Ariston/Hotpoint Aqualtis Wool Platinum Care Wash.. Very interesting!

[jwilson00]

Turbidity Sensors

Does anyone have any experience with these sensors and when exactly they activate?
Reason i ask is my AEG LL1620 is meant to have one of the sensors but sometimes i really wonder whether it does or not and how sensitive it actually is.
As standard mine will do two rinses like most other machines but extra rinse options are available, but what is the point if the washer is meant to detect how cloudy the water is. Since i've had my AEG i have never seen it decide to add another rinse.
Also there is nothing in the manual that states that the machine has the sensor so my only guess is that they have decided not to put the sensor in the UK version but have still decided to say that they have on their website and product information, which it seems electrolux do alot.

 

[logixx]

Turbidity sensor vs. suds sensor

Did AEG ever put turbidity sensors in their washers? Maybe your washer "just" has a suds detection sensor like most other washers. It'll only activate in the case of oversudsing during the cycle but won't do anything if the rinse water isn't clear.

 

[jwilson00]

Hi logixx,

Yep its definately a turbidity sensor, in their brochure on page 8/9 its says, turbidity sensor " This measures the clarity of the rinse water. If turbidity is dectected then an extra rinse is automatically addded in to give perfect rinse results."

If the washer does get a suds lock the only thing it does differently is pause on the intern spin for a few minutes and try try again until the foam has gone. Other things which are strange if you use time saver with sensitve rinse, you get three high level rinses, but use sensitve without time saver and you'll get three low level rinses, why it does this is a mystery

 

[newwave1]

My hotpoint WT960 performs great with 2 rinses, The 1200rpm spin between the rinses really shifts the residue!

The good thing is you can select an extra rinse while its performing the first rinse, so if things are getting abit hectic in the suds department you can add the extra rinse! I always do extra rinse for bulky loads like towels!

Darren

 

[rolls_rapide]

Suds...

Does anyone think that laundry detergent manufacturers should be trying to create ultra-low foaming versions of detergents, now that we have machines that wash in puddles of water?

I know we have 'automatic/high efficiency' detergents for front-loaders, but I was thinking along the lines of dishwasher detergents being ultra-ultra low foaming.

In my experience, if you try to use the manufacturers' minimum "recommended" dose, the foam has a hell-of-a-job being rinsed away, particularly in towel loads.

 

[Bearpeter]

Rolls Rapide

I think you may have a point there...
I always used Ariel tabs in my AEG 168100.
That was until Jon Lavamat told me to try Persil powder. What a difference. Much less unclean smell after washes with extra rinse used!!! I think they maybe need to look at todays washers and sort out their products accordingly!
Peter

 

[MrX]

Unilever Persil Powder (or Omo in other markets in Europe) meets that criteria

 

[MrX]

Unilever Persil

I've been finding that Unilever Persil also out performs Ariel in many ways. Much of the Ariel "fresh clean" effect seems to rely on leaving a very pungent smell on the fabric. Even after 4 or 5 rinses, you can still smell it really strongly on your clothes.

I find Persil cleans just as well, if not better, particularly on oil splashes (e.g. salad dressing). Persil has removed those on a very short 30C wash, while Ariel has left traces.

The clothes come out smelling clean and not heavily perfumed. It does have a slight fragrance, but it's nothing like the smell of Ariel! If you leave a box of that stuff in a room you can smell it when you walk in, and that's without even opening it!! It's not a floral scent like what has been described for South American products, rather it's a kind of citrus/pine or slightly herbal aroma. It's very distinctively Ariel. It's not unpleasant and it does smell "clean" but I just think it's very unnecessary.

Persil's smell is not floral either and is quite subtle. It's closer to the scent you'd get in a shower gel or a shampoo and it doesn't really linger on the clothes strongly.

Their S&M liquids smell very like a non-floral shower gel / shampoo. Slightly citrus / herbal. I would rate them as having the best scent of any of the detergents on the market here. It's fresh and pleasant but not overpowering.

Older Ariel formulations were not as heavily perfumed, yet had a distinctive scent which I actually liked. The new formulation scent is just not my cup of tea at all.

As for rinsing :

Persil - after one rinse + interim spin on the second rinse the water runs clear.
Ariel takes at least 3 rinses and interim spins for that result.

Foaming:

Ariel - foams quite a bit
Persil - you'll see little/no foam during the wash.

Cleaning:
Both provide excellent results.
Persil performs better on oil/grease/makeup/cosmetic marks.

Also, I tend to use non-bleaching detergents i.e. colour forumulations more than 'universal' formulations.

Persil Colour definitely performs better.
Ariel Colour and Style is, in my experience, second best.

Also, possibly because it rinses so well, Persil seems to leave clothes much softer. E.g. if I tumble dry towels after washing in Persil Powder they come out very fluffy where as if I do the same with Ariel they're definitely a little 'stiffer'.

Also, Ariel Colour smells quite different to the normal version of Ariel with oxygen bleach. The Colour version's smell is a lot more acceptable in my opinion. I find the normal version a bit too overpowering.

 

[rolls_rapide]

mrx

It's funny you should say that Ariel Colour was more pleasing to the nose than regular Ariel; I agree.

I don't know who is running the fragrance dept of P&G's detergents, but they must be a bunch of loonies - remember less is more, in terms of fragrances.

As for stiff laundry: I have found that using Procter & Gamble detergents, Ariel tablets or Daz powder, they tend to leave a powdery feel to the tumble drier filter. This is probably the zeolite content (Bring back PHOSPHATES!!!).

 

[rolls_rapide]

mrx

I agree about the Ariel powder acting as a room 'freshener', and so do my parents. They couldn't stand the smell when it was changed a couple of years ago.

The stench was quite overpowering.

 

[MrX]

Ariel Tabs - Suds city!

Just did a wash at 60C in a Miele (older style non honeycomb) with 2 Ariel tabs and a fairly small load of cottons.

The suds completely covered the glass!!!!

That's following the P&G dosing guidelines for Ariel tabs..

Even 1 tab will give a suds half-way up the door result and the wash results are much poorer when things get that over foamed.

 

[lavamat_jon]

I guess it depends on your water, but I've been using Ariel tablets for the past few months now and haven't had any sudsing issues like I used to with them... perform as well as Persil too, if not slightly better!

Jon

 

[platinum6]

Wow!

Sounds like an amazing washing action for woolens, I wish every washing machine did that, sounds like great fun lol.

It kinda reminds me of Powerstream, a feature that was on my old Hotpoint Aquarius Extra WMA34P, going into distribute speed anti-clockwise during the main wash on cottons programmes. It didn't do it on the woolens programme though.

My Miele on the wool programme lasts only 40 minutes at either 40C, 30C or cold wash temperatures. It uses low level water throughout and it only tumbles intermittently so that makes it somewhat dull to watch. It does 2 rinses, interim spins after the main wash and 1st rinse and a final spin at 1200RPM but no anti-crease tumble after it's finished.

What I'm saying simply is that woolen washing actions vary from different brands but still cares for them in the best way possible.

The wool programme is a different on my Miele as it is on the Hotpoint Aqualtis. If I had the latter, I'd be using that programme all the time lol.

 

[MrX]

What I find impressive is that the clothes seem to come out softer and smelling much better than they have done in other machine (including Miele) that I have used.

Basically, the Aqualitis forces a lot of water through the clothes without damaging them.

You don't get that "wet wool" smell, rather you get a clean clothes smell at the end.

I doubt any of the wool cycles are much good at removing heavy staining though as you can't really use tough detergents on wool. They really just freshen things up and remove any body odours or other odours present in the clothes and light soil.

If you've bad stains on a light coloured woolen item dry cleaning's often to best option as the solvents can remove the stain without any detergent action. That being said, even dry cleaning can eventually cause wool to become brittle by removing all the oils.

IF you are doing wool washes, use woolite (with ceremides, like hair conditioner) and then use a good quality fabric softener to keep the fibers in good condition.

 

[MrX]

If they're REALLY delicate, wash by hand with good quality shampoo !

 

[dj-gabriele]

Shampoo??? Like in hair shampoo???!?!?!
*jaws dropping*

I know about dry-cleaning, eventually (will take more than a decade in my experience) it will make the germent brittle, but what about wearing it? And besides good laundires use a wool additive, it's like a conditoner to preserve the softness.

 

[mielabor]

Shampoo?

Why not, wool is hair after all.

 

[MrX]

If you really want to look after your woolens, use L'Oriel, Tresemme, Pantene etc!
I wouldn't suggest machine washing with them, but if you just lather, rinse, repeat and condition, you really can't go too far wrong!

Wool is indeed just sheep hair. It appreciates a good shampoo!

Actually, hair shampoo is also fantastic for silk too!

You just wet the fabric throughly, put a dollop on and work it. You don't need to soak it in water.

Then just rinse by flushing through with plenty of water e.g. using the shower.

It works wonders!!

 

[dj-gabriele]

Ok, you bought me... I'm going to wash one of my pullovers with Nivea straight silk shampo and conditioner... let's see what happens!

 

[zanussi_lover]

Ariel powder

I agree, the ariel scent is absolutely vile, it smells like cheap pine disinfectant mixed with curry powder, did you know that ariel colour smells exactly the same as ariel biological did before they changed it,

when i am doing laundry at uni, if i get a wiff of ariel biological i cough and sneeze.

Persil is exceptional, i like the powder and the gel tablets, though i can't use the gel tablets here as they don't dissolve in the speed queen FLs in the launderette.

I really like the scent of asdas powder and tablet detergents, their bio powder reminds me of persil automatic in the early 90's.

regarding scents, i agree that P&G should be focusing on actual cleansing of garments and stain removal rather than strong fragrances.

I'm currently using Daz liquid, very vintage subtle scent yet very good cleaning. i still prefer pouring liquid on the stain and rubbing it in before i put the ball into the heart of the wash. it works best for me in the uni washers because of the very quick cycles and there is no prewash.

 

[logixx]

No prewash?

So do you have the Speed Queens with only four cycles? Ours have five cycles + prewash (SWFX74 series).

Regarding scent and Ariel: I'm using Ariel liquitabs for the prewash, Ariel powder in the main wash and both about three caps of Lenor concentrate and still - once the clothes are finished drying there's hardly any smell left! I don't get it.

 

[zanussi_lover]

yeah

i thought the plus button was an extra rinse cycle but now i know that its a prewash button lol

i find liquid works best in the speed queens

 

[MrX]

Perhaps German P&G Ariel is a totally different scent formula then?

The UK/Ireland version is very heavily scented indeed

 

[logixx]

Perhaps German P&G Ariel is a totally different scent formul

Don't quite know. I've never (or rarely) had any detergent smell left on my clothes when doing laundry back home using Ariel powder or liquid. However, I've found Persil Gel for Colors' scent (by Henkel) to be very strong.

Here in the UK it doesn't really matter what I use: those Speed Queen dryers are excellent at removing any type of scent. Must have used about a 100 ml of Comfort Sweet Almond Conditioning Crème for the last load and still... nada. Well, at least the steam venting from the dryer made the accommodation's parking-lot smell great :-/

 

[MrX]

Persil Liquids / Gels

The Unilever Persil Liquids and Gels do smell quite strong, but their powders are extremely lightly scented compared to P&G.

I still prefer the smell of Persil Liquid to Ariel powder though. It's just a subjective thing, but I find it a lot more pleasant to the nose!

However, if you wash with Persil Powders, at least you just have a "clean clothes" smell rather than a fake pine cone This seems to be the result of washing with Ariel.