Anyone bought a Speed Queen lately?

[washer111]

Miele is most CERTAINLY NOT junk! If you didn't see the recent videos posted about their quality control methods, I'll recap and say that their machines are built for about 10,000 cycles (According to Combo52 SQ TL machines are the same) and are not piles of junk that take "forever" to wash clothes

 

Sure, if you select a cycle with Pre-Wash, Water Plus and a very Hot/Very Cold temperature, it will take longer. But the machine adapts itself to every load I put through it. 

 

The Miele can wash about 7.5KG of clothing with a stuffed drum at 40º if we so choose (A similarly rated TL machine often cannot handle such loads). That will take about 2:30 hours - but considering the size of such a load, I would never have any issues with a load that large taking so long to wash. If I'm pressed for time, I can push the "Short" button and bring the whole affair down to a 1:45 cycle, which is more than enough for clothing items worn daily as part of an office job. 

 

As I've repeatedly said here over time, I usually just wash about a 3.5kg load of clothes (Thats the typical load after sorting) on "Minimum Iron," which takes about an hour, or about 50 minutes if I cut it down and depending on the temperature and options selected. I use that cycle as it provides more water (thus gentler action) on the clothes. Since I don't need hardcore stain removal, I don't need the minimum water level. The cycle uses the same amount of water as the machine would on a fully loaded Cottons cycle, just to put that into perspective for readers. 

 

Other comments about "Washing Machine Cleaner" are met be the following statement: Given CORRECT laundering habits , that is FREQUENT Warm and/or HOT washes, being gentle with fabric softener products and ensuring proper detergent loading, you WILL NOT NEED a washer-cleaner, EVEN in an FL machine. 

Of course, with U.S. machines dumbing water down so cold, and people using so much fabric softeners and other *crap*, I'm not surprised your machines need it. 

 

Our machine runs probably about 3-4 washes above 130ºF (55ºC) every week. Other washes are at "Warm" temperature (40ºC/104ºF), always with Extra Rinse selected. 

The machine has NO mould in the boot, NO odours (except the smell of clean clothes/detergent) and has not had any issues (*touches fibre-board desk*) in the 1.5 years we've had the machine. 

 

[washman]

washer111

Where was it stated that Miele was/is junk?

 

[mayfan69]

I wish.....

there was a way you could 'block' certain people on this site where you don't have to read their posts and propaganda...just like you can on Facebook or other sites...just like I've already done to one person at least on the autowasher.org friends page...

I think I might put the suggestion to Robert.

Leon

 

[alineber]

Hi brisnat81

<div>In the U.S., your machines take in 120°F water, temper it to 104° or less then wash for 20 minutes or so without a heater, and complete the cycle. (I base this on relatively recent discussion occurring here where machines take about an hour to wash).</div>
<div>There is NO way that will get clothes clean... If you have an FL machine that takes in PROPER hot water or heats it up and washes for long enough, your clothes will get clean. You also need some water to achieve this. But not copious amounts that some people *think* they need. </div>
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<div>I was trying to show "washer 111" that I agreed with his statement above.  If you read his post, he thinks that U.S. FL's, without heaters, have problems cleaning clothes.   This is why I told him that I had to raise my water heater to 130*F and why I use the SQ TL machine.  Many of my friends have FL's with no heaters built in and they are having problems.  I'm sorry, if you took my post wrong.  Maybe I didn't word it correctly, but I was not disagreeing with anything he was saying or trying to be disrespectful.  </div>
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<div><span style="color: #ff0000;">Taking over every thread with a Speed Queen good, everything else bad is getting a bit a tiresome.  </div>
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<div>Sorry, if you think that way because that is not my intension.   </div>
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<div>We all get that you and Washman love Speed Queen, It'd be nice if it didn't appear in every single post.</div>
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<div>Most of my comments are shown in post about SQ or people here in the U.S. looking for good cleaning, long lasting, high quality washers or people unhappy with their FL washers.   I will not hold back my opinion from these post no matter how many there might be, but I will try to keep it out of others.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Allen</div>

 

[mrb627]

Unfortunate Perspective

But I would say that Miele is not the same around the world and the Australia does get a better performing machine simply due to the power at which the machine operates.

Malcolm

 

[washman]

Well said alineber

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Washer111 & company

I do not really want to start another FL vs TL thread....
But I can read you say some Inaccuracies...first of all networks and voltage in US does not limit that always, there are models of Miele and Bosch with a built in heater working with 120 volt....
Front load vd top load:
I can speak from an italian persepctive, and PERSONALLY having used and seen lots of FL machines with heaters and that can boil, not to mention the US fl's machine whenever they are set up to fill water not hot enough, and can say you here that NONE of them used to give a performance paragonable to a Top loader agitator machine*, both in warm, hot or boil washings and with the so acclaimed staged, hours long cycles.
* (accordingly that you use it with proper water temperature so I mean hot enough and proper cycle).
Based on my experinces, from what I could see and my way of thought, I think that the method of washing of a front loader cannot be paragonable to an agitator washer in matter of cleaning simply because there is no way that wet clothes tumbling in a drum have the chanche to have washing solution forced into them in a way able to remove dirt and stains as effectively as an agitator washer does by beating clothes through water and having the solution forced through them, freely with a greater force, homogeneity and effectiveness, before you mention time, I say that I think that even if they tumble four hours would probably never get clean enough.
I could experiment that also.... When using a front loader I used to extend further the wash time by crank back the knob trying to schieve cleaner results, having wash times as long as 3 hours and half and sometimes with bio soak overnight, but even in those occasions had laundry came out with spots and halos I knew my Filter-flo would have never left back...

Can also tell you that it is the same for the many italians that spend fortunes in these machines and find them way better than the previous FL machine they had including former Miele owners, what I can read and hear most of the times is that people can finally achieve the results without the usual pretreatring and or manual prewash soak they always had to do before (practice very common over here since the advent of automstics, , that me indeed of course never had the need to do, toss in and dah dah...clean!)

So, very different from you....

So here is the thing, since it all started from it:
Out there there are lots of people who don't find front loaders being as good as toploaders, and you can read it in many reviews, the same way there are people who find them better than their previous top loader...
So who's right?
None you can tell, unless you start an endless speech taking in exam lots of variants that made them to arrive to this conclusion, it would really be nice if we would do further investigations in both the cases and do a factual speech, like the former top loader owner that loves his new heating front loader, well perhaps that one could not reach an enough hot temperature and then he comes to find the front loader better as it finally reach a proper temperature heating his own water...
Then there are the ones that regrets having their old top loader back after having bought a new front loader and share their fond hate toward front loaders, HE and such...
Lots of other variants can make one's opinion....
As for everything, the best one could do, is sharing his own opinions and findings based on own experiences or ones he knows of....especially in threads requesting an opinion like this one.
Nobody is wrong or right, so if one finds that front loaders sucks compared to top loaders should be free to say so without objections, the same way who thinks otherwise....
Let's just don't start wars over it......

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[washer111]

Here is Where you "Implied" It

<a name="start_51686.742322">"*value for me is how long will the thing last and how much use can I get out of it?"</a>

 

Miele's sell at a similar price point (or cheaper, sometimes), are manufactured to withstand years of domestic use (and abuse...), add more features and have high efficiency.

 

And for the record, I'm not interesting in starting the FL/TL debate. Merely setting the record straight and correcting misconceptions people seem to have. I won't be contributing any more to this thread - as it seems that people are offended by my opinions, or perhaps their own fear of the truth.

 

[washman]

washer111 you missed the point

I never implied Miele was cheap or junk. I know what I typed and nothing of the sort was "implied". That my friend is entirely YOUR perception.

Perhaps you read further down when I said in part ".........when it breaks........." which it will. As will the Speed Queen.

Hillmon Appliance, my closest dealer about 40 minutes away, offered their machines starting, I repeat, starting at $1600. That is US currency btw. And that did not include the pedestal either.

That is almost twice what I paid for the Speed Queen.

And, no local dealers service Miele in my area. None. Zilch. Zero. Which means I have to rely on a single dealer a long way off for service.

OTOH, I bought the washer from one dealer locally and the dryer from a second dealer because he had a better price AND both service what they sell. This is part of what I mean by value.

Clear now?

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Merely setting the record straight and correcting misconcept

Merely setting the record straight and correcting misconceptions people seem to have.

Do not want to sound like a bitch..
BUT

Are you really sure you have that much of power or authority to determine whatever needs to be "corrected"?
Don't take this for bad...please...
I have seen you " correcting" " many things that could be called anything but opinable sentences or Ie "opinions"..... that really does not need to be corrected simply because they ain't right nor wrong...
As for the ones of yours.....
I think no one fears the truth here, because no one can say to be the TRUTH IN PERSON, one can just say what are their findings snd accept whatever are differents thoughts and opinions and take them for what they're are, some sentences I have seen in your posts indeed sounded like decrees/ verdicts..
No one here can say to have the suthority or power to do that as we still are in a democratical country and forum....
But perhaps it is me seing ot that way....

 

[Chetlaham]

power limitations

US power availability does limit the front load built in heater market. How and why we choose to run home branch circuits at 120 still blows my mind. In this day and age no justification exists.

Most front loaders are shipped with a NEMA 5-15 plug which only gives 1800 watts max. Most heaters end up being about 1000 to 1200 watts. About 300 to 400 watts are left over for the motor since tumble and heat is needed. While 1000 watts will still heat the water it takes a lot of time, and from cold to a boil wash that can take over an hour alone for the wash. Compact machines none to bad, but give them a full size and consumers will be asking why. A Euro plug on the other hand can pull 13 or 16 amps at 230 volts. 3000 watts to 3700 watts of available power. A euro washer can easily be equipped with a 2000 to 3000 watt heater, in this example will say 2500 watts. That's 2 and 1/2 times more heating power which makes the consumer happier. Most euro machines are more leaning toward compact, so it adds to the time reduction even more. However, if we wanted to get similar results in our full size front loads I would estimate about a 3500 to 4200 watts of heating power would be needed.

The good news for us: literally 96% of houses can get 4800 watts of power at their washer outlets without upgrading any wiring. The NEC has required for decades a dedicated 20 amp 12 gauge circuit be run to the laundry area for the washer. 96% of houses have a dedicated number 12 from the panel to the washer's receptacle. By code that circuit cant leave the laundry area, and technically cant be run to any light fixtures. All one needs to do is swap the single pole breaker to a double and change the outlet to a NEMA 6-20r. Presto 4800 watts of power. Appliance makers can then add NEMA 6-20p plugs to washers and in turn stronger heaters. Imagine a Duet with a 4500 watt heater Major time savings on a sani wash.

Bosch btw has a neat trick up its sleeve. Some of their home dryers for the US market plug into a standard 240 volt 30 amp dryer circuit. A 15 amp 240 volt plug is provided at the back of the dryer for a 240 volt front load with heater. But if one wanted just the washer they could do the above mentioned too.

IMO, a front load with no heater is half a washer.

 

[washer111]

Okay, I'll Bite

(And make myself a hypocrite).

No, I don't feel I have "power or authority" to correct. I form opinions based on what I read here, and what I've experienced in my own personal activities.

 

Therefore, when I see people spreading misconceptions I bite and "correct" them. I'm sorry, if people are offended by that, then I apologize.

 

 

[kenmoreguy89]

No you're not hypocrite....I think all have understand your points and your ideas, that's what matters... Just let to the readers determine iwhatever you say is, according to each one of them, unless they're factual things, opinions can be agreed or disagreed, partially or wholly, but never and say never universally right nor wrong, nor in need of corrections , just limit to say your opinions and let them be what they're, not corrections or verdicts, but opinIons...
Just to make an example...
You jumped out from the sentence about having to wash twice with frontloaders (not washing well) , you assumed immediately that It was fault of US ones not heating water, started shooting verdicts and kept saying at how shit they are because of this, kinda sanctifying Miele or european ones, how did you know he was referring and talking of a US non heating front loader and never tried also one with an heater?
As you can see I feel exactly the same about the ones that heat.... And do not let me speak about ones that don't...
You give fault to this and wash times, but what about if others reasons other than wash temperatures and or times were involved in the fact that so many people in the US and the poster don't find FL as good as top loaders agitators?

You see....

What about if an american indeed would say: " eh I think now in OZ they find these front loader better for a simple reason, I find their top loaders to be crappy toys like machines, , that generally does not have a good agitation, so it's natural there they like 'em so much than they do over here"...
That's an example.....
What about if one would say so? That would be an opinion, if starting with "I think", different is if it mentioned like a fact, judgment and or verdict stating it as an untouchable truth as some of your lines appers to be,I think that if a reader is smart wold look up himself after this and determine whenever having to agree or disagree....but never say "you're wrong"-"it is not so" as a matter of fact.
His words versus yours....who will win....nobody, nonody will be right or wrong.
Again, the way you came up sounded a bit pretentious and Judgmental.....at least to me....let opinions be what they're...
Have a good night to all...

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