Anybody else completely fed up with the long wash times

[jetcone]

Ah

that I have never seen to be true:

 "Better get used to it or get some ole piece of s..t DW that doesn't clean very well."

 

[yogitunes]

this is not made to offend anyone.....but to observe a few things....

for a one or two person household....daily loads may only get run once in a while, maybe every other day.....and then comes the occasional holiday meal, which throws havoc into the mix.....

now, take a full house on a daily basis.....where everyday's meal seems like a holiday planning.....your views would change.....you will look for ways to adapt....

for me, usually I start lading the dishwasher with utensils and pans that I am cooking with, and start the machine before setting down to dinner.....by the time we are finished eating, clearing the table, and putting leftovers away.....the machine is done, unloaded, and ready for the next.....

for a holiday meal, I used to pull out the stored holiday dinnerware, and run it first thing in the morning so the table is set.....NOW, once they are cleaned, they get stored in Ziploc bags, clean and ready for the next holiday.....I got enough to do preparing the meal, I don't have time to do double work...

all I am saying is adapt and find ways to make your job easier, not harder....

work smarter, not harder

KISS....keep it simple stupid.......

we have all been there....thinking to ourselves, there has to be an easier way....

 

[jakeseacrest]

Yesterday I had a marathon cooking day. I did 2 loads of prep dishes using the One Hour wash and then flash dried them. Some but not all of the items needed towel drying. The last load was on Pots and Pans and that only ran for 2 hours. I was in and out of the kitchen all day so I wasn't that bothered. My previous Maytag could have cut the time in half but I'm adapting.

 

[tomturbomatic]

Just a word of caution

I have mentioned this before, but if you have gold or platinum trim on your china or crystal and put it in the dishwasher, do not towel it dry while it is hot. That is when the gold or platinum is most likely to be damaged because, on china, it goes on after the glaze and is softest when it is hot and that is when it is most easily rubbed away.

Multiple dishwashers can solve the problem.

 

[henene4]

Long cycles

We invented them.

The typical rating cycle on a EU washer takes 4h, the typical dry about 2 1/2 to 3h.

Dishwashers rating cycles are now at something between 3h and 4h usual.

But, then come my probably most loved invention in DW to date: Sensor cycles. Our Bosch is a good 90min workhorse on its sensor cycle. Usually its cutting mainwash time by up to 45min, giving me 3 or 4 fills (prewash or not depends) in 90 to 150 minutes. (Clever: If a prewash is needed, it just subtracts this time from the main wash. So basicly, it's only starting to heat after its surely eliminated the need for a prewash.)
Mieles sensor cycle is as said in a simmilar range.
Electrolux is even broader in that terms. Their manuals claim 40 to 180 minutes. My oldest brother has one, and 2h are usual for him.

 

[logixx]

A recent study by the University of Bonn showed that only 16% of Germans use the rating / Eco cycle on their washing machine. I ain't one of them.

 

[brisnat81]

The Miele for a normal load is 90-120 mins depending on soil level. 30mins of this is fan drying with the door auto opened.

If I press the turbo button the cycle takes 55-90 mins depending on soil and the door pops open at the end to flash dry.

I had a mark 8 dishlex from the early 80s in the kitchen for a few years, but with cold field it took hours to complete a cycle, unlike when it would've been new and hot fill. At 10l per fill and. 900w heating element to 60degc it took a life time. The 2000 watt element in the Miele can do that in under 10 mins.

On hot fill the Dishlex was a 60 min wash when connected to hot water

 

[richnz]

Miele dishwasher takes 2 hours 20 mins but it is quiet. I would rather have quiet and long than short and noisy.

Miele washing machine takes approximately 1 hour on the typical minimum iron program we use and the results are great and it is quiet too.

I would always choose long running times and silence over noise and quickness.

We also tend to walk away from the appliances once we start them.
We never hover in anticipation of hanging laundry or putting away dishes.

 

[appnut]

On cooking marathon days where I can do up to 3 loads, I've been known to sort into what can be done on a 30 or 60 minute wash; regular and then heaviest soil.  I've lived with this for almost 9 years and I've learned to adapt.  And my water and electricity consumption are lower and my clothes last longer.  And that's good on all levels. 

 

[mamapinky]

Exactly why I have a 21 year old Frigidair D/W...I have so much prep things to wash I'd go nuts if I had a slow D/W and I can't stand a messy kitchen expecially having open concept. I try to have most of the prep stuff washed and put away before we sit to table than afterwards its run a few times . I don't normally put pots and pans in this old D/W though.
And my washer is a Speed Queen Top Loader thats only a few months old, of course its fast, but I soak a lot of loads so that does increase wash time.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

 

[alr2903]

@ the Holidays...

..I make oven cooked things including the turkey in a dollar store tin foil pan and smaller ones for the sides. I double them up and use a cookie sheet under heavier things. It is nice to have a few small ones to send home left overs with guests. NTGOT, it is nice to do this if you take something to a bereaved family, no dishes for them to wash or return. Keep it easy and relax. Art

 

[tolivac]

My faithful KA18 dishwasher bit the dust-pump bad---Installed my WP KA and NOTHING-board in it fried from a storm-reason I put in that older KA.Now its washing dishes by hand until I decide to buy a new 3 hr "dish sprinkler" or continue doing by hand.I am single so I don't generate much dishes-I do like the convenience of a dishwasher-but don't want to wait 3 hrs.If so-just will wash by hand.Does anyone still make a basic,mechanical timer machine-perfect for my lightening prone area.I really don't care how noisey the thing is-just close the kitchen door while it runs.You know-now wished I still had the builders model Hotpoint that started all of this-it was noisey-but did the job-storms didn't bother it.

 

[laundromat]

cycle time

In my experiences with dirty dishes and/or dirty, laundry are many and my original expectations of cycle times was a meer half hour. After 1963, we had a Lady Kenmore gas washer dryer combination which ,from wash through dry,took anywhere from forty five to one hundred twenty minutes. So,longer cycles to me are of no dissatisfaction. Most people aren't there when the cycle is over and,if they are so concerned about cycle length, they need to read their use and care/ owners manial. Every frontoading washer I've seen or owned has a "quick cycle" on the program selector. They divide three rinses into a wash with two rinses and a final high speed spin out. It's actually three rinses with the dispenser flushing into the detergent cup on the first rinse, draining and refilling for the first rinse, draining,spinning and refilling dispensing the,fabric softener. Then the drain and final spin. All in a meer eighteen minutes.
My Kenmore convertible is made by Whirlpool and has a sani cycle for pots and pans. It takes a good 90 minutes to two hours but, we run it at night and never hear it. No pre rinsing, random loading and NEVER having to rewash anything.Never! It's a 99' model. I run it once a month with a cup of Spray-9 and run it through pots and pans empty. That really gets the goo and cleans the entire inside. Makes, the spray arm holes cleaned out too.

 

[askolover]

KDI 23

only takes one hour...start to end of drying!  And it scrubbed all that burned on turkey juice without any intervention from me!

 

[turquoisedude]

Multiple dishwashers can solve the problem

You know, even Hubby is starting to agree with me on that... LOL Of course, we're using vintage dishwashers and although I'm having some issues with really heavy soils in the late-80s Maytag in St-Liboire, the overall results are good and cycle times on that machine are a maximum of an hour and 15 minutes!

The older KitchenAids I use (mostly the '62 KDS54 these days) are even faster and do a darn fine cleaning job in general too!

 

[mark_wpduet]

I don't feel like I've really had to adapt

or maybe I did some with my Duet, but it didn't take long before I freaking loved it and realized even though it took a little longer, I was doing less loads of laundry.......As for my dishwasher that's relatively new (bought last summer) and it's a Maytag with stainless interior - the cycle I always use is auto clean/hi temp/tough scrub/air dry, it takes the same amount of time as my Whirlpool did on pots/pans, about 90 to 100 min's.

In fact, I'm trying to remember dishwashers that I've grown up with only running and HOUR, and I can't! We had a GE in the 70s/80s, my grandma had a mid 80s Whirlpool, then I lived with a mid 90s Kenmore in a house that I rented, then there was another house I rented that had a Magic Chef dishwasher that I HATED. I don't remember ANY of them only running an hour. It always felt like 90 min's to me (give or take). I've never used a KitchenAid dishwasher though.

 

[mrsalvo]

I certainly can relate on the long wash times for the dishwasher. I have a new KA and the heavy soil cycle is 210 min.s long. The ProClean cycle is over 2 hours long. We are a 2 person household, and I'm finding myself washing by hand on days that I just want to be done and out of the kitchen. If one of us gets sick, then we'll use it more often.

 

[launderess]

We've been down this path before

We know the reasons why laundry and dish washing times have increased for automatic machines; water/energy use has been lowered/restricted down to obscene levels.

We also know the four (or five depending upon how you count them) factors for good cleaning performance in a dishwasher or washing machine. When one is lowered (in this case water usage) one or more of the others must increase to compensate.

My vintage Mobile Maid would drive tree huggers up the wall with it's five or more changes of hot water *and* deep fills at that. But again it can complete a full cycle with the most grimy dishes in <50 minutes (give or take).

Since childhood we were taught never to leave the house with any appliance running. Only thing that escaped that rule was the electric clocks. We also rarely went to bed with anything on either.

 

[foraloysius]

"We are a 2 person household, and I'm finding myself washing by hand on days that I just want to be done and out of the kitchen."

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Wouldn't you be quicker out of the kitchen if you used the dishwasher instead of washing by hand?

 

[appnut]

Cycle times in new Kenmore Elite don't bother me.  1-2 person household.  I unload it in the morning or early in the day sometime.  When it's just me, or when I have extremely heavy soil, I get in and out of the kitchen fast.  I don't rinse anything, just scape and accumulate a load as it builds.  Then start it at night and go to bed.  Minimal time.  Done and out.  I refuse and detest to wash anything by hand.  Had a bunch of prep stuff and pots building in the sink and waited for dishwasher to finish.  Once I could unload it, I had all the dirty dishes loaded in less than 5 minutes and sink scrubbed out.  I'm also finding the 1-hour cycle to be quite effective with more things than I thought.  Only once have I pulled a mixing bowl that kneaded bread dough and sat for a day to have to go back in.  I use cycles accordingly.  People also know do not wash anything by hand.  Let it accumulate in the sink until the dishwasher is finished.  Because I won't use anything that isn't run through the dishwasher.  And I'll pull it out of the cabinet if they dare do wash something by hand.