hotpointwf220
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and don't forget you get this from the Ultima WT960/5 only as far as i know
Ariston/Hotpoint Aqualtis Wool Platinum Care Wash.. Very interesting!
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chrisbsuk
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my aqualtis is emabrking on a big test at the moment - its now in a house of 4 lads, so its getting hammered with our normal clothes and does our team football and rugby kits twice a week (from matchday and training..)
guess only time will tell!
guess only time will tell!
northernmary
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Hummmmmmmmmmm! Did I hear right four lads Rugby and football kit’s sounds like northern Mary’s? Dreams come true!!!!! Sorry I was away with the fairies just then.
Northernmary x
Northernmary x
hotpoint9534
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My annoyance with the Aqualtis is that they have built in obsolescence. The machines have welded outer tubs, so what are you meant to do when the bearings eventually go? I don't think many people will pay out for a new tub when it's about the same price as a new machine.
At a time when we are supposed to have more concern for the environment and reduce wastage I think Merloni/Indesit should show a bit more concern.
5 years down the line many machines which are perfectly servicable apart from worn bearings will have to be thrown away! Complete and utter madness in my opinion.
Tom.
At a time when we are supposed to have more concern for the environment and reduce wastage I think Merloni/Indesit should show a bit more concern.
5 years down the line many machines which are perfectly servicable apart from worn bearings will have to be thrown away! Complete and utter madness in my opinion.
Tom.
Over on WashertalkUK site they speak of the exact same thing!
Apparently while a great machine from a cycle point of view, these washers have a sealed tub which means once anything major like the bearings go, that is the end of that. However in Hotpoint's defence the machine does have a five year warranty.
Lots of people over on WashertalkUK, who happen to be repair persons/appliance hobbists like ourselves say the same thing. With all the noise about being "green" and protecting the planet and it's resources, what is the good of building appliances that will break down in about five or six years and require chucking out and replacement. To be fair, many UK and European countries now require appliances to be recycled, and even if not mandatory, many are; still.
Apparently while a great machine from a cycle point of view, these washers have a sealed tub which means once anything major like the bearings go, that is the end of that. However in Hotpoint's defence the machine does have a five year warranty.
Lots of people over on WashertalkUK, who happen to be repair persons/appliance hobbists like ourselves say the same thing. With all the noise about being "green" and protecting the planet and it's resources, what is the good of building appliances that will break down in about five or six years and require chucking out and replacement. To be fair, many UK and European countries now require appliances to be recycled, and even if not mandatory, many are; still.
Sorry
Site is Washerhelp,not Washertalk
www.washerhelp.co.uk
Site is Washerhelp,not Washertalk
Is Hotpoint Aqualtis "super quiet"?
I was just looking for some opinions on the new Hotpoint Aqualtis range. I'm needing to get a new washing machine and really like the look of these and the fact that they are advertised as "super quiet". The problem is that, as they are new, there doesn't appear to be any reviews on the web, incl...
Just be warned : you need to activate the 5 year parts warranty by calling the number listed for the UK or Republic of Ireland! It's free to activate, but they register your name, DOB and the machine's model no, cost, etc
I took an optional extended warranty with the store too. They cover all repairs and replacement of the machine with a new equivalent should the repair value exceed its value.
Also, under Irish consumer protection law, you're entitled to a lot more than a 12 month statutory guarantee. Any product is expect, by law, to have a reasonable life span. 12 months would more than likely be considered too short for a pricy washing machine. So, if the manufacturer / retailer fails to provide service you can take them to small claims court for the full cost of the repairs / machine.
I took an optional extended warranty with the store too. They cover all repairs and replacement of the machine with a new equivalent should the repair value exceed its value.
Also, under Irish consumer protection law, you're entitled to a lot more than a 12 month statutory guarantee. Any product is expect, by law, to have a reasonable life span. 12 months would more than likely be considered too short for a pricy washing machine. So, if the manufacturer / retailer fails to provide service you can take them to small claims court for the full cost of the repairs / machine.
Just to be fair, it has been disucssed over on Washerhelp as here; laundry appliance makers are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they build them "like they used to", consumers balk at the costs, and look to lower priced machines. If they try to give away the store, their stock price gets hammered and heads roll. Either way not a pretty picture.
As I've often said, many of the appliance greats saw the writing on the wall from the late 1960's or so: major appliances were moving towards, and indeed probably have reached a mature stage in the market cycle. No longer are washing machines, dishwashers, dryers, etc a luxury; but a comfort that everyone can afford (thanks to easy credit). There simply isn't a point from many appliance maker's point of view to knock themselves out on quality when regardless of how the thing is built, it will probably be chucked out or otherwise disposed of within 10 years as people want something "new" or move.
Commercial laundry appliances, for the most part have held standards, but then again they have to, don't they? No laundry owner is going to plunk down several thousands for a machine that will constantly break down and or end up as rubbish within five years.
L.
As I've often said, many of the appliance greats saw the writing on the wall from the late 1960's or so: major appliances were moving towards, and indeed probably have reached a mature stage in the market cycle. No longer are washing machines, dishwashers, dryers, etc a luxury; but a comfort that everyone can afford (thanks to easy credit). There simply isn't a point from many appliance maker's point of view to knock themselves out on quality when regardless of how the thing is built, it will probably be chucked out or otherwise disposed of within 10 years as people want something "new" or move.
Commercial laundry appliances, for the most part have held standards, but then again they have to, don't they? No laundry owner is going to plunk down several thousands for a machine that will constantly break down and or end up as rubbish within five years.
L.
hotpoint9534
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It is my opinion that it is peoples' attitudes that need to change when it comes to choosing to repair or replace. But how can these attitudes change if the manufacturers aren't prepared to be proactive and make the things repairable? The whole thing is a vicious circle.
Fair enough there's the fact that many appliances are now recycled, but it still requires alot of energy and resources to manufacture and transport the things in the first place does it not?
I'm not sure that the wanting something 'new' aspect is always commonplace, I know plenty of people who would still have older machines repaired if it was economical to do so.
Finally, putting a few bolts on a tub to allow bearing replacement would cost only a few pounds more than welding the thing together at the most. Any manufacturer who still takes pride in making a quality product over profits will realise this.
Certain Italian manufacturers in particular seem far more concerned with profit and design than actually turning out a quality product, have they no shame at all? Money isn't everything is it?!
Tom
Fair enough there's the fact that many appliances are now recycled, but it still requires alot of energy and resources to manufacture and transport the things in the first place does it not?
I'm not sure that the wanting something 'new' aspect is always commonplace, I know plenty of people who would still have older machines repaired if it was economical to do so.
Finally, putting a few bolts on a tub to allow bearing replacement would cost only a few pounds more than welding the thing together at the most. Any manufacturer who still takes pride in making a quality product over profits will realise this.
Certain Italian manufacturers in particular seem far more concerned with profit and design than actually turning out a quality product, have they no shame at all? Money isn't everything is it?!
Tom
MrX
I have an Indesit still under warranty and the most basic model (not through my choice).
My issue is the rinsing.
Whist it uses water up to one third on the porthole, it only does 2 rinses. Even with a half load of cottons, I have to put the load through a second set of 2 rinses to achieve a decent result.
If I have done a large load of whites, (not even the machines 5KG maximum) I sometimes have to do 6 rinses in all!
My 4 year old AEG washer dryer can deal much better with less water over 4 rinses and high spins on cottons than the indesit.
IN my opinion.... not impressed with Indesit unless you do an extra rinse cycle with 2 rinses almost every time. This way, I get the result I would expect.
As far as Miele is concerned.
I had a commercial Miele WS5425 (i think).
On the wool cycle it filled with about 2 inches showing at the bottom of the drum on both the wash cycle and rinse cycles. It then would turn the drum full circle once per minute and that rythm would carry on throughout the programme. Not good at rinsing, which in my opinion is pretty important for woolies. They should be washed gently and rinsed quickly and thoroughly. The programme was very inadequate, sorry
Peter
I have an Indesit still under warranty and the most basic model (not through my choice).
My issue is the rinsing.
Whist it uses water up to one third on the porthole, it only does 2 rinses. Even with a half load of cottons, I have to put the load through a second set of 2 rinses to achieve a decent result.
If I have done a large load of whites, (not even the machines 5KG maximum) I sometimes have to do 6 rinses in all!
My 4 year old AEG washer dryer can deal much better with less water over 4 rinses and high spins on cottons than the indesit.
IN my opinion.... not impressed with Indesit unless you do an extra rinse cycle with 2 rinses almost every time. This way, I get the result I would expect.
As far as Miele is concerned.
I had a commercial Miele WS5425 (i think).
On the wool cycle it filled with about 2 inches showing at the bottom of the drum on both the wash cycle and rinse cycles. It then would turn the drum full circle once per minute and that rythm would carry on throughout the programme. Not good at rinsing, which in my opinion is pretty important for woolies. They should be washed gently and rinsed quickly and thoroughly. The programme was very inadequate, sorry
Peter
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Miele
Hi Peter,
I have a Miele W3985WPS which is Miele's current top of the line washer it cost me £1300. By default it only does two low level rinses on cottons cycles and to be honest does not rinse at all well unless Water-plus with extra rinse is selected. I have also selected maximum water level rinses in the service menu, this makes the machine fill one third up the door glass during all rinses. I live in a very soft water area so rinsing is much more of a problem here.
I found my Aqualtis (Sadly no longer with me) good at rinsing only needing the extra rinse option on large loads of towels.
It is very unusual to find modern machines that do three rinses, I suppose its European legislation that forces manufacturers hands.
David
Hi Peter,
I have a Miele W3985WPS which is Miele's current top of the line washer it cost me £1300. By default it only does two low level rinses on cottons cycles and to be honest does not rinse at all well unless Water-plus with extra rinse is selected. I have also selected maximum water level rinses in the service menu, this makes the machine fill one third up the door glass during all rinses. I live in a very soft water area so rinsing is much more of a problem here.
I found my Aqualtis (Sadly no longer with me) good at rinsing only needing the extra rinse option on large loads of towels.
It is very unusual to find modern machines that do three rinses, I suppose its European legislation that forces manufacturers hands.
David
Turbidity Sensors
Does anyone have any experience with these sensors and when exactly they activate?
Reason i ask is my AEG LL1620 is meant to have one of the sensors but sometimes i really wonder whether it does or not and how sensitive it actually is.
As standard mine will do two rinses like most other machines but extra rinse options are available, but what is the point if the washer is meant to detect how cloudy the water is. Since i've had my AEG i have never seen it decide to add another rinse.
Also there is nothing in the manual that states that the machine has the sensor so my only guess is that they have decided not to put the sensor in the UK version but have still decided to say that they have on their website and product information, which it seems electrolux do alot.
Does anyone have any experience with these sensors and when exactly they activate?
Reason i ask is my AEG LL1620 is meant to have one of the sensors but sometimes i really wonder whether it does or not and how sensitive it actually is.
As standard mine will do two rinses like most other machines but extra rinse options are available, but what is the point if the washer is meant to detect how cloudy the water is. Since i've had my AEG i have never seen it decide to add another rinse.
Also there is nothing in the manual that states that the machine has the sensor so my only guess is that they have decided not to put the sensor in the UK version but have still decided to say that they have on their website and product information, which it seems electrolux do alot.
Turbidity sensor vs. suds sensor
Did AEG ever put turbidity sensors in their washers? Maybe your washer "just" has a suds detection sensor like most other washers. It'll only activate in the case of oversudsing during the cycle but won't do anything if the rinse water isn't clear.
Did AEG ever put turbidity sensors in their washers? Maybe your washer "just" has a suds detection sensor like most other washers. It'll only activate in the case of oversudsing during the cycle but won't do anything if the rinse water isn't clear.
Hi logixx,
Yep its definately a turbidity sensor, in their brochure on page 8/9 its says, turbidity sensor " This measures the clarity of the rinse water. If turbidity is dectected then an extra rinse is automatically addded in to give perfect rinse results."
If the washer does get a suds lock the only thing it does differently is pause on the intern spin for a few minutes and try try again until the foam has gone. Other things which are strange if you use time saver with sensitve rinse, you get three high level rinses, but use sensitve without time saver and you'll get three low level rinses, why it does this is a mystery
Yep its definately a turbidity sensor, in their brochure on page 8/9 its says, turbidity sensor " This measures the clarity of the rinse water. If turbidity is dectected then an extra rinse is automatically addded in to give perfect rinse results."
If the washer does get a suds lock the only thing it does differently is pause on the intern spin for a few minutes and try try again until the foam has gone. Other things which are strange if you use time saver with sensitve rinse, you get three high level rinses, but use sensitve without time saver and you'll get three low level rinses, why it does this is a mystery
newwave1
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My hotpoint WT960 performs great with 2 rinses, The 1200rpm spin between the rinses really shifts the residue!
The good thing is you can select an extra rinse while its performing the first rinse, so if things are getting abit hectic in the suds department you can add the extra rinse! I always do extra rinse for bulky loads like towels!
Darren
The good thing is you can select an extra rinse while its performing the first rinse, so if things are getting abit hectic in the suds department you can add the extra rinse! I always do extra rinse for bulky loads like towels!
Darren
rolls_rapide
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Suds...
Does anyone think that laundry detergent manufacturers should be trying to create ultra-low foaming versions of detergents, now that we have machines that wash in puddles of water?
I know we have 'automatic/high efficiency' detergents for front-loaders, but I was thinking along the lines of dishwasher detergents being ultra-ultra low foaming.
In my experience, if you try to use the manufacturers' minimum "recommended" dose, the foam has a hell-of-a-job being rinsed away, particularly in towel loads.
Does anyone think that laundry detergent manufacturers should be trying to create ultra-low foaming versions of detergents, now that we have machines that wash in puddles of water?
I know we have 'automatic/high efficiency' detergents for front-loaders, but I was thinking along the lines of dishwasher detergents being ultra-ultra low foaming.
In my experience, if you try to use the manufacturers' minimum "recommended" dose, the foam has a hell-of-a-job being rinsed away, particularly in towel loads.
Rolls Rapide
I think you may have a point there...
I always used Ariel tabs in my AEG 168100.
That was until Jon Lavamat told me to try Persil powder. What a difference. Much less unclean smell after washes with extra rinse used!!! I think they maybe need to look at todays washers and sort out their products accordingly!
Peter
I think you may have a point there...
I always used Ariel tabs in my AEG 168100.
That was until Jon Lavamat told me to try Persil powder. What a difference. Much less unclean smell after washes with extra rinse used!!! I think they maybe need to look at todays washers and sort out their products accordingly!
Peter
Unilever Persil
I've been finding that Unilever Persil also out performs Ariel in many ways. Much of the Ariel "fresh clean" effect seems to rely on leaving a very pungent smell on the fabric. Even after 4 or 5 rinses, you can still smell it really strongly on your clothes.
I find Persil cleans just as well, if not better, particularly on oil splashes (e.g. salad dressing). Persil has removed those on a very short 30C wash, while Ariel has left traces.
The clothes come out smelling clean and not heavily perfumed. It does have a slight fragrance, but it's nothing like the smell of Ariel! If you leave a box of that stuff in a room you can smell it when you walk in, and that's without even opening it!! It's not a floral scent like what has been described for South American products, rather it's a kind of citrus/pine or slightly herbal aroma. It's very distinctively Ariel. It's not unpleasant and it does smell "clean" but I just think it's very unnecessary.
Persil's smell is not floral either and is quite subtle. It's closer to the scent you'd get in a shower gel or a shampoo and it doesn't really linger on the clothes strongly.
Their S&M liquids smell very like a non-floral shower gel / shampoo. Slightly citrus / herbal. I would rate them as having the best scent of any of the detergents on the market here. It's fresh and pleasant but not overpowering.
Older Ariel formulations were not as heavily perfumed, yet had a distinctive scent which I actually liked. The new formulation scent is just not my cup of tea at all.
As for rinsing :
Persil - after one rinse + interim spin on the second rinse the water runs clear.
Ariel takes at least 3 rinses and interim spins for that result.
Foaming:
Ariel - foams quite a bit
Persil - you'll see little/no foam during the wash.
Cleaning:
Both provide excellent results.
Persil performs better on oil/grease/makeup/cosmetic marks.
Also, I tend to use non-bleaching detergents i.e. colour forumulations more than 'universal' formulations.
Persil Colour definitely performs better.
Ariel Colour and Style is, in my experience, second best.
Also, possibly because it rinses so well, Persil seems to leave clothes much softer. E.g. if I tumble dry towels after washing in Persil Powder they come out very fluffy where as if I do the same with Ariel they're definitely a little 'stiffer'.
Also, Ariel Colour smells quite different to the normal version of Ariel with oxygen bleach. The Colour version's smell is a lot more acceptable in my opinion. I find the normal version a bit too overpowering.
I've been finding that Unilever Persil also out performs Ariel in many ways. Much of the Ariel "fresh clean" effect seems to rely on leaving a very pungent smell on the fabric. Even after 4 or 5 rinses, you can still smell it really strongly on your clothes.
I find Persil cleans just as well, if not better, particularly on oil splashes (e.g. salad dressing). Persil has removed those on a very short 30C wash, while Ariel has left traces.
The clothes come out smelling clean and not heavily perfumed. It does have a slight fragrance, but it's nothing like the smell of Ariel! If you leave a box of that stuff in a room you can smell it when you walk in, and that's without even opening it!! It's not a floral scent like what has been described for South American products, rather it's a kind of citrus/pine or slightly herbal aroma. It's very distinctively Ariel. It's not unpleasant and it does smell "clean" but I just think it's very unnecessary.
Persil's smell is not floral either and is quite subtle. It's closer to the scent you'd get in a shower gel or a shampoo and it doesn't really linger on the clothes strongly.
Their S&M liquids smell very like a non-floral shower gel / shampoo. Slightly citrus / herbal. I would rate them as having the best scent of any of the detergents on the market here. It's fresh and pleasant but not overpowering.
Older Ariel formulations were not as heavily perfumed, yet had a distinctive scent which I actually liked. The new formulation scent is just not my cup of tea at all.
As for rinsing :
Persil - after one rinse + interim spin on the second rinse the water runs clear.
Ariel takes at least 3 rinses and interim spins for that result.
Foaming:
Ariel - foams quite a bit
Persil - you'll see little/no foam during the wash.
Cleaning:
Both provide excellent results.
Persil performs better on oil/grease/makeup/cosmetic marks.
Also, I tend to use non-bleaching detergents i.e. colour forumulations more than 'universal' formulations.
Persil Colour definitely performs better.
Ariel Colour and Style is, in my experience, second best.
Also, possibly because it rinses so well, Persil seems to leave clothes much softer. E.g. if I tumble dry towels after washing in Persil Powder they come out very fluffy where as if I do the same with Ariel they're definitely a little 'stiffer'.
Also, Ariel Colour smells quite different to the normal version of Ariel with oxygen bleach. The Colour version's smell is a lot more acceptable in my opinion. I find the normal version a bit too overpowering.
rolls_rapide
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mrx
It's funny you should say that Ariel Colour was more pleasing to the nose than regular Ariel; I agree.
I don't know who is running the fragrance dept of P&G's detergents, but they must be a bunch of loonies - remember less is more, in terms of fragrances.
As for stiff laundry: I have found that using Procter & Gamble detergents, Ariel tablets or Daz powder, they tend to leave a powdery feel to the tumble drier filter. This is probably the zeolite content (Bring back PHOSPHATES!!!).
It's funny you should say that Ariel Colour was more pleasing to the nose than regular Ariel; I agree.
I don't know who is running the fragrance dept of P&G's detergents, but they must be a bunch of loonies - remember less is more, in terms of fragrances.
As for stiff laundry: I have found that using Procter & Gamble detergents, Ariel tablets or Daz powder, they tend to leave a powdery feel to the tumble drier filter. This is probably the zeolite content (Bring back PHOSPHATES!!!).
