became her brothers first car and didn't last past 90,000 miles when the engine melted apparently. Funny, She said a few months later it happened to her "new" (old by then) VW Shiraco her friend gave her.
Anyways.....
Thats the car! The eagle in the picture above is the exact same car the guy has in my neighborhood.
Anyways.....
Thats the car! The eagle in the picture above is the exact same car the guy has in my neighborhood.
ronhic
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like Austin did for the 2200 in England
Small note of correction....
The first transverse 6 cylinder engine application was indeed in an Austin, but it was in the Austin Kimberly/Tasman developed in Australia, not in the UK. At the time, the Austin 1800 had sold better here than the UK and Austin wanted a 6cyl car with which to better compete with Holden, Ford and Chrysler...so the 4 cylinder 'E' series engine from the Maxi (and also used here in the revamped 1100) had a couple of cylinders added to it and was fitted transversely.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Kimberley
Small note of correction....
The first transverse 6 cylinder engine application was indeed in an Austin, but it was in the Austin Kimberly/Tasman developed in Australia, not in the UK. At the time, the Austin 1800 had sold better here than the UK and Austin wanted a 6cyl car with which to better compete with Holden, Ford and Chrysler...so the 4 cylinder 'E' series engine from the Maxi (and also used here in the revamped 1100) had a couple of cylinders added to it and was fitted transversely.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Kimberley
appliguy
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Washernoob...
You did not offend me at all, I did not mean to seem so abrasive.........sometimes I get so passionate about things ecspecially vintage things that I get TOO passionate, I honestly think it has to do with living in the DC area where most everyone thinks new is always better....of course we who congregate here know that is not always true don't we LOL.........we had a neighbor who had an early 80's Cavalier and the same thing happened to its engine that happened to your granddads Matador, the Cavalier was done in by the 75,000 mile mark.......I think that your granddad must have had a lemon of a Matador.....it happens in every car line once in a while...a friend of mine's brother has a 74 Matador wagon he bought from the original owner and it has over 170,000 miles on it and he's had no problems at all. What year was your moms Scirroco? I like the first generation 1975 to 1981 I think they are very handsome cars. Washernoob I hope there are no hard feelings because I do find your post very interesting and I think it is cool that a guy your age is interested in this kind of stuff too......PAT COFFEY
You did not offend me at all, I did not mean to seem so abrasive.........sometimes I get so passionate about things ecspecially vintage things that I get TOO passionate, I honestly think it has to do with living in the DC area where most everyone thinks new is always better....of course we who congregate here know that is not always true don't we LOL.........we had a neighbor who had an early 80's Cavalier and the same thing happened to its engine that happened to your granddads Matador, the Cavalier was done in by the 75,000 mile mark.......I think that your granddad must have had a lemon of a Matador.....it happens in every car line once in a while...a friend of mine's brother has a 74 Matador wagon he bought from the original owner and it has over 170,000 miles on it and he's had no problems at all. What year was your moms Scirroco? I like the first generation 1975 to 1981 I think they are very handsome cars. Washernoob I hope there are no hard feelings because I do find your post very interesting and I think it is cool that a guy your age is interested in this kind of stuff too......PAT COFFEY
Ronhic,
Yes, I am aware that this was out in Austalia first, but was just trying to get the point of the transverse six across and the Kimberly/Tasman is virtually unknown outside of Australia. The 2200 was never sold here in the US, however I believe it was sold throughout Europe so is much better known. The probem with the Pacer is that the width caused it to be a very heavy car but didn't pay off in useable interior space. Maybe AMC should have head hunted some Aussie engineers!
Yes, I am aware that this was out in Austalia first, but was just trying to get the point of the transverse six across and the Kimberly/Tasman is virtually unknown outside of Australia. The 2200 was never sold here in the US, however I believe it was sold throughout Europe so is much better known. The probem with the Pacer is that the width caused it to be a very heavy car but didn't pay off in useable interior space. Maybe AMC should have head hunted some Aussie engineers!
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Thanks Pat! No hard feelings at all.
Yes I know what you mean on the "every brand has a lemon"! I think everyone unfortunately hits one of them sometimes.
My expedition is a first year. People always say the first year expedition has serious issues and almost never lasts. 140k miles and no issues yet.
This is the plagued year that for a long time the motor would catch fire and often burned peoples houses down.
Not a single issue except routine maintenance for a high milage SUV.
Trust me. I LOVE OLD THINGS! ESPECIALLY cars!
Yes I know what you mean on the "every brand has a lemon"! I think everyone unfortunately hits one of them sometimes.
My expedition is a first year. People always say the first year expedition has serious issues and almost never lasts. 140k miles and no issues yet.
This is the plagued year that for a long time the motor would catch fire and often burned peoples houses down.
Not a single issue except routine maintenance for a high milage SUV.
Trust me. I LOVE OLD THINGS! ESPECIALLY cars!
appliguy
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Combo52
The 4 cylinder Audi engine you speak of was only offered in the Gremlin for 1977 and I believe 78 the reason it was not popular was because it was not offered in the basic model but only in the more luxurious Custom line, the base Gremiln had a straight 6. Also another reason the Audi engine was not popular is the fact that it shook like hell at idle. The way AMC coverd this up was to use motor mounts that absorbed the rocking and vibration but according to my book on AMC if you lifted the hood of a 4 cylinder Gremlin at idle you would see the little 4 vibrating and shaking. The Audi 4 was replaced by the Pontiac Iron Duke 4 and that was the 4 cylinder engine offered in the 1979-83 Spirit (rebodied Gremlins) into the early 1980's and was also used in line Jeep Cj's and the redesigned 1983 smaller Cherokee's and Wagoneer's....PAT COFFEY
The 4 cylinder Audi engine you speak of was only offered in the Gremlin for 1977 and I believe 78 the reason it was not popular was because it was not offered in the basic model but only in the more luxurious Custom line, the base Gremiln had a straight 6. Also another reason the Audi engine was not popular is the fact that it shook like hell at idle. The way AMC coverd this up was to use motor mounts that absorbed the rocking and vibration but according to my book on AMC if you lifted the hood of a 4 cylinder Gremlin at idle you would see the little 4 vibrating and shaking. The Audi 4 was replaced by the Pontiac Iron Duke 4 and that was the 4 cylinder engine offered in the 1979-83 Spirit (rebodied Gremlins) into the early 1980's and was also used in line Jeep Cj's and the redesigned 1983 smaller Cherokee's and Wagoneer's....PAT COFFEY
ronhic
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Maybe AMC should have head hunted some Aussie engineers
Pride has led to many a company's fall I feel.....here, there and in Europe....
BMC/BLMC may have still been here today if only the British would have listened and used some of the products that were developed here in their own market....and I'm sure that there are examples of frustrated engineers in every company around the world who could have a field day with 'I told you so....'
Pride has led to many a company's fall I feel.....here, there and in Europe....
BMC/BLMC may have still been here today if only the British would have listened and used some of the products that were developed here in their own market....and I'm sure that there are examples of frustrated engineers in every company around the world who could have a field day with 'I told you so....'
appliguy
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Washernoob...
I understand what you mean about your first year Expediton...I have a 1997 T-Bird with the standard V6 and I was told by a friend who had that engine in a 1997 Mustang that his head gaskets failed at 85,000 miles and that his mechanic said that the Ford V6 from that era was known for having it head gaskets go between 80,000 and 100,000 miles...well my T-Bird has over a 135,000 on it now with no problems in sight. As a matter of fact when I had the transmission fluid and filter changed and the valve cover gaskets replaced 2 years ago my mechanic told me that from what they saw of the inside of the engine and tranny, my engine and tranny looked like they had only been run for 1 year not 11 years.....so I think that just goes to show...you get a lemon in every car line once in a while....PAT COFFEY
I understand what you mean about your first year Expediton...I have a 1997 T-Bird with the standard V6 and I was told by a friend who had that engine in a 1997 Mustang that his head gaskets failed at 85,000 miles and that his mechanic said that the Ford V6 from that era was known for having it head gaskets go between 80,000 and 100,000 miles...well my T-Bird has over a 135,000 on it now with no problems in sight. As a matter of fact when I had the transmission fluid and filter changed and the valve cover gaskets replaced 2 years ago my mechanic told me that from what they saw of the inside of the engine and tranny, my engine and tranny looked like they had only been run for 1 year not 11 years.....so I think that just goes to show...you get a lemon in every car line once in a while....PAT COFFEY
Funny how theres a little Gremlin in most "lemon" cars.......all I can think about is the bugs bunny cartoon with the Gremlin in the airplane trying to sabotage it...
one feature I liked about the Gremlins was the seat coverings in "Levis" denim
any "New" machine has a chance of a "GLITCH" in them.....does not always mean the entire line of that product is bad, but it is to be expected when a brand new product comes out, thats just the way it is...we just pray we never get one of them
one feature I liked about the Gremlins was the seat coverings in "Levis" denim
any "New" machine has a chance of a "GLITCH" in them.....does not always mean the entire line of that product is bad, but it is to be expected when a brand new product comes out, thats just the way it is...we just pray we never get one of them
I'm voting for Beam/Franklin
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appliguy
Great history on the Buick V6! Regarding the AMC buyout of Kaiser Jeep around 1970: I read recently that a head AMC engineer at the time critiqued the Buick-then-Kaiser odd fire V6 and had no interest in using it as it was "rough as a cob." I remember riding in cars with that engine back in the '70's and they really were rough at idle. I guess it made more sense for AMC to use their own inline sixes which were solid engines (and much smoother.)
Kaiser Jeep had also been buying Buick 350 V8s and putting them in Jeep Wagoneers and pickups for a couple of years. This no longer made sense for AMC either since they had a perfectly good V8 design of their own. Ironically, the V8 that was used in Wagoneers from around '65-'67 before the Buick 350 was an AMC-sourced 327 V8 (no relation to the Chevy 327.)
Great history on the Buick V6! Regarding the AMC buyout of Kaiser Jeep around 1970: I read recently that a head AMC engineer at the time critiqued the Buick-then-Kaiser odd fire V6 and had no interest in using it as it was "rough as a cob." I remember riding in cars with that engine back in the '70's and they really were rough at idle. I guess it made more sense for AMC to use their own inline sixes which were solid engines (and much smoother.)
Kaiser Jeep had also been buying Buick 350 V8s and putting them in Jeep Wagoneers and pickups for a couple of years. This no longer made sense for AMC either since they had a perfectly good V8 design of their own. Ironically, the V8 that was used in Wagoneers from around '65-'67 before the Buick 350 was an AMC-sourced 327 V8 (no relation to the Chevy 327.)
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You are right, as usual, Greg. The front of the cabinet has that distinctive bulge like old Hotpoints.
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I've never heard of these but what a neat looking console! I'd love to see a real photo. Thanks for posting!
I've never heard of these but what a neat looking console! I'd love to see a real photo. Thanks for posting!
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Someone mentioned the Matador Barcelona?
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Another problem AMC cars had was with the front end trunion. They would sag after awhile and were pretty costly to fix.
Ah, another AMC car that was around, the Rambler Rebel. There was one down the street from us. I think it was a 67'. The people who owned it had it for a long time. I think they were happy with it.
Ah, another AMC car that was around, the Rambler Rebel. There was one down the street from us. I think it was a 67'. The people who owned it had it for a long time. I think they were happy with it.
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That most of these great department stores are now part of the ubitquous Macy's chain now...
That most of these great department stores are now part of the ubitquous Macy's chain now...
I had an AMC air conditioner many years ago. It was a 5,000 BTU unit in a small cabinet made to fit casement windows. It was quiet and powerful for the size. The data plate read AIMCEE....
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