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I finally got my detergents and pit them against my arsenal: Tide Powder and Tide w/Bleach Alternative. Ariel Colour Excel Gel was the best on colors, Ariel Bio on lights and whites. Produced little to no suds, while Tide is horrible in that category. I'll keep using Ariel Bio and Colour Excel Gel, as it permanently joins my group, which includes both Tides, Downy Total Care, Spray n Wash Max, 2x Ultra Clorox 2, 2x Concentrated Woolite HE and Shout Color Catcher sheets.

P.S. I'm going to buy a new washer this week, replacing me old Kenmore stackable. It's between a Maytag Epic or if I can get it, an Electrolux.
 
It seems odd that P&G don't just use the Ariel European formulas for Tide HE given that they own both products and the European versions would more than comply with US environmental legislation.
 
mrx

It does seem strange, especially considering that Ariel in the US doesn't seem to be very good, whereas over here it is one of the best detergents I know.

Maybe it's because the self-heating market in the US is still so tiny? Nearly all FLs in the States are filled with tap water and only the most expensive have the timed enzyme activation programs we take for granted over here. This would surely have a major effect on the way detergents are formulated?

I do know that the '58/'59 Tragimatic (and she's pank) does beartifully with the no-suds Persil Universal Tabs I bring over from Germany.
 
TOL European detergents also work pretty damn well on very short "quick wash" type programmes too though without the enzyme profile washes.

E.g. our Aqualtis does a 30 min programme which does a 30C wash, 2 X rinses (or a 3rd optional) and a decent spin - both Ariel and Persil powders perform excellently in that cycle.

I get similarly good results in the even shorter 15 min cycle on a Bosch Logixx 8

So, I really can't see why they wouldn't work well on a US machine.

Self-heating enzyme activation does improve things, but even so, it ought to work quite well in a normal US machine too.
 
MRX!
I have to agree with you. Having owned both brands they might use there majorly sucessful brand in europes formulation!

And on a side note! Lucky you using a bosch logixx 8! Is this yours??!

Darren
 
Yeah, the Bosch Logixx 8 is quite good, although to be honest I do not like the control panel at all.

Downsides:
1) It selects 1200rpm spin by default on almost all cycles, so you have to press the spin speed selector umpteen times to get up to 1600rpm.
2) Cottons cycles seem to pick 60C by default!

Other than that it's pretty good. I just would prefer if it selected 40C by default and let you move up/down and automatically picked max spin on cottons cycles.

Nice machine though, washes and rinses VERY well.

Compared to the Aqualtis though its quite noisy as Bosch still use universal motors rather than inverter controlled AC motors like the Aqualtis or many other high end machines.

That being said, for a universal motor, the Bosch model isn't particularly noisy, just still has that jet taking off style spin, much like the classic mieles.
 
Bosch Logixx 8

Hi mrx,
Yes the Bosch Logixx 8 seems to be a very good machine and very quiet for a Universal Motor machine, but it lacks the refinement the Inverter Induction Motor delivers during spin. I like the quiet hum produced by the Bosch during tumbles, it kind of reminds me of the Philco Bendix machines of the 80's and 90's.

Happy washing.

David
 
What One Must Understand About P&G Detergents

Such as Tide, and it is probably true for many other products, P&G does not simply produce one version of Tide detergent on their own. If one examines any MSDS for a P&G product, such as Tide detergent, it is made quite clear each formula covers a wide range of products.

Tide "2X" liquid detergents, for "HE", Simple Pleasures, Regular, and so forth are all the same basic formula, with slight variations to allow for colouring, scent (or absence thereof), and so forth.

P&G is not going to build nor retool any of their factories merely to produce one variety of detergent (Ariel), nor are they going to incurr the shippng and import costs (not to mention package redesign costs), to bring the UK Ariel into the US.

The current North American version of Ariel, is a product also sold as "ACE" laundry detergent, which P&G rolled out nationally to hopefully cash in on the Hispanic market loyalty to the Mexcican version, which cannot be sold in most of the US because of phosphates. P&G was also trying to head off the various importers and stores selling the Mexican version in the US, causing it no end of troubles with tree-huggers and the rest, who believed P&G was behind things.

While many have received great results using European detergents in the US, it is important to remember these products are designed and tested for soil, water and other conditions in their designated markets. No major company is going to roll out a product that has not been very well tested for the American consumer (P&G spends vast sums testing all versions of Tide, in all areas of the country).

Besides, according to most consumer testing, reports and sales, Tide detergents are already number one in market share and performance in the United States. Why eat one's own young, so to speak by bringing in competiton from overseas?
 
Aqualtis and Logixx 8

Hi @ all,
can't resist ... have some curiousities about these washers ;-)

Aqualtis - how does it spin ? just distribution then gradually ramps up to the selected speed without pausing or has it intervalled spins like the mieles ?

Logixx 8 - My brother & S.I.L. were about to buy it before marrying. But .. touching it by hand, as they felt drum holes being too sharp, they switched to the honeycomb drum (W3264)...
Have you ever had any issue with "sharp" holes and very light, delicate fabrics ?

15-minute-programmes. Now even latest aqualties and Time Manager zanussies have them. Do they really perform as well as the mielish mini/express ?

T.i.a.
Carlo
 
ACE

Here in Italy ACE has ever been the most famous LCB. So, when P&G began to sell ACE powder detergent, they had some problems, as people were assuming it contained CB. So they went on with Dash and Ariel. So here ACE is LCB, LOxyB and oxyBpowders. CB powders are used only to sanify swimming pools

ages ago we'd SURF too. It came into odd "tea bags" you had to put in the drum with the clothes. As it became no more "trendy", it disappeared
 
Spoodles

Yes,luv, P&G does sell a detergent called "Ariel" in the United States, but shouldn't get your hopes up comparing it to the UK version.

Tried a box when it was first launched, and it was simply dreadful, IMHO. Cleaning performance no better than many middle shelf brands, and a horrible and powerful scent that gave one migraines. Even wrapped in two bin liners, the scent pervaded the laundry area, and thus the entire kitchen. Indeed even the bin liners became contaminated with the scent.

Ended up chucking the box into the rubbish, nearly full.
 
Differences

I've also tried US Ariel. I like MX and UK Ariel, but the US version didn't wow me. It was stronger than Gain and Suavitel combined. Okay, I have a question: What is causing my HE detergent to sud like a traditional? Is Colorado water hard or soft? What would work in soft and what would work in hard?
 
Like I Said

P&G built their "Tide HE" formulas on the same base as other versions of the same product, thus the surfactants are not purely low to no foaming. More likely than not they did tweak some things and bunged in a bit of foam controlling agents (just); but as anyone who has used either liquid or powder Tide HE can tell you, the stuff WILL cause tons of foam if incorrectly dosed.

IIRC, European detergents, besides using foam control agents, most use low to no foaming surfactants, which cuts things to the chase from the start.

All of my European detergents rinse much cleaner than anything I've ever tried from the United States. Normally by the second or third (out of five) rinses in the Miele, the water is clear.
 
Launderess, ta luv!

I take it they don't promote this Ariel then? Is it a bit like US Bold in that respect? I did see a small box of Ariel when I was in NY, next to the usual Tide etc., in a small grocery store. It looked like the old design UK packaging, but I just assumed it was Mexican as I'd never heard of a US one. (I wish I'd bought it now!)

I took a look at P&G's US MSDS info and saw there are a few variants of Ariel (& Ace) listed.

If anyone has a photo of it, please post! :-)
 
If the box was sort of green colour, then yes that was the "US" Ariel.

Tried to find a snap online, but kept coming up with the Mexican version.

Yes, as with all things P&G, Ariel formula is also several other detergents as well, including "ACE".

Bold detergent, at least back in it's day was a great product and very well promoted. Had great ad spots featuring a child known as the "Bold One", because of his tendency to be the most messy of a woman's brood. Vintage Bold detergent had a very nice scent as well.
 
Bold and another, Dash

Throughout my childhood it was Tide, Clorox Detergent, Dash and Bold 3, which became what is now Bold Plus. Still around, but it's hard to find, now that Tide has it's own and powders are slowly going away. The last time I used Bold: when I lived in Atlanta in 2006.
 
Box Ariel was here for a while couple/three years ago, but no longer. Bag Ariel (which I assume is Mexican) is still plentiful.

I've found that while Tide HE powder does generate some suds, it's of a lighter consistency and dissipates quickly when mechanical action stops.
 

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