Bosch condenser or Miele heat pump dryer?

[henene4]

So just going off the top of my head

@ozzie908

Yes, Bosch machines don't reverse. They don't have a heater though.
Main difference would be target temp. Every HP dryer has a cooling fan to manage temps of the heatpump and inside the dryer.
If temperatures go too high, that fan activates and draws air over a small heat exchanger that basically dumps heat into the room. If the fan is off, a little heat is rejected, but the amount is minute.
So Towels on these probably just allows for much higher temperatures

@Cannuck

Your washer will probably draw round about 2.2kW max.
That is about 10A.

A heatpump dryer will never draw more then 800W continously with very few exceptions (some early HP dryers were rated at 1.2kW or such, their Little Giant versions draw 1.44kW max and I think Miele rates their current linup at 1Kw even though they don't run at that level).

Worst case continous draw is round about 650W from what I have seen across the board. So that would be true no matter which current EU design HP dryer you would buy.
Thing is compressor startup. All models I see in the NA market are just normal 1-speed capacitor started things. They can spike really high for a fraction of a second.
I load an 16A circuit with my washer and dryer at once and I have pretty low voltage in my flat (200-210V) and haven't had issues yet.
Given your circuit is rated at 30A probably (it's an old dryer circuit I guees?) you could probably even run 2 HP dryers plus the washer off of that splitter.

So wouldn't worry to much.

 

[canuck]

I placed my order for the Miele heat pump dryer and was told the delivery would be in early August which was no problem. Now it's moved back to October or possibly December! I cannot wait until October for delivery so I am starting to look to the other options...

Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback on the LG DLHC1455V heat pump dryer?

The Bosch heat pump dryer (WTW87NH1UC) is also an option but it's so new here that there aren't any reviews yet which makes me nervous for such an expensive machine. I did read the one UK Bosch HP dryer review above which is helpful. I wonder if the machines are the same here in Canada?

 

[henene4]

Both have self cleaning condenser systems which are a known weak spot on both.

I actually owned the EU version of the LG.
Nice enough machine.
The inverter heat pump is really nice. If you need to get a load done fast, it speeds the cycle up by a couple of minutes without much trade off (energy usage is a little higher; temps to get higher).

Compared to the Bosch it reverses and the third drum paddle helps with bunching issues.
Still not great. But better.

The Bosch does not reverse. Simple heat pump, good enough performer.
If the self cleaning condenser system cloggs up, the Bosch is definitely easier to take care off.

But in the long run, I'd rather have the performance of the LG over the eventual hour safed taking the machine apart.

 

[chachp]

Heat Pump

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I can't speak to the condenser dryer because I have never had one.  I have a Miele T1 heat pump dryer.  I am very happy with the performance.  It dries very well, it doesn't take hours and hours to dry a load and it DOES NOT add hot air to my laundry room.  Every time I have read someone post about concerns that the dryer will make the room too warm I am surprised because that has not happened to me.  We live in the south so I would notice if the dryer was fighting with the A/C.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">My HP dryer does have more than one filter to clean but I don't see that as a reason to choose another.  The second filter is called a plinth filter and I clean that at the end of the wash day when I get the message to clean it.  I rinse it off and leave it to dry until the next day.  It's not a big deal.  It does not get so hot that I can't touch the clothes, and it does reverse so I'm hard pressed to find a reason not to own one except for cost.  If you have to pay that much more to get one in Canada I can understand why you'd choose another.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Years ago we had a vented Bosch AXXIS dryer and I was very happy with it except it was a little on the loud side.  It was in a laundry room off the kitchen and I would close the door because every time it stopped to reverse it was noisy in my opinion. </span>

 

[logixx]

Bosch Series 8 heat pump dryer

Between the three, I'd vote for Miele > Bosch > LG. I have one of these cursed Bosch tangle dryers and have not managed to make it tangle clothes. I dried a load of two heavy duvet covers, pillow cases and a fitted sheet without issues. Similarly, a load of one lightweight pillow case, duvet cover and fitted sheet came out perfectly. Not saying it won't tangle - but it hasn't so far.

I have a small bathroom and if I close the door, the room temp will max out at 79F. It's never gotten any hotter.

I am diligent about keeping the filters clean, so I can't comment on how the self-cleaning would work under tough usage conditions. I would, however, prefer a dryer with an accessible condenser (Miele), if I had the choice (and Miele dryers weren't so darn expensive).

 

[canuck]

Thanks for all of the replies! I would love to get the Miele T1 and have paid for one but if the stock situation remains as it is, I will have to get a different brand since I can't wait until October to get the dryer. I am not a fan of the self-cleaning heat pump technology as it sounds like it requires additional cleaning periodically without the ease of access that one designed for manual cleaning has.

 

[aquarius1984]

Hi

I own and use daily a Bosch serie 8 Heat pump dryer that I’ve had from new and is 5 years old.

The only reason anyone would need to do any cleaning or maintenance cleaning on the self clean condenser is if you don’t follow the instruction book.

If it’s installed to drain into your waste system as per instructions then you need never do anything.

They block because people who use the water resevoir method, often don’t empty it AT THE END OF EVERY COMPLETE CYCLE - and let it run over into the next cycle. Machine bleeps and it has to be emptied MID cycle and then when the machine calls for this water during the cycle the tank has hardly enough in it to run the self clean.

They don’t reverse. They don’t need to. They don’t tangle bedding at all.

Drying times of a 22LB wash load spun at 1600rpm takes 90 minutes.

Heat pump is the way to go. No fabric damage, 1/4 of the lint produced that normal drying produces. Elastic isn’t damaged. Heavy fabrics dry brilliantly including duvets and comforters.

They literally pee all over any conventional dryer including American over sized dryers.

 

[aquarius1984]

Il add that In the 1500 cycles I’ve probably run in it so far it’s not once needed any maintenance. Zero.

It’s plumbed In to drain itself.

 

[henene4]

They don't tangle

It's the condenser version, but same drum design.

 

[mrboilwash]

I have a Bosch Series 4 heat pump dryer with a foam rubber mat filter. I wouldn`t trust a self cleaning system because I think organic matter like lint and water just calls for trouble sooner or later.

I have much less problems with tangling or balling up than with my former Electrolux based AEG condenser that made quick reverses every now and then.
I`m glad it doesn`t have a window so I can`t get nervous if anything tangles or balls up but I can hear it when it happens. I learned it`s best to be patient and just let it go on and I can tell it almost always manages to untangle things after a while all by itself. Actually I find this two paddle drum set up with this thingy on the back pretty ingenious.
To be fair I have to say I don`t have any microfiber sheets and I have the habit to dry linens only to ironing dry then remove the duvet covers and pillow cases to finish them partly folded on a drying rack. This way can I get away without any ironing work. If there are fitted sheets and small items in the load I finish these completely in the dryer.

I never use the full rated capacity only fill it approximately one third to half way up with wet clothes that I shook out thoroughly before loading just like I`d do before hanging on a line.
It still takes 2 hours for towels and about one and a half for about anything else which might be considered a long time to wait if someone is not not used to a heat pump but I would never go back to a condenser or vented.

If the difference in price is not huge I would definitely go with a Miele even if I had to wait a few months longer.
Over here the entry level Bosch`s are not expensive, about half the money of a Miele so it was a no brainer for me.

 

[canuck]

I looked into the availability of the other heat pump dryers (Bosch, Samsung, LG) in my area and they are all backordered - most until August if you can trust the predictions. Apparently Samsung has been most predictable with deliveries according to the appliance store.

Henene4 - Does the Samsung HP dryer reverse tumble?

I am still holding out hope I can get the Miele T1 but if not it would be good to have a back up option.

 

[ozzie908]

@henene4

If this Bosch dryer I have doesn't use a heater on the towels cycle how can it be so quick because if I understand what you are saying, Why would it take 2x longer on a cupboard dry cycle when it could be as quick as the towels one ?

So if I go by what you are telling me I may as well use the towels cycle for all cottons and it would be 2x as quick ?

Austin

 

[henene4]

There just is no heater

Not sure what you are trying to say there.
But there is no heater for drying in any BSH heat pump dryer that has ever been build.

Take your model number, put it in the spare part ordering tool on the Bosch website and you'll see there is no mention of a heater in any list.

 

[logixx]

Henene

Trying to come for me using my own videos? The shade of it all!

Well, yes, my pervious Bosch condenser did mess up these paper-thin bed linen. The heat-pump dryer hasn't rolled up anything yet, despite me challenging it.

If there is a downside to it, then it's the fact that these Bosch dryers get mighty hot towards the very end of the cycle when you select a high drying level. Didn't Bosch use variable speed heat-pumps at one point? As it stands, it just keeps "heating" continually until the dryness is reached and then shuts off - no cool down. The dryer reached 160F on several occasions towards the end of a Extra Dry cycle.

 

[aquarius1984]

Logixx

I laughed off the video thing because of the fact it’s a condenser not heat pump. Any number of things from the heat in a condenser could affect the load such as hot sticky fibres helping tangling to form, and how fibres behave In hot temperatures. Static formation is none existent too in this Bosch heat pump. Yet it’s been very evident in Bosch condenser and other conventional dryers too.

I too have not had a single load tangle. Facts. Not assumptions or poor attempts to prove something when that person hasn’t used or owned a product in question for any reasonable amount of time.

 

[henene4]

If a video isn't proof enough

https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/product-list/WTW85493GB?breadcrumb=#/Tabs=section-reviews/

First review.
Basically any modern HP dryer has a review with the tangeling issue.

https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/produc...-pump-dryer/WTX88RH9GB#/Tabs=section-reviews/
Here the current design with inverter motor, if you want to argue that's the issue.

I don't own one, but had the issue in a friend's machine.
We have one set bedding at home that does not tangle, no matter what.

All the others do.

It's one of the things I say over and over.

Any dryer can tangle.
Some worse some less.

Some never have issues.
Some do all the time.

Just something to be aware off.

 

[foraloysius]

I have had some tangling issues with my Siemens (Bosch) heatpump dryer. Two single fitted sheets, two pillow covers and two single duvet covers tangled up in one of the fitted sheets. It was quite difficult to untangle the whole bundle. Most of the time the duvet covers and pillow covers are line dried and I put the very thick elastic fitted sheets in the dryer. No tangling issues with that.

 

[chachp]

Tangling

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">I don't have much of an issue with tangling in my Miele T1 heat pump.  When I do the sheets it's usually a king size flat and fitted sheets and I think six pillow cases.  On occasion, this load will tangle into a ball that can be difficult to untangle.  It doesn't happen all the time.  Not sure why.  That's about it.  Most other loads are fine.</span>

 

[logixx]

Availability

Just came across a press release on Miele's German website, stating that production of washers and dryers in their German and Czech factories respectively will be drecreased further, as parts (mostly electronics) and becoming more and more scarce.

 

[brisnat81]

Its been a 3 to 4 month waiting period here since at least the end of last year. A mate was shopping for new appliances for his new house, and Miele suggested that he needed to plan to order 6 months early.

Other friends ordered a new one in December, the washer arrived in March, the dryer in May.