Anybody else completely fed up with the long wash times
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dartman
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As far as clothes washers...
We're not too upset about it as our newer one holds so much more, cleans better, and saves money on the water bill, plus its way more quiet then the old DD Whirlpool we had.
Our dishwasher is a cheap Kenmore that was new and included as part of the kitchen stuff. Kinda loud but washes well and doesn't take any more time then the older Whirlpools I used before.
Of course it was installed over 3 years ago so things might have changed since then.
We're not too upset about it as our newer one holds so much more, cleans better, and saves money on the water bill, plus its way more quiet then the old DD Whirlpool we had.
Our dishwasher is a cheap Kenmore that was new and included as part of the kitchen stuff. Kinda loud but washes well and doesn't take any more time then the older Whirlpools I used before.
Of course it was installed over 3 years ago so things might have changed since then.
I've adjusted to it. Mine is still new, but finding the 1-hour wash quite effective for manyu things.
lordkenmore
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I do hate the long cycle times with the dishwasher here. The dishwasher here is me, and there are times when even a 1 minute wash time for a single item are annoying. LOL
But, yes, I think long cycle times could be annoying. With a dishwasher, what could be annoying isn't so much the fact it's running for 7 hours straight, it's the fact that while it's running it's tied up. I don't cook for others these days. (Partly because I have no dishwasher, and am lazy when it comes to dishes. But there are a multitude of other reasons, too.) But it seems like fast cycle times are a good thing if one is doing a lot of cooking and preparation for one of those elegant candlelight suppers. Or even a standard Thanksgiving.
But, yes, I think long cycle times could be annoying. With a dishwasher, what could be annoying isn't so much the fact it's running for 7 hours straight, it's the fact that while it's running it's tied up. I don't cook for others these days. (Partly because I have no dishwasher, and am lazy when it comes to dishes. But there are a multitude of other reasons, too.) But it seems like fast cycle times are a good thing if one is doing a lot of cooking and preparation for one of those elegant candlelight suppers. Or even a standard Thanksgiving.
well, if it was a HE washer.....in a way, you should expect longer wash times, most machines hold 3 to 4 times the amount of clothing a regular TLer would hold, so you have to multiply by that number......normally a TLer would take about 35 minutes....now your talking 90 or so minutes.....figure that in to how long it would take to wash 3 loads in a regular TL machine....
with a dishwasher, granted you can't pack three times the amount of dishes versus any other machine out there......
you sort of have a few options.....
get used to it.....
get a different machine, more or less vintage.....
or stat the machine at night while your sleeping, and wake to clean dishes.....
or as mentioned, wash them all by hand......
with a dishwasher, granted you can't pack three times the amount of dishes versus any other machine out there......
you sort of have a few options.....
get used to it.....
get a different machine, more or less vintage.....
or stat the machine at night while your sleeping, and wake to clean dishes.....
or as mentioned, wash them all by hand......
My Miele takes 2 hours and 25 minutes for the Automatic cycle. I have no problem with that, I often turn it on after dinner and forget about it. If I think of it, I open it when it's done.
If I want, I could use the Turbo function, which reduces the Automatic cycle by about an hour. And if I would open it straight after the last rinse for a flash dry, that would reduce the time to around an hour. But although I have this option I hardly ever use it.
If I want, I could use the Turbo function, which reduces the Automatic cycle by about an hour. And if I would open it straight after the last rinse for a flash dry, that would reduce the time to around an hour. But although I have this option I hardly ever use it.
lordkenmore
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The larger washer does more laundry at once argument
has a point.
Although this does assume that one does have enough clothes and linens to be able to run full loads.
I am single, and live alone. So it takes longer to accumulate dirty laundry. And I really don't want to have too large a collection of clothes and linens. And for some things it might be argued the "sooner it's washed, the better, so that it will be more sure to come perfectly clean."
The best washer for me, ever, was standard capacity 1960s Kemmore. For my regular loads, its size was, as Goldilocks would say, "Just right."
has a point.
Although this does assume that one does have enough clothes and linens to be able to run full loads.
I am single, and live alone. So it takes longer to accumulate dirty laundry. And I really don't want to have too large a collection of clothes and linens. And for some things it might be argued the "sooner it's washed, the better, so that it will be more sure to come perfectly clean."
The best washer for me, ever, was standard capacity 1960s Kemmore. For my regular loads, its size was, as Goldilocks would say, "Just right."
It puzzles me that our Westinghouse front loaders got clothes clean and rinsed with a 10 minute wash and a cycle that lasted about 30 minutes. The friends where I had my 1954 Duomatic in 1969 thought that it washed clothes cleaner, with a 10 minute maximum wash cycle, than their GE top loader. I wonder if it was the deeper wash pool of these machines compared to new machines. I do not know how people get by with just one of these new washers.
dustin92
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Yes, it is an issue for any gathering or large meal. We're having Thanksgiving with family (at their house) and I'm going in the morning to help cook the meal. They have a new LG that takes 2 1/2 hours for the normal cycle, no options selected. The dishes may or may not come out clean. Pots/pans with all options is up around 3 1/2- 4 hours. So much for washing prep dishes before dinner! We are having friends over on friday for Thanksgiving dinner, and we have a 1997 Maytag Jetclean- takes around an hour on the normal cycle with Sanitize and high temp wash selected (we never use heated dry) I will wash prep dishes before dinner, and the dishwasher will be ready for dinner dishes when it's time. If I need anything quick, it has a quick wash that is around 20 minutes but doesn't heat the water. The LG mentioned above has a quick wash but I think it's nearly an hour, and with the way it cleans on normal, the dishes would probably come out looking worse than they went in.
My dishwasher is 12+ years old, the longest cycle is only 2 hrs 12 mins ... but no, it doesn't cause me any conniptions. Normal/Eco is 1 hr 28 mins. Fast/Eco is 38 mins but I never use it.
whirlcool
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Our 2008 Maytag takes 86 minutes to wash a load if just the standard options are selected. But add extended wash time, extra heating of the wash water or sanitizing rinses and the time per load jumps to 2:15. But it does clean very well. We only use the 86 minute wash for things that aren't really that dirty or messy.
The common load of laundry is often at half the machine's rated capacity.
Our Miele runs a full Cotton's 60ºC (HOT) cycle in about 2:14 with the "Water Plus" (Higher level + Extra Rinse) engaged. This is subject to some alteration based on the load size.
If you're only washing a half load - you can use the Miele's Automatic Plus cycle that clocks in at 1:30 (with a 5.5KG max. load, so more 75% loading, and WARM setting max) or Minimum Iron, holding 3.5KG of clothing for a max of 1:24 washing.
Times quoted are without Pre-Wash.
The DishDrawer quotes a time of 2hrs for Heavy/Heavy-Eco. In practice, the times are 10-20minutes shorter as this is heating time, from what I can tell.
If you shut the machine off at the start of drying, the cycles top out up to half an hour less.
Fast cycles (49 minutes) generally work well enough on daily loads, but the lower temperatures prevent the filter from staying clean.
Some machines are better optimized for lower-water usage, so they work quicker. Others aren't and need positively forever to accomplish nothing.
Our Miele runs a full Cotton's 60ºC (HOT) cycle in about 2:14 with the "Water Plus" (Higher level + Extra Rinse) engaged. This is subject to some alteration based on the load size.
If you're only washing a half load - you can use the Miele's Automatic Plus cycle that clocks in at 1:30 (with a 5.5KG max. load, so more 75% loading, and WARM setting max) or Minimum Iron, holding 3.5KG of clothing for a max of 1:24 washing.
Times quoted are without Pre-Wash.
The DishDrawer quotes a time of 2hrs for Heavy/Heavy-Eco. In practice, the times are 10-20minutes shorter as this is heating time, from what I can tell.
If you shut the machine off at the start of drying, the cycles top out up to half an hour less.
Fast cycles (49 minutes) generally work well enough on daily loads, but the lower temperatures prevent the filter from staying clean.
Some machines are better optimized for lower-water usage, so they work quicker. Others aren't and need positively forever to accomplish nothing.
That's problem though, especially with Tgiving coming up and a very large family gathering, that GD GE Dishwasher is almost WORTHLESS because we can't prewash anything or have to plan around the washtimes. Half the time, we have to pull the pan/pans we want to use out of it and hand wash because the damn thing is still working on the load from earlier in the day. It's freaking insane. The 1980's Kenmore it replaced (bearings were too far gone) did a load in little over an hour.
Sorry guys, just very frustrated.
Sorry guys, just very frustrated.
Don't disturb Me Time--list'nin' to Pat!
It's usually my clothes washer's Spin Cycle at the very end that drags me down--probably was even late for work, just to move towels to the dryer that I didn't want sitting damp for ten-hours in that machine...
My dishwasher, I just have run when we're out of the house & know I won't rob it of any hot water to do the immaculate job that it does, or have some mistaken faith in--but for the approximately 3 1/2 hours it does take, I rarely have to rinse off or rub off w/ a towel any food particles (other than remnants of strawberry seeds) left behind... (Can't stand the noise, really; which is why I would never run it during bed time--I don't like my laundry equipment, other than maybe the dryer heard, either...)
-- Dave
It's usually my clothes washer's Spin Cycle at the very end that drags me down--probably was even late for work, just to move towels to the dryer that I didn't want sitting damp for ten-hours in that machine...
My dishwasher, I just have run when we're out of the house & know I won't rob it of any hot water to do the immaculate job that it does, or have some mistaken faith in--but for the approximately 3 1/2 hours it does take, I rarely have to rinse off or rub off w/ a towel any food particles (other than remnants of strawberry seeds) left behind... (Can't stand the noise, really; which is why I would never run it during bed time--I don't like my laundry equipment, other than maybe the dryer heard, either...)
-- Dave
gusherb
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I was until I got a traditional TL washer. Waiting for the washer gets on my nerves. Ever since getting the SQ I haven't ever felt that it needed to be faster. At 29, 31, and 33 minutes for light, medium, and heavy soil selections. I couldn't ever see myself going back to a machine that takes any longer. I'd sooner shoot myself.
The DW OTOH isn't really an issue. The Normal cycle w High Temp and Sanitize, and heated dry is around 2 hours on our '05 Maytag and it usually is run before bed or in the afternoon. On Thanksgiving I will do an all out Bobload so I only have to run it once or at worst, twice. (This year won't be an issue since I now have the Jetclean!)
The DW OTOH isn't really an issue. The Normal cycle w High Temp and Sanitize, and heated dry is around 2 hours on our '05 Maytag and it usually is run before bed or in the afternoon. On Thanksgiving I will do an all out Bobload so I only have to run it once or at worst, twice. (This year won't be an issue since I now have the Jetclean!)
norgeway
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I WILL NOT!
Have any new stuff just because I wont put up with it, My 85 Kenmore 70 belt drive washer does just fine and my 73 Lady Kenmore dryer is wonderful, my Hobart Kitchenaid Custom 20 dishwasher gets the worst baked on messes off..in about an hour, People complain about the new dishwasher detergent, but my KA will clean the dishes with anything, even the cheap store brands, new stuff....no way, you can have it, as long as I can get a old machine , that's what im going to use!
Have any new stuff just because I wont put up with it, My 85 Kenmore 70 belt drive washer does just fine and my 73 Lady Kenmore dryer is wonderful, my Hobart Kitchenaid Custom 20 dishwasher gets the worst baked on messes off..in about an hour, People complain about the new dishwasher detergent, but my KA will clean the dishes with anything, even the cheap store brands, new stuff....no way, you can have it, as long as I can get a old machine , that's what im going to use!
mrb627
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Thanksgiving Wash Times
Long wash times on T-Day is not a problem for the dishwasher. First load of dinnerware goes in, machine starts, and we get out of the kitchen back to the guests. Three hours later, clean dishes put away, dessert dishes in, machine starts, get out of the kitchen. Before bed, clean dishes put away, pots and pans that aren't hand washed loaded and machine starts. Hand washables get completed and put away. Kitchen gets a final wipe down and off bed to bed.
Malcolm
Long wash times on T-Day is not a problem for the dishwasher. First load of dinnerware goes in, machine starts, and we get out of the kitchen back to the guests. Three hours later, clean dishes put away, dessert dishes in, machine starts, get out of the kitchen. Before bed, clean dishes put away, pots and pans that aren't hand washed loaded and machine starts. Hand washables get completed and put away. Kitchen gets a final wipe down and off bed to bed.
Malcolm
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Like a lot of other people, I'm not bothered by longer wash times. Though my Frigidaire Gallery 2445 isn't horrible at all. I did a full load on "Heavy Wash" last night and it was done in about 2 hours. I always run it after dinner or at bedtime so even if it ran for twice that it wouldn't be a big deal.
My GE Filter Flo is quick and I have to say since switching from my Kenmore 28102, my laundry time has shortened slightly...not by a huge amount mind you. Drying takes quite a bit longer now. The Kenmore would spin things so well they dryer never ran longer than 30 minutes. The GE is quite different. My light bill actually went up $10 since switching.
My GE Filter Flo is quick and I have to say since switching from my Kenmore 28102, my laundry time has shortened slightly...not by a huge amount mind you. Drying takes quite a bit longer now. The Kenmore would spin things so well they dryer never ran longer than 30 minutes. The GE is quite different. My light bill actually went up $10 since switching.
brucelucenta
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Welcome to the 21st century. Better get used to it or get some ole piece of s..t DW that doesn't clean very well.
Ah
that I have never seen to be true:
"Better get used to it or get some ole piece of s..t DW that doesn't clean very well."
that I have never seen to be true:
"Better get used to it or get some ole piece of s..t DW that doesn't clean very well."
this is not made to offend anyone.....but to observe a few things....
for a one or two person household....daily loads may only get run once in a while, maybe every other day.....and then comes the occasional holiday meal, which throws havoc into the mix.....
now, take a full house on a daily basis.....where everyday's meal seems like a holiday planning.....your views would change.....you will look for ways to adapt....
for me, usually I start lading the dishwasher with utensils and pans that I am cooking with, and start the machine before setting down to dinner.....by the time we are finished eating, clearing the table, and putting leftovers away.....the machine is done, unloaded, and ready for the next.....
for a holiday meal, I used to pull out the stored holiday dinnerware, and run it first thing in the morning so the table is set.....NOW, once they are cleaned, they get stored in Ziploc bags, clean and ready for the next holiday.....I got enough to do preparing the meal, I don't have time to do double work...
all I am saying is adapt and find ways to make your job easier, not harder....
work smarter, not harder
KISS....keep it simple stupid.......
we have all been there....thinking to ourselves, there has to be an easier way....
for a one or two person household....daily loads may only get run once in a while, maybe every other day.....and then comes the occasional holiday meal, which throws havoc into the mix.....
now, take a full house on a daily basis.....where everyday's meal seems like a holiday planning.....your views would change.....you will look for ways to adapt....
for me, usually I start lading the dishwasher with utensils and pans that I am cooking with, and start the machine before setting down to dinner.....by the time we are finished eating, clearing the table, and putting leftovers away.....the machine is done, unloaded, and ready for the next.....
for a holiday meal, I used to pull out the stored holiday dinnerware, and run it first thing in the morning so the table is set.....NOW, once they are cleaned, they get stored in Ziploc bags, clean and ready for the next holiday.....I got enough to do preparing the meal, I don't have time to do double work...
all I am saying is adapt and find ways to make your job easier, not harder....
work smarter, not harder
KISS....keep it simple stupid.......
we have all been there....thinking to ourselves, there has to be an easier way....
jakeseacrest
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Yesterday I had a marathon cooking day. I did 2 loads of prep dishes using the One Hour wash and then flash dried them. Some but not all of the items needed towel drying. The last load was on Pots and Pans and that only ran for 2 hours. I was in and out of the kitchen all day so I wasn't that bothered. My previous Maytag could have cut the time in half but I'm adapting.
Just a word of caution
I have mentioned this before, but if you have gold or platinum trim on your china or crystal and put it in the dishwasher, do not towel it dry while it is hot. That is when the gold or platinum is most likely to be damaged because, on china, it goes on after the glaze and is softest when it is hot and that is when it is most easily rubbed away.
Multiple dishwashers can solve the problem.
I have mentioned this before, but if you have gold or platinum trim on your china or crystal and put it in the dishwasher, do not towel it dry while it is hot. That is when the gold or platinum is most likely to be damaged because, on china, it goes on after the glaze and is softest when it is hot and that is when it is most easily rubbed away.
Multiple dishwashers can solve the problem.
Long cycles
We invented them.
The typical rating cycle on a EU washer takes 4h, the typical dry about 2 1/2 to 3h.
Dishwashers rating cycles are now at something between 3h and 4h usual.
But, then come my probably most loved invention in DW to date: Sensor cycles. Our Bosch is a good 90min workhorse on its sensor cycle. Usually its cutting mainwash time by up to 45min, giving me 3 or 4 fills (prewash or not depends) in 90 to 150 minutes. (Clever: If a prewash is needed, it just subtracts this time from the main wash. So basicly, it's only starting to heat after its surely eliminated the need for a prewash.)
Mieles sensor cycle is as said in a simmilar range.
Electrolux is even broader in that terms. Their manuals claim 40 to 180 minutes. My oldest brother has one, and 2h are usual for him.
We invented them.
The typical rating cycle on a EU washer takes 4h, the typical dry about 2 1/2 to 3h.
Dishwashers rating cycles are now at something between 3h and 4h usual.
But, then come my probably most loved invention in DW to date: Sensor cycles. Our Bosch is a good 90min workhorse on its sensor cycle. Usually its cutting mainwash time by up to 45min, giving me 3 or 4 fills (prewash or not depends) in 90 to 150 minutes. (Clever: If a prewash is needed, it just subtracts this time from the main wash. So basicly, it's only starting to heat after its surely eliminated the need for a prewash.)
Mieles sensor cycle is as said in a simmilar range.
Electrolux is even broader in that terms. Their manuals claim 40 to 180 minutes. My oldest brother has one, and 2h are usual for him.
A recent study by the University of Bonn showed that only 16% of Germans use the rating / Eco cycle on their washing machine. I ain't one of them.
brisnat81
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The Miele for a normal load is 90-120 mins depending on soil level. 30mins of this is fan drying with the door auto opened.
If I press the turbo button the cycle takes 55-90 mins depending on soil and the door pops open at the end to flash dry.
I had a mark 8 dishlex from the early 80s in the kitchen for a few years, but with cold field it took hours to complete a cycle, unlike when it would've been new and hot fill. At 10l per fill and. 900w heating element to 60degc it took a life time. The 2000 watt element in the Miele can do that in under 10 mins.
On hot fill the Dishlex was a 60 min wash when connected to hot water
If I press the turbo button the cycle takes 55-90 mins depending on soil and the door pops open at the end to flash dry.
I had a mark 8 dishlex from the early 80s in the kitchen for a few years, but with cold field it took hours to complete a cycle, unlike when it would've been new and hot fill. At 10l per fill and. 900w heating element to 60degc it took a life time. The 2000 watt element in the Miele can do that in under 10 mins.
On hot fill the Dishlex was a 60 min wash when connected to hot water
richnz
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Miele dishwasher takes 2 hours 20 mins but it is quiet. I would rather have quiet and long than short and noisy.
Miele washing machine takes approximately 1 hour on the typical minimum iron program we use and the results are great and it is quiet too.
I would always choose long running times and silence over noise and quickness.
We also tend to walk away from the appliances once we start them.
We never hover in anticipation of hanging laundry or putting away dishes.
Miele washing machine takes approximately 1 hour on the typical minimum iron program we use and the results are great and it is quiet too.
I would always choose long running times and silence over noise and quickness.
We also tend to walk away from the appliances once we start them.
We never hover in anticipation of hanging laundry or putting away dishes.
On cooking marathon days where I can do up to 3 loads, I've been known to sort into what can be done on a 30 or 60 minute wash; regular and then heaviest soil. I've lived with this for almost 9 years and I've learned to adapt. And my water and electricity consumption are lower and my clothes last longer. And that's good on all levels.
mamapinky
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Exactly why I have a 21 year old Frigidair D/W...I have so much prep things to wash I'd go nuts if I had a slow D/W and I can't stand a messy kitchen expecially having open concept. I try to have most of the prep stuff washed and put away before we sit to table than afterwards its run a few times . I don't normally put pots and pans in this old D/W though.
And my washer is a Speed Queen Top Loader thats only a few months old, of course its fast, but I soak a lot of loads so that does increase wash time.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
And my washer is a Speed Queen Top Loader thats only a few months old, of course its fast, but I soak a lot of loads so that does increase wash time.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
@ the Holidays...
..I make oven cooked things including the turkey in a dollar store tin foil pan and smaller ones for the sides. I double them up and use a cookie sheet under heavier things. It is nice to have a few small ones to send home left overs with guests. NTGOT, it is nice to do this if you take something to a bereaved family, no dishes for them to wash or return. Keep it easy and relax. Art
..I make oven cooked things including the turkey in a dollar store tin foil pan and smaller ones for the sides. I double them up and use a cookie sheet under heavier things. It is nice to have a few small ones to send home left overs with guests. NTGOT, it is nice to do this if you take something to a bereaved family, no dishes for them to wash or return. Keep it easy and relax. Art
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