A couple of people on Gardenweb have recent (not sure whether electronic controls) SQ FL's that never add more water after the initial fill. Wash results are less than satisfactory. I say they've got to be broken, but one of them was told by SQ that it's working normally.
Are recent SQ FL's supposed to add more water for larger loads?
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mrb627
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Fill Targets
The SQ FL machines have a set fill target that the tub fills to for each bath. In the event that fabric absorption brings that water level down too low, it will reset the switch to bring the water level back up to the target.
If the original user is complaining about cleaning results, I would look at other culprits before blaming the water level, IMO.
Malcolm
The SQ FL machines have a set fill target that the tub fills to for each bath. In the event that fabric absorption brings that water level down too low, it will reset the switch to bring the water level back up to the target.
If the original user is complaining about cleaning results, I would look at other culprits before blaming the water level, IMO.
Malcolm
Thanks Malcolm. Maybe John L. can chime in about the latest models, and confirm that they work the same way, and are broken if not. There's a claim on Gardenweb that the new SQ FL models are "less flexible" in how they fill. I hate to see stuff that gives people ammunition to claim that front loaders don't wash right...though I'm convinced that is true of some of them, hopefully Speed Queen isn't among them.
My answer to you is:
If the load is very large and the water has saturated the load, there may be a water limit sensor if the basket drops down to a certain perimeter saying I'm satisfied and I will not add no more water!
On my Lux, if the water level is 1/2 inch above the lower door gasket, the door will lock and stay lock until pump out.
It's a safety feature so the same theory may apply to SQ.
If the load is very large and the water has saturated the load, there may be a water limit sensor if the basket drops down to a certain perimeter saying I'm satisfied and I will not add no more water!
On my Lux, if the water level is 1/2 inch above the lower door gasket, the door will lock and stay lock until pump out.
It's a safety feature so the same theory may apply to SQ.
stricklybojack
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We recently bought the FL SQ for my mother. When you wash a load you see very little water through the window. I think most people (Americans at least) are accustomed to TL machines from childhood, as I am, and think something is wrong with the FL machine when they don't see a lot of water.
I wouldn't mind if it had a little more aqua drama but this SQ machine only received a "silver" water efficiency rating and thus didn't qualify for a rebate in San Diego, which required a "gold" water saving rating. I have to think that Speed Queen would have pushed for less water use and a higher rating if they didn't care about their customers but just wanted to sell more product. As it is, it seems they likely went for what works best with today's detergents and typical fabrics in this machine; less than what would be visually appealing but more than what the highest water saving rating requires.[this post was last edited: 12/6/2015-21:11]
We recently bought the FL SQ for my mother. When you wash a load you see very little water through the window. I think most people (Americans at least) are accustomed to TL machines from childhood, as I am, and think something is wrong with the FL machine when they don't see a lot of water.
I wouldn't mind if it had a little more aqua drama but this SQ machine only received a "silver" water efficiency rating and thus didn't qualify for a rebate in San Diego, which required a "gold" water saving rating. I have to think that Speed Queen would have pushed for less water use and a higher rating if they didn't care about their customers but just wanted to sell more product. As it is, it seems they likely went for what works best with today's detergents and typical fabrics in this machine; less than what would be visually appealing but more than what the highest water saving rating requires.[this post was last edited: 12/6/2015-21:11]
OK, but those two guys say their SQ FL's never add more water after the initial fill, no matter what the load is.
SQ FL Water Fill
I've had mine for about 4 months and am pretty happy with it. It's right out side my home office, so I get to hear it operate whether I want to or not. It has refilled a number of times once the clothes are saturated, The refills usually happen when I run a load of towels.
I've had mine for about 4 months and am pretty happy with it. It's right out side my home office, so I get to hear it operate whether I want to or not. It has refilled a number of times once the clothes are saturated, The refills usually happen when I run a load of towels.
mark_wpduet
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Over the energy star years
I have been lead to believe, based on what I have read on forums over the years) that the energy star rating is based on the normal cycle (which most people use), correct? Am I also correct that the manufacturers can add cycles that use much more water, (as long as it's not the normal cycle) and it can still be an super efficient energy star rated machine? Am I correct in this? Or no?
If I am correct, I would think SQ or any other manufacturer (some do) add cycles that the user can have much more water if they choose.
I have been lead to believe, based on what I have read on forums over the years) that the energy star rating is based on the normal cycle (which most people use), correct? Am I also correct that the manufacturers can add cycles that use much more water, (as long as it's not the normal cycle) and it can still be an super efficient energy star rated machine? Am I correct in this? Or no?
If I am correct, I would think SQ or any other manufacturer (some do) add cycles that the user can have much more water if they choose.
each manufacturer has a variety of different options or cycles, some use more water than others.....
as for energy start ratings, I have learned the more energy efficient, the less water it uses, or in fact, temps dubbed down really far.......those usually fell in a term they were using as 'Tiers', the higher the number, usually 1, 2, or 3....
my Frigidaire is a Tier 3, not having a clue at the time that it meant the energy savings was on water consumption, not that the machine operated using less energy itself...now I know better.....
I have adapted it to add more water on its own......but todays Flers are based on concentrated handwashing, in a lather of suds equal to washing your hands.....several rinses, although what may seem anemic by our standards, most machines complete this by saturation only and expelling water.....as much as we want badly to see splashing water, and hate to admit it, these machines do function rather well.....if you leave them alone to do their job.......
some things were just not going to get used to.....
as for energy start ratings, I have learned the more energy efficient, the less water it uses, or in fact, temps dubbed down really far.......those usually fell in a term they were using as 'Tiers', the higher the number, usually 1, 2, or 3....
my Frigidaire is a Tier 3, not having a clue at the time that it meant the energy savings was on water consumption, not that the machine operated using less energy itself...now I know better.....
I have adapted it to add more water on its own......but todays Flers are based on concentrated handwashing, in a lather of suds equal to washing your hands.....several rinses, although what may seem anemic by our standards, most machines complete this by saturation only and expelling water.....as much as we want badly to see splashing water, and hate to admit it, these machines do function rather well.....if you leave them alone to do their job.......
some things were just not going to get used to.....
Mark you may be correct about the "Normal / Cotton's" cycle being the "Energy Star" test for Front Loaders.
On my LG4270HWA the "Normal/Cotton" cycle uses a fair amount of water for the wash but only does one deep rinse. It does spray rinse during the first and final spin. Does a great job at rinsing with only the one deep rinse. You can add up to 3 rinses in the Normal / Cotton.
On the "Towels" cycle it uses a lot of water for the wash. Lot's of water drama! And the Towels cycles has 3 deep rinses by default! The Towels cycle would not be a good test for the "Energy Star" rating.
On my LG4270HWA the "Normal/Cotton" cycle uses a fair amount of water for the wash but only does one deep rinse. It does spray rinse during the first and final spin. Does a great job at rinsing with only the one deep rinse. You can add up to 3 rinses in the Normal / Cotton.
On the "Towels" cycle it uses a lot of water for the wash. Lot's of water drama! And the Towels cycles has 3 deep rinses by default! The Towels cycle would not be a good test for the "Energy Star" rating.
mark_wpduet
The current (I think) clothes washer test procedure says:
1.7 Energy test cycle for a basic model means (A) the cycle recommended by the manufacturer for washing cotton or linen clothes, and includes all wash/rinse temperature selections and water levels offered in that cycle, and (B) for each other wash/rinse temperature selection or water level available on that basic model, the portion(s) of other cycle(s) with that temperature selection or water level that, when tested pursuant to these test procedures, will contribute to an accurate representation of the energy consumption of the basic model as used by consumers.
The current (I think) clothes washer test procedure says:
1.7 Energy test cycle for a basic model means (A) the cycle recommended by the manufacturer for washing cotton or linen clothes, and includes all wash/rinse temperature selections and water levels offered in that cycle, and (B) for each other wash/rinse temperature selection or water level available on that basic model, the portion(s) of other cycle(s) with that temperature selection or water level that, when tested pursuant to these test procedures, will contribute to an accurate representation of the energy consumption of the basic model as used by consumers.
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