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I've been noticing this, has been getting a lot of air time, the past week. I was wondering what everyones thoughts were.
I've noticed that oxiclean, isn't really effective at all on food stains, or in my case, cleaning up kitchen towels.
I don't "get it" when it comes to OxyClean--for all purpose stain removal. Oxygen bleach requires high temperature hot washes in order to be effective as I understand it. And warm water just won't "cut it" with oxygen bleaches as far as I understand it.
mich
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Oxiclean
Contains an agent called "OTOH", that helps it activate at very low temperatures. Technically it should even activate in Cold Water. However, for very effective whitening (such as that compared to Chlorine Bleach) it needs very long cycle times (in hot water of course) (40 Minutes+) to work properly, and I find at that rate, it quickly deteriorates fabrics.
It also contains Sodium Carbonate, which, all by itself, I imagine is quite effective at loosening up, and removing some stains.
I myself though, just prefer to get out the Bleach Jug, and follow it up with antichlor (which deactivates any remaining chlorine, so the fabric doesn't deteriorate or yellow). This is very effective for me, and I've noticed that fabrics look a lot better, with less peeling, and less fading of (less colourfast) items.
I also like to use Laundry Sour. But, that's for another day
Contains an agent called "OTOH", that helps it activate at very low temperatures. Technically it should even activate in Cold Water. However, for very effective whitening (such as that compared to Chlorine Bleach) it needs very long cycle times (in hot water of course) (40 Minutes+) to work properly, and I find at that rate, it quickly deteriorates fabrics.
It also contains Sodium Carbonate, which, all by itself, I imagine is quite effective at loosening up, and removing some stains.
I myself though, just prefer to get out the Bleach Jug, and follow it up with antichlor (which deactivates any remaining chlorine, so the fabric doesn't deteriorate or yellow). This is very effective for me, and I've noticed that fabrics look a lot better, with less peeling, and less fading of (less colourfast) items.
I also like to use Laundry Sour. But, that's for another day
kenmoreguy89
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Forget getting whites done (acceptably done/nice on the long ride) with Cold water using a detergent or oxy additive only, let alone with stains of "spaghetti sauce" like that, which is a ctually pasta sauce..not just spaghetti! LOL wanna see you getting rid of a large deep soaked-in stain of a fat homemade Bolognese, arrabbiata, amatriciana whatever done "as it should be", in cold water, well with chlorine you'll whiten the tomato dye but fat/oil will still be stuck in the clothing (you need hotter water for that).... but since clean for many means " visible stain/dirt is disappeared" chlorine will do this, even though it is not the clean that I call clean, but chlorine will remove the visible stain in cold vs an oxy product of course and will whiten all the laundry too.
After the commercial my thought was: "WOW what a news! Thanks for nothing einstein!".... he's just too cute to understand how ingenous and predicted he's! LOL....
Chlorine OTOH is what was/is used for decades by those not getting other alternative resources to wash whites acceptably white and stain free, say water hot enough to get detergents or additives working, and no product available today can compete on that, so in giving decent whites in cool or cold as chlorine does.
Chlorine is still the proven weapon for success always and in any conditions when it comes about whites!
Said that, yes it is mainly a matter of water temperature.
Must be said that since the era of TAED, you don't technically need water of or over 140F to get oxy bleaches working, as it was once with plain perborate, much have changed in this sense....
Then... oxi clean, is percarbonate....that is activated in lower temps than perborate, and of course it contains carbonate Mich, since percarbonate is obtained by carbonate being sprayed with peroxide oxy bleach.
As time goes on.....oxi bleaches are getting indispensable in certain cases in modern households and are used either as substiture for hotter washes and or chlorine.
Proof of it (and the comparison of the whole oxi stuff bucket vs bleach in the commercial is done for this reason) is that you have many people both down here and in the States who free pour oxi clean, Vanish or percarbonate and peroxide and such for Warm washes of whites as a way to reduce hotter washes needed or chlorine ( because this would result in them having to do separate washes for items to be bleached or washes in hotter water), let alone that in the US now many modern machines won't even allow a decent hot wash because of dumbed temps .. but the fact of adding Oxy stuff, along with liquid peroxide products " alternative liquid bleaches" is done for many reasons togheter but with in common one reason, so when there's the impossibility or lack of will to wash on higher temps or use chlorine bleach...as I was saying it is mainly because of the fact that many modern textiles won't stand hotter washes than just warm (30-40 celsius)....and many also won't stand chlorine bleach... and people given all the different types of textiles available today don't actually want or have time to divide clothes based on temperatures anymore, many do not even divide colors from whites except for dark ones (and that always leaves me stunned) they'll do synthetics, lycra... whatever except woolens or silk... in the same white load at the lowest temp indicated by the most "delicate" garment in the load, so they will more simply crack down the temperature knob to warm (30c-40c) and load the wash solution with the myriad of additives (percarbonates or blends of Percarbonate and enzymes) you have availbale to guarantee what you'd get with an hotter temp, this is done even because, many folks goes with liquids and as every liquids they likely miss the oxy bleaching component...it will work to some extent, better than detergent alone (both powders or liquids) for sure given the increased oxidating ingredients in that water temp... but better than bleach? I'd be prone to say no at first... But there is not a clear answer as it's all related to temps...It actually depends... and also on what you mean for better given the downsides.
Oxy additives needs hotter temperaratures to work vs chlorine, so it's not like that if you pour a whole bucket of oxy clean in cool it will work more just because is a whole bucket, in cool it's not activated, actually you almost waisted all of it, you cannot expect oxi clean to work in cool or cold like that, chlorine OTOH works virtually in any temps from cool to hot and it's action is quicker than oxy stuff, let's say almost immediate.., oxy stuff not, but as you increase the temperature just of a few dickers from say 15 degrees to 30-40, here oxy power will be incredibly enhanced vs what it does (better say doesn't) in cold and the more you put, the more oxidating power you have as for increasing the temp....
So if you put a whole oxi clean bucket in cold, it will not work as chlorine bleach does even if it is 3 buckets, but as you increase the temp, it will change like night and day.
Not sure if that is enough to claim that "clorox removes stains better than oxi clean" that translates in "chlorine removes stains better than percarbonate or perborate, peroxide".
They're 2 different things, one requires other conditions than the other (water hotter), then it will work...
Proof: Try either pour chlorine or spreading paste or pour a concentrated solution of oxy clean on the same stain at room temp, bleach will remove it faster almost immdediately, but try now pouring oxi clean paste or even a peroxide solution with hotter water like 60c or more degrees...it will do similarly of what chlorine does at room temp,it may require slightly more than chlorine anyway, true...but repeat the same operation day by day, until results reached in both cases, and you'll find an hole in the bleach treated item vs no harm done by percarbonte or peroxide even if you let it one day long ...what is best?
Personally, if I had to, I'd strive to go with oxy bleaches and hot enough water any day vs chlorine, as I have seen what chlorine does to my laundry and textiles (no matter antichlor or acid rinse product, damage happens in the wash time) versus whatever oxy bleach does, I'd avoid chlorine like plague...In my case chlorine bleach ruins laundry, and I never had any laundry ruined by anything else, products or procedure...but again, not needing anything else than detergent, having water hot enough and good machines this does not touch me minimally.
Some people though, still like to use bleach and find it needed for some reasons as I said... many likes to add it even just for sanification beliefs...
The only times I use bleach on clothes are the extremely rare times some sorts of colored items ends in a white wash by error ie Red sock turning everything pink (it never happens as I am pretty careful) or when I home dye dark colors to lighter ones, ie blue to dark green or red....but even there, I prefer using professional dye removers such as sodium hydrosulphite etc, even though more expensive than chlorine, these are ingredients found also in many laundry whiteners like Biancofà, lavasbianca or the spanish "Blanco nuclear"..... all alternatives to chlorine bleach, the downside of these products is that they smell like sewers and sulfur....but at least they don't damage textiles as chlorine bleach does.
Anyway, in conclusion:
Sure is one thing...if you want or have to do whites in cold or cool, nothing beats bleach for price and effectiveness.... but again not sure if that is enough to say that chlorine eliminates stains better than oxi clean....it eliminates them better*
*In any wash conditions.
[this post was last edited: 8/6/2014-13:18]
After the commercial my thought was: "WOW what a news! Thanks for nothing einstein!".... he's just too cute to understand how ingenous and predicted he's! LOL....
Chlorine OTOH is what was/is used for decades by those not getting other alternative resources to wash whites acceptably white and stain free, say water hot enough to get detergents or additives working, and no product available today can compete on that, so in giving decent whites in cool or cold as chlorine does.
Chlorine is still the proven weapon for success always and in any conditions when it comes about whites!
Said that, yes it is mainly a matter of water temperature.
Must be said that since the era of TAED, you don't technically need water of or over 140F to get oxy bleaches working, as it was once with plain perborate, much have changed in this sense....
Then... oxi clean, is percarbonate....that is activated in lower temps than perborate, and of course it contains carbonate Mich, since percarbonate is obtained by carbonate being sprayed with peroxide oxy bleach.
As time goes on.....oxi bleaches are getting indispensable in certain cases in modern households and are used either as substiture for hotter washes and or chlorine.
Proof of it (and the comparison of the whole oxi stuff bucket vs bleach in the commercial is done for this reason) is that you have many people both down here and in the States who free pour oxi clean, Vanish or percarbonate and peroxide and such for Warm washes of whites as a way to reduce hotter washes needed or chlorine ( because this would result in them having to do separate washes for items to be bleached or washes in hotter water), let alone that in the US now many modern machines won't even allow a decent hot wash because of dumbed temps .. but the fact of adding Oxy stuff, along with liquid peroxide products " alternative liquid bleaches" is done for many reasons togheter but with in common one reason, so when there's the impossibility or lack of will to wash on higher temps or use chlorine bleach...as I was saying it is mainly because of the fact that many modern textiles won't stand hotter washes than just warm (30-40 celsius)....and many also won't stand chlorine bleach... and people given all the different types of textiles available today don't actually want or have time to divide clothes based on temperatures anymore, many do not even divide colors from whites except for dark ones (and that always leaves me stunned) they'll do synthetics, lycra... whatever except woolens or silk... in the same white load at the lowest temp indicated by the most "delicate" garment in the load, so they will more simply crack down the temperature knob to warm (30c-40c) and load the wash solution with the myriad of additives (percarbonates or blends of Percarbonate and enzymes) you have availbale to guarantee what you'd get with an hotter temp, this is done even because, many folks goes with liquids and as every liquids they likely miss the oxy bleaching component...it will work to some extent, better than detergent alone (both powders or liquids) for sure given the increased oxidating ingredients in that water temp... but better than bleach? I'd be prone to say no at first... But there is not a clear answer as it's all related to temps...It actually depends... and also on what you mean for better given the downsides.
Oxy additives needs hotter temperaratures to work vs chlorine, so it's not like that if you pour a whole bucket of oxy clean in cool it will work more just because is a whole bucket, in cool it's not activated, actually you almost waisted all of it, you cannot expect oxi clean to work in cool or cold like that, chlorine OTOH works virtually in any temps from cool to hot and it's action is quicker than oxy stuff, let's say almost immediate.., oxy stuff not, but as you increase the temperature just of a few dickers from say 15 degrees to 30-40, here oxy power will be incredibly enhanced vs what it does (better say doesn't) in cold and the more you put, the more oxidating power you have as for increasing the temp....
So if you put a whole oxi clean bucket in cold, it will not work as chlorine bleach does even if it is 3 buckets, but as you increase the temp, it will change like night and day.
Not sure if that is enough to claim that "clorox removes stains better than oxi clean" that translates in "chlorine removes stains better than percarbonate or perborate, peroxide".
They're 2 different things, one requires other conditions than the other (water hotter), then it will work...
Proof: Try either pour chlorine or spreading paste or pour a concentrated solution of oxy clean on the same stain at room temp, bleach will remove it faster almost immdediately, but try now pouring oxi clean paste or even a peroxide solution with hotter water like 60c or more degrees...it will do similarly of what chlorine does at room temp,it may require slightly more than chlorine anyway, true...but repeat the same operation day by day, until results reached in both cases, and you'll find an hole in the bleach treated item vs no harm done by percarbonte or peroxide even if you let it one day long ...what is best?
Personally, if I had to, I'd strive to go with oxy bleaches and hot enough water any day vs chlorine, as I have seen what chlorine does to my laundry and textiles (no matter antichlor or acid rinse product, damage happens in the wash time) versus whatever oxy bleach does, I'd avoid chlorine like plague...In my case chlorine bleach ruins laundry, and I never had any laundry ruined by anything else, products or procedure...but again, not needing anything else than detergent, having water hot enough and good machines this does not touch me minimally.
Some people though, still like to use bleach and find it needed for some reasons as I said... many likes to add it even just for sanification beliefs...
The only times I use bleach on clothes are the extremely rare times some sorts of colored items ends in a white wash by error ie Red sock turning everything pink (it never happens as I am pretty careful) or when I home dye dark colors to lighter ones, ie blue to dark green or red....but even there, I prefer using professional dye removers such as sodium hydrosulphite etc, even though more expensive than chlorine, these are ingredients found also in many laundry whiteners like Biancofà, lavasbianca or the spanish "Blanco nuclear"..... all alternatives to chlorine bleach, the downside of these products is that they smell like sewers and sulfur....but at least they don't damage textiles as chlorine bleach does.
Anyway, in conclusion:
Sure is one thing...if you want or have to do whites in cold or cool, nothing beats bleach for price and effectiveness.... but again not sure if that is enough to say that chlorine eliminates stains better than oxi clean....it eliminates them better*
*In any wash conditions.
[this post was last edited: 8/6/2014-13:18]
