Another KitchenAid ''what's the year'' question

[bogo]

Seller says it's in very very good condition. Probably a early '90s whirlpool?

thanks

View attachment bogo++12-3-2012-20-08-46.jpg

 

[appnut]

that's a KUDS23.  Early to mid 1990s.  The very last of the KAs before they killed it with the porcelain tub and tacking like a Series 18-22 and went with the whirlpool clone.

 

[bogo]

Thanks for the answer. Do you think 100$ is ok for this model if in good shape?

 

[appnut]

definte "good shape"

If it's almost perfect yes.  Why is it being sold?

 

[bogo]

Good question. I'll take a look at it if close enough.

 

[stevet]

Correct me...

if I am wrong, but the control panel indicates "rinsed only" on the right side of the light package..and with the 8 buttons, it would be a 22 series Superba in the Architect series.

The 23 series had the "please wait" designation on the last light and the same cycles.
The 22 had the Hobart pump and the 23 had the Whilpool PowerClean Module pump.

Not too many years difference in age between the two of them. Seeing it will tell the tale

 

[bogo]

Looks like the one on this thread: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?24558

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?24558

 

[toploader55]

Oh Jeeeeeez Steve...

Details, Details, DETAILS !!!!!!!

You're the Best !!! LOL !

That's why You're Dr stevet.

 

[bogo]

The rinse only button is on the horizontal side on the 22 isin't it?

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>The rinse only button is on the horizontal side on the 22 isin't it?</blockquote> Not on an Architect Series model (with the tall control panel to match cabinet drawer fronts).

 

[bogo]

So it would be the one with the annoying whine from the motor as we can read in this thread: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?28458

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?28458

 

[appnut]

sorry Steve

I didn't bother to blow up the image, but still, might not then have been able to see it was a rinse only light and not please wait.

 

[combo52]

KD 23

The DW in question is a 23 machine and neither the 22 or the 23s made an annoying winning sound.

 

[rp2813]

Hey John,

It's my understanding that the ISE Classic Supreme I have (model CLSUP-5) is a series 22 clone.  Single final rinse.  It makes that notorious whine.  Sometimes it's rhythmic, other times it's constant.  It would otherwise be silent except for the sound of water movement if not for that damned whine.

 

[bogo]

The owner says it's a KUDA220t

http://shared.whirlpoolcorp.com/assets/pdfs/literature/Use and Care Guide - 4171657.pdf

 

[bogo]

According to this video description it's from 1993. I think I'm going to get it soon.

 

[rp2813]

A great machine if you don't mind the Architect look but

Examine it carefully.  For $100 it needs to be exceptional.  If the seller doesn't realize how old it is, they might come down in price after you advise them.

 

[bogo]

Yes I will see. She says she's the only owner. She preferred to wash dishes by hand and it's almost unused.

 

[bogo]

Does it have the PowerClean Module pump or the Hobart pump?

 

[bogo]

Since they explain in the manual how to clean the filter it must be a Hobart. Steve was right thinking that was 22 model.

 

[appnut]

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[bogo]

Don't know why I thought it was a KUDA22 in the youtube video I posted above. Time to upgrade my account here to be able to edit my posts.

 

[rp2813]

Hobart

The 22 series would have the Hobart design pump. By the time those machines were being produced Whirlpool did own KA, but didn't switch from Hobart's type of pump to the Power Clean Module until the 23 series.

 

[stevet]

Thank You!

Thank you.

 

[jetcone]

So Stevet

looking at that 22 manual it looks like the hydrosweep would be interchangeable into my 20 if I got the newer style filter screen without the top??

 

[bogo]

Hmmm, not much part available for this model. I'm wondering if it's possible that the pump seal ring has dried out if the machine wasn't use for years?

http://www.searspartsdirect.com/par...Model-KUDA220TWH3/0593/0130000/O2004193/00005

 

[rp2813]

It's possible.  The best way to find out is to dump some really hot water into the sump area and let it sit there a while in order to soften up the seal, then give the machine a run.  These were well-built machines with quality components so if there's a slight leak, it may "take up" with just a bit of use.

 

It's a chance you take when you buy an older machine, and I'd suggest using the possibility of a dried up seal as a bargaining tool for a lower price.

 

[stevet]

HYDROSWEEP SWITCHAROO

Jon, in reference to your observation about using the 22 washarm in your 20, they are not interchangeable even if you were able to get the top filter/support assembly. The pumps are only remotely similar and while you would get water to pump thru the arms with the 22 support, you would not have the function of the soil collection chamber because the drain impellers and drain systems are different on the two machines. The 20 has the drain solenoid and no reversing motor and the 21-22 drain impeller which was a disposer plate pumps the ground up soils up into the chamber to store and when the motor reverses, the chamber is flushed clean by the jets under the washarm and the soil is washed down the drain.

There is really no advantage to using one arm over the other as the nozzle placement is the same so the washing action would be the same as well.

 

[applianceguy47]

My parents have a Superba 22 that needs new racks.

Where is the best place to get those?

and how much should one expect to pay?

 

[bogo]

ok I bought it for 80$

I haven't installed it yet. It's visually in good condition. Little rust appearing on the upper rack sides, I will put some vinyl paint soon. I remove the wash arm to see the fine filter and I found that one plastic bushing and a brass ring is loose. Is there a way to secure it?