Anybody out there grossed out with cast iron cookware?

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I have a lot of cast-iron I use all the time. As Hans mentioned the corn bread skillets and giant fried chicken skillet just get wiped out and stored. Nothing will stick to them, anyway.

If something (rarely) needs a bit of scrub, hot water and a "Tuffy" scrubbie will do the trick.

I can't imagine taking detergent and hot water to good, ages old, cast iron cookware.
I haven't poisoned anyone yet.
 
my grandmother who lived until 81, and my mother who made it to 90 cooked religiously on cast iron cookware....must have been from all that extra 'iron' in their diet seeping into the food from the cookware!

I think knowing how to cook, and take care of it has more of a factor....

the only way THAT cookware is going to hurt you, is if someone takes that 14 inch fry pan and slams it up side your head!

that would have been my mothers way of slapping some sense into someone....
 
Gyrafoam/Steve, I completely agree.

I doubt anyone would use "rancid" oil to season a cast iron item. They heat evenly and they last forever. I would much rather my utensil be coated in oil than Teflon or another non-stick.

I use cast iron pieces dating back to the early 1900s. I also use the le Creuset cookware as well.

When cared for properly, the cast iron is as clean, if not more clean, than any stainless or other type of cookware.
 
This last article is pretty much the kind of thing people should be ashamed of.

First, off, and this makes me laugh, when did non-stick, which used to be pretty high-tech not too long ago, became "conventional" anything?

Second, one of the major characteristics of fluoropolymers is that they are extremely stable. That can be good and bad at the same time. Compounds that manage to not degrade and then reach the upper layer of our atmosphere, like Freon, can then degrade up there due to intense ultraviolet radiation and lightning, for example. But making fluoropolymers degrade is not easy at all.

To the point that Teflon (PTFE) and similar compounds are used in all kinds of tough situations. They are used in nuclear plants, for example, to coat ducts that deal with very corrosive chemicals under high pressure and high heat. There aren't too many materials that can be used to implant in the human body either, and the few that can, like surgical stainless steel, titanium, some ceramics, some silicones and teflon are unique in that they do not degrade or change in contact with our fluids or body.

People are all bent out of shape about personal responsibility and being grown up and all kinds of shit, and then they fail to read the directions that come with their stuff and do pretty weird shit that they should not do at all.

Like casually taking what they think is "heatproof" glass baking dish from the hot oven and putting it on the first place they find, just to find out that the place was moist or wet and see the dish explode. They tell you not to do that in the directions. People do it once or twice, the situation is slightly different, or the glass weakens from that, then the next time they do it, poof, ex-dish.

Same thing with teflon. They warn people (for over 3 decades now) to throughly wash, rinse and dry the dish, then coat it with a thin film of oil and heat it for a couple of minutes before first use. Then they warn people not to leave the dish empty or dry preheating. The first direction is to finish curing the non-stick. The second one is to avoid overheating the coating. The coating can withstand about 450F for hours, and about 500F for a few minutes. It starts degrading *only* if it's exposed to harsher circumstances than that, and, given that food will burn to an unpalatable crispy piece of charcoal above that, *no one* should be cooking at temperatures that degrade teflon, ever.

But people are dumb. They listen to folks who are used to a restaurant workflow, which is completely different from what you and I do at home. A thin piece of aluminum or stainless steel coated with teflon will take *no time* preheating, it will reach proper cooking temperature in less than a minute or two. I see "celebrity chefs" on TV turning the heat to high and waiting a long time until the pot/pan is "ripping hot" and then they put the oil in. There is no need for that. Put the oil in, turn on the pan, as soon as it starts shimmering, before it starts smoking, you're all set to cook.

My teflon pots and pans have lasted for 20 years with no trouble. The *only* thing that makes them fall apart is when some person inadvertently "preheats" them like the TV chefs do.

I have more news for y'all: the "simple" solutions they offer will not help you, me or anyone. "Ceramic" non-stick is not that far from teflon, and, just like no one ever had trouble with teflon (and it was proved safe by the FDA and lots of other places around the globe) until people started overheating the stuff at home, you will all find out in 10-20 years that the "ceramic" coating suffers from exactly the same problem. And it doesn't have to take that long, you know how many people buy ceramic non-stick, put it in the dishwasher and years later it still works just like new, and nothing sticks, and the next person over says "weird, no matter how much I 'baby' it and hand wash etc, 2 months later it's sticking to everything"? Yeah, they are overheating their stuff, that's what slightly melts the coating and makes it fail too.

The article mentions "heatproof glass", without mentioning that they have not sold real borosilicate Pyrex for a long time. Finding Visions or Pyroceram (CorningWare) has been very difficult too. Tempered soda-lime glass is hard to break if it falls, but cannot withstand temperature changes as well as the old Pyrex, so their suggestion is crap, and they know it. The intention of this article is to make people buy "ceramic" non-stick instead by making people afraid.

That brings us to cast iron. First off, it can be washed with hot water and dishwashing detergent just fine, thank you. What you can't do easily without paying the price is soak it for any length of time. Leave it to be washed last thing, take a soft sponge with some detergent, wipe the pot, rinse it immediately, dry it with a cloth or paper towel and maybe put it on the stovetop to warm up for half a minute or so to make sure it's dry. My mom did that her entire life with her cast iron and her carbon-steel frying pans, they worked fine.

Second, the coating on cast iron pans ("seasoning") is polymerized oil. You might want to firmly believe that, because it was edible oil and because we've been using it for centuries, that it's perfectly safe. It's not. It's barely safe enough. You may or may not want to google "nitrosamine" and you don't even have to google "nitrosamine cancer" to be offered a bunch of things about how nitrosamine in food can cause cancer. Nitrosamine is created when certain foods are overheated. Like oil, for example. Because the vegetable oil is never there alone, it's often combined with stuff that has nitrogen, nitrates and nitrites in them.

The polymerized oil has another problem -- it *is* non-stick, but, because it is *not* as stable as Teflon, it degrades at a slightly lower temp and produces similar toxic compounds. You start preheating that cast iron pan, and, because it doesn't transfer heat as readily as copper, aluminum or stainless, the very center where the flame is is overheating while the outer edges are still comparatively cool. You may notice that a high percentage of the times a cast-iron pan loses its seasoning, it's on the very center. Where it's too hot for the polymer to resist. Places that had birds dying "because of the teflon" when they were near the kitchen find out that their birds *keep* getting sick or dying when they switch to cast iron, because what they did not stop doing is overheating their pots and pans.

I'd like to say that, while seeing people cook in cast-iron doesn't gross me out, per se, given that I've been seeing people do that for ages and I also do not have any choice in the matter, if that grosses you out, you can't eat out anywhere, because invariably *something* *will* be cooked in or on cast iron (griddles, for example) in a restaurant setting, I've never just rinsed or wiped them out without washing. Currently I don't have any, but when I did or when I use them, I wash them. I also *never* ever ever use metallic implements like steel-wool, chore girl or abrasives (even salt) not even the blue 3M sponge that is "safe for non-stick". The non-stick film on cast iron is very very easy to scratch off. People usually don't notice because they heat the pan with oil the very next time they use it, so in a sense it "heals" a bit. But those are frequently the folks who need to re-season the pans every few years, or, like a friend of mine, who only used coarse salt, every two weeks. My mother used her seasoned frying pans for over 40 years, washed them everyday, and never needed to re-season them.

That having been said, I'd like to ask anyone here: if it were an aluminum pan or a stainless-steel skillet that had exactly the *same* "seasoned" coating on them, would you barf or would you eat the food? There is *nothing* magical about cast-iron. The very same phenomenon happens to other metals, and I am willing to bet a dollar that many here would snicker and send phone pictures of such pans to others here in the club to tell each other how they are bad home keepers and how nasty their cookware looks. And you don't need to go too far for that: about a century ago, aluminum pots became highly desirable because before then people were using cast-iron or carbon-steel cookware, and they *polished* them to a high shine (with sand, steel wool etc) every time they used the things. Aluminum cookware was much easier to keep clean compared to that.

As for just "wiping clean" with a paper towel, I know plenty of people who do that to Teflon cookware. Does not fill me with warm fuzzies and confidence. For me, things don't necessarily *need* to go to the dishwasher, a quick hand washing is fine with me. But I'd like to see some soap and water there.

Oh, one more thing about that article: if I am to believe their spiel, "conventional" non-stick PTFE cookware is "dangerous" and/or "toxic" because they have fluoropolymers in them. Namely PTFE.

Did you notice how a little further down the article, they mention the alternative is to use "stonewear", which they "helpfully" explain to us, the unwashed ignorant masses (pun intended), that stonewear is similar to ceramic non-stick, and all of a sudden, it's a "non-toxic" "alternative" made with a combination of crushed stone and a polymer? That polymer will degrade and produce very similar fumes to the ones Teflon does. There is a very simple reason for that: they are either *made* with PTFE or with a very similar polymer.

People, please, wake up. Teflon's patents have run out over 20 years ago. So now, people want to sell you on the "new" stuff that has a current patent, but it's not that different.
 
It can be gross..but

I love all of mine. I have a dutch oven that's at least 150 years old and several size skillets and a cornbread stick skillet from great grandmother, and grandmother. My father's second wife didn't wash her cast iron skillets..I opened the storage drawer one day and found it with mold growing in it. Whatever the argument..I'm not putting a dirty anything up in my kitchen. I wash all my cast iron with Dawn. I wouldn't run them through the dishwasher.
 
Grandma never washed her ironware either ...

But she would put her skillet back in the oven after making cornbread and get it really hot. Then she would hold it under running water. I remember as a young child it making a loud popping and hissing noise and a huge plume of steam lifting out of the sink. I think it was her way of cleaning the pan after each use. Didn't seem to hurt it either. It would leave it dry instead of oily.
 
Thank you, Earthling for some truth here. I was always squicked out a bit by my grandmother's Griswold cast iron--it was always nonstick on the inside and sticky on the outside...yecch. Family friends had the same Revere Ware that my mom had...theirs always was streaky and nasty looking--my mom's was shiny and nice. Always thought it was because my mom used electric to cook with and Carole used gas...the culprit was that my mom could fit the Revere Ware into the dishwasher (with just four for dinner)...it was always thoroughly cleaned. Carole, on the other hand, had six for dinner and not enough space in the dishwasher for the pots/pans, hence doing the pots/pans last left them with the greasy dishwater film. Yecch.
 
People have been cooking with cast iron for centuries

Long before modern dish detergents, automatic dishwashers and everything else we have today. While plenty may have died from food poisoning resulting from improper storage/lack of refrigeration, don't believe numbers are anywhere near from "unclean" cast iron cookware.

Cast iron can withstand great heat; thus in theory whatever "germs" would be effectively destroyed by that process. Main worry today is about smoke given off as cast iron reaches extreme temperatures.

You can clean and or season cast iron by shoving it into hot coals/fire. Indeed if you've something that is badly rusted; just wash/scrub down, then shove into a hot coals (or maybe use a self cleaning oven). Once that is done re-season and you're good to go.
 
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.

Sure, we can heat up any metal pan to a high temp and "sterilize" it.

We can heat up some ceramic (not coating, real ceramic made with clay) to even higher temps, until they glow white.

But the two points people are trying to make, to contrast to the point "I can heat it up and sterilize it" are very important too.

First off, independent of how hot you can make something to sterilize it, it doesn't mean the cookware is safe. Its also very true that just because something is being used for centuries, it doesn't mean it's safe either.

Just as an FYI, all kinds of earthenware, both unglazed and glazed (which includes ceramics and fine china) have been used for longer than just when my grandma walked this Earth, it has thousands of years of use.

And yet, we'd like to talk about how unsafe it was to use some of them (and also stuff made out of glass) up to 1940's or so, because some of them were crawling with lead which leached out on the food. We'd love to be able to say the problem was solved in the 40's or so and all such material is safe now, but it's not. We're still getting reports every few years that such-and-such item from such-and-such manufacturer is being recalled for containing excess lead. Please note the "excess" in there. A lot of them are not even lead-free.

And not for nothing, but when friends and I were taking Chemistry Lab classes, a lot of the times we were doing experiments on pure ceramic containers, then we were instructed to put the containers with the material inside to heat up in a kiln set up to various temperatures, depending on the reaction we were supposed to carry on. The thing was never set to less than 400F, very often, it was set to much higher than that. A lot of the times, the desired products would be after calcination was complete, which means, only ashes were on the container.

One would think that one could just be done by brushing off the contents and the container would be clean. Or that one could just rinse off the container and one was set to go. And yet, a lot of my friends were admonished by the professors and/or lab techs for failing to *wash* and then *rinse* the containers. One time a student in class escaped the eagle eyes of professors and technicians, just rinsed the container and started the next reaction -- they found out that the reaction failed because of residue *still* on the ceramic surface after being rinsed.

And honestly, I *know* it's unlikely to happen, but just go there with us for a second and tell us how you'd feel, if you saw that someone who found a cast iron frying pan in a barn somewhere, and it was filled with shit, metaphorically speaking or literally speaking, and just tossed it on the fire until it was nearly white hot, then shook the ashes from it and started cooking. Would you *eat*?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I would want to see that *washed* and *rinsed* before anything got cooked in it.

PS: And thank you Jamie, I appreciate the comment.
 
Superocd, prob not the best of ideas to cook acidic things in cast iron. I have never tried, so only know what I have deduced and read. I have read the acidity can cause the seasoning to degrade and the contents will have an off taste in regular cast iron.

I have used a le creuset dutch oven for spaghetti sauce.

Other than that, the maintenance on cast iron is possibly more than say, stainless steel cookware. For many things, I believe cast iron is really a good cookware.
 
Cast iron

If the pan is well seasoned a little soap and water won't hurt it. When ready to use, cast iron is pre heated first, then ur choice of fat is added, then whatever ur going to cook. Exactly the way stainless would be treated. Please explain what grand positive or gram negative bacteria will survive this process?
 
Stan,

First off, there are some organisms, I forgot if they are bacteria or fungi, or maybe both, you can google and find out, but there are organisms that were found in highly acidic effluents from active volcanos.

Ah, there, found some examples, but there's more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robina...bility-of-life-inside-a-volcano/#30c484e51c1d

http://www.bitsofscience.org/extremophile-bacteria-archaea-volcano-6094/

http://all-geo.org/volcan01010/2014...-microbes-to-colonise-the-fimmvorduhals-lava/

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...es-discovered-on-volcano-soon-after-eruption/

Second, a professor of human psychology, I'm told, used to make his students go thru this experiment: they would take glasses right out of the dishwasher, or, when the classroom was bigger, distribute brand new disposable cups to the students.

The students were told to fill the cups with water and take a couple of sips. "All good?" he would ask. Everyone nodded yes. "Spit in the cups", he'd tell them, and they would. "Now drink the water", he'd say.

Very few people did. Most people were grossed out. By their own spit, which was inside their own mouths just a couple of seconds before.

A few questions that have been asked, in addition to the question asked by the original poster, and people dodged answering them.

Would you eat food cooked in a stainless-steel pot or aluminum pot with the same "patina" as a cast-iron pot? Or would you think the homemaker was subpar?

If it's not bad, why do we bother to wash all the other pots then? If the other pots *need* to be *cleaned*, why don't we clean cast-iron?

Now, going into a slightly different but related question: if the pot was soiled with mouse poo, or a bunch of mud or barn "junk", would you just chuck it into a roaring fire for an hour, wait for it to cool off, brush off the ashes and cook in it right away?

Or would you be too grossed out unless it was *washed* and *rinsed*?

There is no right or wrong answer here. One person feels it's "safe" and "clean enough" and the next person won't touch it until it has been cleaned and sterilized multiple times.

Sterile doesn't imply clean. One could dump ashes from a crematorium inside cast iron, brush it off, and I wonder how many people here would use that pot without washing? It's as sterile as it could be. It's still dirt, and it makes things it touches dirty. To me and many others anyway.

How about the rest of you? (No pun intended.)
 
There`s plain cast iron and there`s enameled cast iron like Le Creuset skillets. The latter doesn`t leach extra iron into your diet and isn`t prone to rust easily but seems to have other drawbacks.

My grandmother had an enameled one in her electric range when not use. Apparently a seasoning is beneficial for this type of cast iron as well, as she only wiped it out with paper towels or washed it as a last item only when absolutely necessary which also left it with a thin coat of oil.
I vividly remember the rancid stench coming out of the oven when you opened the door. Yuck ! But I also remember she made the world`s best fried potatoes, schnitzels, potato pancakes and many other things in this skillet.
 
Splitting hairs or trying to reinvent the wheel isn't going to change ages old cooking habits.

My take away is that seriously OCD,germophobic,or allergy prone people would NEVER eat out of their own home-----ever, or risk certain death by poisoning. After all, restaurants are known to be notoriously germ free environments.🙄
 
I have a few cast iron pans that I use for cornbread. Basically, an 8" square, a round one that makes 8 wedges, and a cornstick one. All are well seasoned and the cornbread lifts right out. I wash them lightly with soap and hot water then dry them briefly on the burner and put them away when cool. The only oil/grease they see now is what's in the batter and whatever I use to lightly grease the heated pan before putting the batter in.

I love my enamel over cast iron as well. I have a few Le Creuset, mainly from yard sales, but also other brands like Olive & Thyme. The other brands are thicker cast iron. They're great for stewing and braising as they hold heat well and things will simmer on a relatively low setting. Plus, I can use them with gas, electric or induction! The only one I ever lost was one that was repeatedly put in the dishwasher. Maybe it was coincidence, but all my other ones still have a mostly shiny surface and clean up with ease.

Chuck
 
"Dirty" and "clean" are very interesting concepts as you mention--there then is ritual cleanliness where, as a f'rinstance, orthodox Jews will immerse newly purchased cookpots (to kosher them) into the same mikvah (ritual bath) where people (primarily women) have just immersed their bodies. I always find it interesting strolling through wet markets in China/far East and seeing.observing the cleanliness of the activities while my nose twitches at the odors. I'd imagine the same type of twitchiness from someone from a non-dairy-intensive region visiting a dairy/cheese shop...you can see the gleaming stainless steel while still not registering a "clean" smell.
 
Jamie

I don't know where you source your information, (perhaps Henry Fords Dearborn Independent of the 1920's),however, nothing could be further from the truth about the koshering process.

Everybody immerses their pots in a large kettle of boiling water. In the event a pot is made tref it can also be boiled. The old timers would bury it in the earth for a week and then clean and boil them. Anything can be made kosher simply by exposure to flame. So you can bake or broil some things with a gas stove or grill.

As an aside, a mikvah for human immersion must be constantly flowing fresh water------- not a pool!
Usually well water a stream or lake. If anyone did use the same source of water as the mikvah they would certainly use it before it got to human immersion.🙄
 
Gyrafoam/Steve... thank you, I was wondering the same. So back to the issue at hand...I find cast iron a very durable, clean and functional choice for cookware.

Steve, thank you also for your wisdom on the koshering process. I don’t necessarily follow Kashrut, however I am familiar and I am glad you provided the facts/truth regarding Kashrut law and the actual process and thought behind the process.

Cookware made of cast iron is typically a nice standard in which to cook. Again, one can incur a bit more maintenance than other cookware, however I find it very durable and clean.

If proper cast iron maintenance is a bit too much... stuck with another cookware. It is quite simple. If it skeeves someone to think about cast iron cookware.... don’t stress, simply use something else.
 

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