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Better move it far away, otherwise it will just confuse you!
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After changing the front of the motor to a c-face->make holes in the motor brackets, adjust as needed. BAM!! He's mounted!
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I still need to button up some things with the motor, like proper wiring, the junction box, etc.
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It runs relatively quiet, doesn't vibrate the machine. Now need to get a pulley in metric units!
cfz2882: Thank for your help!
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Apparently getting anything in the US to fit parts that are in metric units is a REAL pain in the lower back side! Had to get a pulley machined to fit the motor!
It will be fascinating to see the 3450RPM motor function where a 1725RPM one would nomally be used-the VFD should take care of that!Will be very interesting to see how this extraordinary WP washer performs!Bet it could put the "spin" on the clothes as well as a good agitatin!
The main fly in the ointment can be seen from the photo taken from underneath the plate on which the mechanism sits. Most other top loader automatics did not have that plate up in the cabinet like that that would crash into the corners and sides of the cabinet if a load became unbalanced. In machines that just had the round tub in the cabinet, there was more swing room for the tub. Kenmore used an off-balance switch; WP did not. Their neutral drain deposited the load at the bottom of the tub which helped spin stability and unlike tubs that spun the water out, there was less chance for the spinning water to carry small items into an unbalanced distribution situation.
Watch the dynamic forces as you go about this exciting project. Even increasing the Maytag to a 757 rpm spin speed makes the front panel flex like a speaker cone during spin.
Are you planning to increase the spin speed after a couple of minutes of regular spinning to have a lighter-weight load for the components to handle? I don't remember this exactly, but I read that when Bendix was putting the Duomatic through "shake down" tests, they discovered that to minimize the tub swing at the beginning of the spin periods which would send the suspended mechanism crashing into the cabinet, they had to prevent the motor from going into the start windings as it slowed from the increased load because the start windings put too much torque on the basket and exaggerated the swing as the still water heavy and less than perfectly balanced load gained speed. I know that you are dealing with a top loader and they were dealing with a front loader, but I am curious about those initial wobbles and swings the tub can take as it builds up speed.
As you think about high speed spinning, you should also consider the construction of the tub and compare it with that of the Frigidaires in the gauge of the steel, the huge hub in the Frigidaire's tub and the compromising of strength due to perforations in the WP's tub. The neutral drain's leaving the load at the bottom of the basket will lessen the effect of a missing ballast ring or the GE's cast iron tub cradle in its machine with high speed spinning , but I think the force caused by the increased speed is going to cause the tub to separate from the central tube where the drive force originates. Slowly increasing the speed after some of the water has been spun out might lessen the strain at that point.
Another thing to consider is that increased motor speed while the machine is in agitation can put serious stress on the tranny.
Watch the dynamic forces as you go about this exciting project. Even increasing the Maytag to a 757 rpm spin speed makes the front panel flex like a speaker cone during spin.
Are you planning to increase the spin speed after a couple of minutes of regular spinning to have a lighter-weight load for the components to handle? I don't remember this exactly, but I read that when Bendix was putting the Duomatic through "shake down" tests, they discovered that to minimize the tub swing at the beginning of the spin periods which would send the suspended mechanism crashing into the cabinet, they had to prevent the motor from going into the start windings as it slowed from the increased load because the start windings put too much torque on the basket and exaggerated the swing as the still water heavy and less than perfectly balanced load gained speed. I know that you are dealing with a top loader and they were dealing with a front loader, but I am curious about those initial wobbles and swings the tub can take as it builds up speed.
As you think about high speed spinning, you should also consider the construction of the tub and compare it with that of the Frigidaires in the gauge of the steel, the huge hub in the Frigidaire's tub and the compromising of strength due to perforations in the WP's tub. The neutral drain's leaving the load at the bottom of the basket will lessen the effect of a missing ballast ring or the GE's cast iron tub cradle in its machine with high speed spinning , but I think the force caused by the increased speed is going to cause the tub to separate from the central tube where the drive force originates. Slowly increasing the speed after some of the water has been spun out might lessen the strain at that point.
Another thing to consider is that increased motor speed while the machine is in agitation can put serious stress on the tranny.
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The good and the bad...
The good is that agitation is almost that of a DD machine given a new belt. The bad is no spin. Tub tries to engage but does not spin even with help. I suspect the spin tube and assembly needs replacing.
The good is that agitation is almost that of a DD machine given a new belt. The bad is no spin. Tub tries to engage but does not spin even with help. I suspect the spin tube and assembly needs replacing.
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Spin tube stuck!
Transmission comes out nice, spin tube not so...
Transmission comes out nice, spin tube not so...
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This machine has been repaired before...Should have been sent to scrap 25 years ago!
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Think it's time to find a donor machine and send the innards of this one to scrap. Bearing must be ceased, it's impossible to get the spin tube out without damage to the tube on the baseplate
GETTING A STUCK CLUTCH OUT
Melvin There is an easy way to get that out all you have to do is call me. The WP BD machines are a little work to rebuild [ see post to Dave -87 ] but that blue machine is actually in very good shape for its age. But there are quite a few tricks that are not in the repair manuals to rebuilding old machines.
Melvin There is an easy way to get that out all you have to do is call me. The WP BD machines are a little work to rebuild [ see post to Dave -87 ] but that blue machine is actually in very good shape for its age. But there are quite a few tricks that are not in the repair manuals to rebuilding old machines.
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Can you explain to someone not gifted in mechanics, why a portable BD Whirlpool can spin at 900 rpms without and difficulty? Is it just tub size that makes it possible? Could be mistaken about the exact rpms, but it's so much faster than the spin on the standard-sized model.
Can you explain to someone not gifted in mechanics, why a portable BD Whirlpool can spin at 900 rpms without and difficulty? Is it just tub size that makes it possible? Could be mistaken about the exact rpms, but it's so much faster than the spin on the standard-sized model.
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Is there a way
to adapt the engineering in the portable to the standard machine?
to adapt the engineering in the portable to the standard machine?
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Hey Mike, the portable has no baseplate like this machine. It is wholly suspended from the bottom plate of the machine by 3 stand-up springs. Banging on the cabinet is fairly common on them, but the smaller diameter tub also isn't as violent as it's much larger siblings.
-Tim
Hey Mike, the portable has no baseplate like this machine. It is wholly suspended from the bottom plate of the machine by 3 stand-up springs. Banging on the cabinet is fairly common on them, but the smaller diameter tub also isn't as violent as it's much larger siblings.
-Tim
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It's really cool-looking under there. Those springs are rubber coated, I think. and they look like minaturized tripods from the "machines" in the newer version of "War of the Worlds." When I first went down and under the WP, I gasped!
Filter on slow--Gentle cycle. Some BLUE for YOU, Melvin
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It's really cool-looking under there. Those springs are rubber coated, I think. and they look like minaturized tripods from the "machines" in the newer version of "War of the Worlds." When I first went down and under the WP, I gasped!
Filter on slow--Gentle cycle. Some BLUE for YOU, Melvin
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