Another new member here....

[Redneck]

Hi Everyone! I'm glad I stumbled across this site. You all seem very knowledgable. I have had a few new appliances, mostly Kenmore, and I have done my share of repairs to them.

I just got a new model 16022 dishwasher, and except for a couple of things, could not be happier with it. I see from the posts that the drying is going to be mediocre for the coffee mugs, etc...I can live with that. However, the thing is not that quiet. I thought that it would be 'whisper' quiet, but it seems no quieter than the ten year old hunk-o-junk that it replaced. The other issue is, he door seems very flimsy; I can take each top corner and deflect it about an inch each way. Anyone have experience with these items?

 

[spiraclean]

Welcome to Applianceville

Hi Redneck,
Welcome to Applianceville.
I look forward to reading your postings, you will have a great time on this wonderfull site.

All the best.
Hugh

 

[tolivac]

Yes-I noticed the "flimsy" doors on newer dishwashers as well-and even pointed them out to some appliance salesmen!!-they were shocked!!and agreed the vintage machines were better.I replaced my flimsy door new KA dishwasher with an older hobart KA machine-its built like a tank in comparison!-won't go back to the newer one.With the prices they are charging for these "premium" quality machines--the metal should be heavier guage.You CAN'T deflect the door on the older KA machine.Just wonder what would happen to the newer ones if a child sat or stood on the door.An appliance tech around here mentioned MANY of the flimsy doors had to be replaced when the child sat or stood on them-but not with the heavier gauge older ones.The new machine I have sits in the kitchen corner for "emerg spare" duty after I change its timer board -blown from lightening AGAIN---2nd one.

 

[Designgeek]

Everything is made lighter because usually it's shipped internationally these days, and shipping costs are a more serious issue than the cost of raw materials.

I don't know of any appliances being made these days that you can let your kids climb on. Nor should one use them that way in the first place due to the potential for injuries.

Treat 'em all carefully and they should last.

 

[tolivac]

Little kids Don't Know about climbing on doors-an adult has to tell them-and the adults aren't always there when the kid does it.the owner of the machine finds out AFTER the act.-when the dishwasher leaks from the bent door.And its just the point-If people are paying GOOD money for an appliance-it should be better made than whats out there now.A question-what good is it to ship an American market appliance_wired for US 120 V to a foreign market that uses 220V?

 

[westytoploader]

I never climbed on the dishwasher door when I was little...although I caught my sister doing it a few times!

When the plastic Hotpoint was on its last days, I wanted to jump hard on the door!! LOL

 

[tolivac]

I was taught not to-but the tech that I know of here-seems like some folks don't teach their kids about climbing on the dishwasher doors.Makes money for him in service calls!!I would think-yes the child standing or sitting on the doors is abuse-but kids are kids and will do it-even in some cases if the parents tells them not to.I think a machine should withstand this.Just a note-the maker of ranges and ovens for commercial-institutional use even rates the doors for their machines to stand on without damage.Cooks use the door as a step while cleaning the range-hopefully after it and the doors have cooled.I wouldn't weant to stand on the oven door while it was still hot!!

 

[gansky1]

Sorry, but kids will climb on anything all on their own - and in the blink of an eye too, it's in their exploring nature. While it's true, parents should be watching and instructing their children the do's and don'ts at all times, that seems to be mostly a theory held by those without children. Ask any parent, you'll get the same answer.

 

[tolivac]

Gansky1-I can agree with you-I don't have children in my household-but yes they do like to climb on things to explore their sorroundings or just for the thrill of getting to an adults "level"-to try to see things from a grownups perspective.From watching other peoples kids-they are almost like little "riggers"they will climb on anything.And they are quick-you tell them not to do something-but they are doing something elese you didn't want them to do!I can realize you can't watch 'em every moment.You just have to "child-proof" the area as much as you can.-And keep the dishwasher closed--the door on them does make a convenient "step" for a child.Its just the right height.

 

[gansky1]

Exactly - I had no idea how fast kids can be, one minute everything is fine, the next, (my nephew) had climbed up the outside of the stair railing to the 2nd floor - open to below. Heart attack for my poor sister, grandma just says "get down, now" and it's all over.

Childproofing - I think some people carry this a bit too far, there does have to be a balance between teaching/learning what "no" means, watching the kid and taking away every possible hazzard so the kid never learns that the stove is actually hot (only one example).

Sorry, didn't meant to hijack this thread! We now return you to our regularly scheduled program...and welcome to the club Redneck!

 

[foraloysius]

Welcome Redneck! As you see we talk about almost everything in this club. Newer dishwasher doors seem indeed more flexible, the same here in Europe, especially for the cheaper brands. It helps though to keep the door shut when it's not totally level. Installing appliances is not done like it used to be, so it helps preventing service calls. You can have a door that sticks just a little out to one side and still have no problems with it. I've seen it! No excuse though for flimsy appliances.

 

[toggleswitch]

See and in my case, we were trained VERY thorughly..all it took was one look.

You did not DARE touch:

The themmostat
The stove
Toys that were not yours, or a friend's that were offered to you.

Climb on an appliance? My life would have ended, on the spot.

and I agree, grandmas have a certain finesse...

 

[toggleswitch]

In those days the adults were the adults and the children knew their place...

My sister has three rug-rats from 11 y.o. down to 5 y.o.they do pull various non-sense with her.

When with me they dont DARE. I am very very loving and attentive and patient. But NO means NO. And I try to be consistent and even-tempered.

Usually I keep them from killing each other by having them help me it the kitchen. After making meatballs, which they loved, the sister freaks out that they had raw- chopped (minced) meat on their hands. Nothing a little soap and water and hand-sanitizer can't fix. But they recall the incident and mya be affected by it IMHO. Personally I would have stresses "wash you hands well" without the drama..

But then again I am not their mother so I zip my pie-hole!

OK diversion over.....

 

[whirlcool]

You are correct about DW doors. We bought a Maytag back in 93' and that thing was so heavy duty built that I swear and adult could probably stand on that door. That door must have weighed 30 lbs! And nothing we have ever had before cleaned as good as it did!
So after we moved in this house, we decided that we should replace the BOL Kenmore that was in here with a Maytag. Surprise, Surprise! The doors of the new Maytags (even three years ago) are just as flimsy as the rest.
So we put off the new DW and are still using the old Kenmore.
Welcome to the site, Redneck! You will enjoy the lively discussions we have here!

 

[Redneck]

Wow, there is definitely a 'world' view of the issues on this site....thanks to all for the advice. I did go back and look at the rest of the models, high and low, and they all had the same flexible door, plus the thing cleans anything I have thrown into it (and trust me, I have tried to find something it would not clean). So, it stays.