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I'm the only user of my waterbed so I can adjust the temperature to my liking. Warm in the winter and cool in the summer. That's one of the positive things. Downside is that you can't move it without having to empty it. And I want an adjustable bed, so I can sit more upright than possible with pillows. Also my electrical meter is spinning in winter because part of my bedroom is over the outside stairs.
 
Have a water bed in one house and a Sealy Posturepedic mattress in the other. Love the water bed have had it for many years. Replaced the mattress about 10 years ago with a motion less one. Great bed but you cannot drain all the water out of it when moving. All the fiber in it holds onto a lot of water. Next move and it will be tossed. Heater would go out of control sometimes and get real hot or real cold. Bought a king size heated mattress pad which works great. Just turn it on 30 minutes before bed and nice and warm. Cut down on electric usage not keeping it warm 24/7. The Sealy is a really good mattress also. We sleep great on both beds. It is a double sided mattress and king size which makes for interesting turn over. Don't really find that much of a difference now sleeping on either bed.

Jon
 
I've been complaining about our mattress for a few years. Bought it in a hurry after the great deluge came through the roof in 2008 from BJ's.

After hearing the ad for the "Xtra Incredible" deal that Jordan's Furniture had on a local radio station enough times, I figured I'd check it out. They do this promo every year where they contract w/ Beautyrest for X0,000 mattress sets at a deal price. Still individual coiled, 10-year non-pro-rated anti-sag warranty, and firm. 800 15.5ga steel springs. This year's offering was not quite as firm as last year's, but the salesman said (harrumph) last year's were way too firm and they got too many complaints. Tried it in the store, which is almost a waste of time, and bought it. It was delivered last Sunday and we've had 10 nights on it so far. We're both happy with it. It's nice and firm but not hard. No pillow-top, but cushioned. One-sided, but we'll turn it. I can't believe how much the other one had sagged after only about 7 years!

Time will tell.

Oh, the price was $399 for the set (the foundation isn't really anything special that I could see) and they charged 6% for delivery.

Good luck!

Chuck
 
Sleep Number bed - not for me!

 

 

I have stopped in Sleep-number stores a couple of different times to try them out and get the "full demo".   Sure it's a nice idea and they may have improved them slightly in last 10 years, but honestly I would NEVER buy a sleep number bed because they are simply glorified, over-priced air mattresses!

 

Wal-mart.   I've only gone in wal-mart 15 or 20 times since they appeared in my area all those years ago, but as a rule I refuse to shop there on principle.   Aside from that, I would NEVER buy anything major like a mattress from wally-mart!

 

In the master bedroom I have a 2 sided, pillow-top Cal-King that's 16 years old.  Yes the pillow top makes it very comfy.   I wanted "extra firm" and the salesman claimed it was, but I'm convinced he lied just to get the sale.   It's had body-sag spots for a few years now (or maybe it's just the "pillow" that has compressed??).   I believe it's a Simmons Beauty-Rest, but I'm not 100% sure on that.   I will either flip or rotate it every month or so.

 

There's a queen size bed in the guest room that I special ordered "extra firm" probably 30 years ago.   My thought then was I didn't want a "saggy mattress" after a short time like my old bed was.   Granted it was relegated to "guest room duty" when the Cal-king moved in, but to this day it still has NO body-sag spots and feels as firm as it did on day one.   I much prefer the firmness of this mattress and I sleep better on it (my back is happier too), but I like the extra space to spread out the Cal-King provides.

 

Now a quick story about a really "firm" bed.   During one of our annual trips to Hong Kong, my ex and I would stay with his oldest brother who lived there.   This particular visit they had a 24" high, Japanese style wooden platform bed with only a thin, but VERY firm foam mattress on it (no box spring).   When I first laid on it I said "Wow this is really firm" but figured I'd sleep great.  Boy, I couldn't have been more wrong!   I never got comfortable, tossed and turned all night and was exhausted the next morning.   It was like trying to sleep on thick a piece of plywood!   I moved to the floor on a futon mattress the next night and slept much better!      

 

Kevin

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An update, I checked the mattresses and....


The Cal-King in the master is a Simmons Beautyrest and even says "American extra firm" on the label.   Must be for those "soft Americans" LOL

The Queen bed in the guest room is "Sealy Posturepedic Classic 300".... if anyone cares.  
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It seems that the manufacturers definition of firm, soft, plush etc isn't the reality. In fact the CR report on this Sealy Hybrid they claim is firm.. CR rates it soft.  I found it sort of in between.   It's highly subjective I guess.  

 

I remember there being those Chinese mattresses for sale at a lot of stores in Vancouver with its huge Asian population.. They are literally about 1/4 inch if that of foam on a plywood base with a fabric covering.. 
 
Sleep Number Story..... Yeah I'd pass

So I have slept in Hotels on Sleep Number beds

I was in Denver over the 4th a few years ago visiting a close friend and stayed at a Red Lion near his parents apartment in Aurora (had to be close by as mom needed help off and on)... The hotel put me in a room with a nice King size Sleep number bed.... i found it sorta uncomfortable but didn't know why the first night or two...........

Third night, we went out and had a few drinks and we decided to crash at my hotel so we could have some "alone" time... We are ready for sleep and enjoying the buzz and a fun night and notice my part of the bed had deflated a bit.. Filled it up and drifted off..... About 330 to 4 am, i get awoken by a frantic/confused shaking and im sunk all the way down into the mattress... neither of us was sure what happened as we both where out of it... Some how I reinflated the bed and drifted back off.. About 645, i woke up in pain... This time i got up and got my self awake enough to notice, the bed was deflated and I was laying on the middle foam piece and the 3" of foam that covers the air chamber...

I started laughing, waking my friend up... We quickly broke into laughter even more and i then decided we either needed a new mattress or a new room... After being reminded to get dressed (mind you im on 4.5 to 5 hours sleep) i wanderd downstairs and explained our plight.. I was quickly put in a nicer room and comp'd 2 nights stay...... After all was settled and later that evening, the manager called and asked if i was ok and apologized again.. I expressed concern that I (or we) had broken said bed and she started laughing and told me no, that the sleep numbers where common to do this in there hotel and they where being thrown out one by one as they broke..

Last year on the way to SD I experianced the same phenominon in another hotel in Sacremnto on another sleep number bed...

I'd tottaly forgotten about that night until my friend reminded me about the 4th of July i broke the bed
 
Here is my Mattress

I found it on amazon.... I paid about the same delivered from a local mattress store

BTW this is one of the most interesting threads i've read

My grandfather sleeps on a very lumpy 1984 Simmons Beauty Rest.... He will die in it as he says... Hes 90

I couldn't imagine keeping a mattress more than 12 years tops... No way!

 
I bought a sleep number back around 1999 or 2000 and liked it pretty well, but I have a problem with my right hip and that's the side I like to sleep on.  I tried toppers but it just wasn't enough, so I bought a memory foam mattress on ebay.  It was like sleeping on a cloud for a while, but the hip problem surfaced again.  I had given my sleep number bed to my parents and they still have it and like it.  I'd love to have a new top of the line sleep number bed, but they are $7000. 

I have to sleep in a completely dark room in the daytime now anyway, so I just ordered the parts and built a waterbed like I had in my teens.  We still have the king sized memory foam bed in our master bedroom and I sleep on it some, but when I work I sleep on my waterbed.  There are NO pressure points on a waterbed.
 
One of the things I really like about Autowasher.org...you need only ask for advice on practically anything and you get tons of valuable first-hand information. Members seem to know something about everything.
 
Our members have a lot of experience with consumer products. It's a nice feature to have.

We are on our second Stearns & Foster mattress. This one we purchased in 1987. Still relatively lump/depression free. We'll probably end up with another S&F. When we buy a new bed it takes us about 10 days to "get used" to the new bed before we are comfortable. After that it's smooth sailing.
 
It's not just experience which is of value. There is also strong crtiical value (critical as in critique, not necessarily as in "this is terrible!"), and strong expectations for quality.
 
I managed to find a deal this morning at a local liquidators who was having a sale although they had no queen size left it'll be 2 weeks to delivery.  It's a Kingsdown hybrid (memory foam / pocket coil) for $599 incl delivery. It seemed very much like the construction of the $1300 Sealy hybrid.   Fortunately they had a display set up and I laid on it for 15 minuts.. Only time will tell now.  It was a toss up between that and a Basset something or other which felt more plush y , just a bit too plush.. I could see it sagging or getting the big divet in a year or so.   Fingers crossed... 
 
I hope you like your Kingsdown

<span style="font-family: 'courier new', courier;">I had never heard of this brand until I started my research. The reviews were very mixed but the store owner convinced me they have sold hundreds (maybe thousands I don't really know) of these and has had great success. The store has their own reviews and those were all favorable.  I know it was a leap of faith because the store could tell us anything they want but this store is a well known very reputable company here in Arkansas.  They have been around for many, many years.  I liked that I could contribute to our local economy and from what I can tell this bed was manufactured in North Carolina.  The store has a 30 day no questions asked return policy so I figured I had little to loose. </span>

<span style="font-family: 'courier new', courier;">We are happy so far.  Besides my other half said if I don't pick one soon he will loose his mind.  </span>
 
I would prefer having an old-fashioned mattress, but our twisting staircase prohibits getting anything larger than a queen mattress (can't even get a queen box spring up it--they do make "split queen" box springs should you have the need). We got the Novaform from Costco several years ago (in a box)...the boxed mattresses seem to be the wave of the future...Casper, Leesa, etc. Saw an article recently stating that the proliferation of mattress stores is a factor that they're cheap to put up, hold no stock and are cheap to run. Anyway, the foam mattress is OK for us (we use it on an Ikea box spring). It's very isolating (actually its so isolating it's tough get in/out or to have sex on it...somehow that works better in a hotel room :) ). and doesn't feel like it's broken down too badly. For the limitations our house put on things, it's fine. The Sleep Number--my parents got one, and it's also good in upstairs/tight configurations, and breaks down easily for moving--perhaps a good special-purpose mattress. Interesting they don't sell in Canada, though.
 
New Mattress

Our new Costco 14" thick KS,  mattress comes compressed in a big heavy box slightly smaller than a DW, this was great because our old KSM got bent slightly getting it up stairs and around the corner. Best of all there is no reason for a box spring with a 14" mattress.
 
 

When I sold my Sleep Number, I sold in pieces on Ebay.  

If you're in Canada, or where ever, and you already and have a box spring and frame, you can look to buy the pieces.  

 

You'd need:  the mattress shell with top, air chamber, pump, and foam sides (if not included with the shell).  

 

I had the lower end model, as I like firm mattress.  I also had the basic air pump which is nothing more than a pump with a hand held on/off switch.   The whole "sleep number" thing is catchy term, but for your own bed, you kind of want it the same firmness all the time.  So, once I set up the bed, I'd just unplug and slide all the controls under the bed because I knew I won't be using them.  

 

I tried some type of memory foam mattress, in a hotel I was staying at.  It was horrible.  The longer I slept on it, the worse I felt.  You'd sink in so much, you didn't need a pillow.  My back ACHED during the day after using it.   Was awful.

 

An air mattress that leaks air, regardless of what brand, is broken and should not be slept on.  Since selling my air Sleep number, I've experimented with several air mattresses and longevity is definitely an issue. Some lasted a month (Kmart) and took back 4 times basically at the end of each month.  My most recent was nice with easy use pump that lasted a year and half (Kohls).  Then, when staying at a hotel (I always bring my own linens and mattress) I was pumping it up and heard the hiss.  :-(

 

Also, the cheaper air mattress are made with questionable poly-vinyl materials that off-gas and can irritate one's eyes and nose (the cheapest one was the worst).

Sleep number beds have an air bladder made from rubber witch is more durable (TODD, what were you doing in the Hotel?) and they don't lose air over time, even with MOST activities.  In all the time I had the Sleep number, it never leaked.

 

A few things to keep in mind:

You really can't give a honest opinion about a mattress until you've slept on it for at least 5 days.  If you're going from a terrible saggy spring mattress to anything new, you won't be used to it, and your opinion is likely to be negative.   Remember, the question isn't "Is this mattress like the one you have NOW?, the question is "Does this mattress make you feel good when laying down?"  

 

One reason I won't do a spring mattress is they are designed to fail and wear out.  The force of gravity will slowly compress the metal springs.  So you know it will disappoint, but it won't always be obvious.   I've gone the route, back in the 80s, when getting my first mattress set from JCPenny. It was fine the first 6 months, but then just got worse.  If you start over with a new set, same thing.  Do you see the pattern here and how it's designed to hit YOUR pocket book?

 

Third, starting in the early 2000s, the spring mattress industry really ramped up advertising with a number of gimmicks.  Frankly, when ever there is a product that is designed to need replacement, corporatists/investors will go all out to exploit it.  And they did.   Remember the talking sheep, and the pillow tops requiring special deep sided fitted sheets....... and the ever LARGER Price tags.  

 

I've also seen the attempts made by these corporatist groups to try and cut into the air mattress beds, and other mattresses types, that won't need replacement.  All types of ridiculous false claims.  Typical republican corruption trying to keep people hooked on bad products.  Don't fall for it.

 

Fourth, Sleep Number beds do  not have materials or space where bed bugs can nest.  The box springs are open on the bottom and all plastic, and the mattress is a sealed air chamber that is impenetrable. Unlike those old spring mattresses that have a closed, wooden box spring and a spring mattress that has so much cavity space between the coils..... you could hide money in them.(?)  (And people have)

 

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