Brand new in the box.

[thomasortega]

Mickeyd

I don't understant that very well, but it seems that some versions don't spin between rinses, and other versions do (and have suds lock issues)

My unit doesn't spin between rinses, only the final spin.

i've done some tests exactly to try to cause a suds locks (lots of detergent, like 3 scoops of tide) and spun right after the wash. NO suds lock at all!

Actually I loved the pump layout very well made to push the air out of it as soon as the hose before it is full of water, different from nearly 100% of modern pump layouts that struggle with a tiny air bubble.

 

[thomasortega]

The agitation also doesn't disturb the water surface that much, so it doesn't create foam and the gentle swirling pops the bubbles. When you start the washer, the fill jet will create a world of suds, but then, during the wash the foam disappears, it's actually boring. (anyway, foam doesn't clean)

I can't imagine this washer causing suds lock if used following the cycles on the timer. Maybe if I put a whole box of detergent and force spin while it is still full of water.

Also, the gap between the drum and the bottom of the tub is huge (you start filling the washer and it takes forever to reach the drum), so there is more-than-enough space to spin without the water reaching the bottom of the drum, even with a slow pump.

 

[thomasortega]

Full cycle

Part 1: 

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sZQ3LnA0k0&feature=youtu.be

 

[thomasortega]

Part 2

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z_U1nSVSzY&feature=youtu.be

 

[thomasortega]

Part 3 

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SSxgtpvLz4&feature=youtu.be

 

[thomasortega]

Part 4

Of course this cycle was just for demonstration (Thanks Kevin for lending the test load)

I would never think about doing my laundry with only two rinses, no matter what washer, but the videos would be too long if I did the 5 or 6 rinses I usually do on whatever top load washer.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEEGawVkVc4&feature=youtu.be

 

[tomturbomatic]

well, I am not going to try to convince anyone against their will, but it could not spin, even after the first rinse without sudlocking as the water was spun out of the fabrics and filled the area between the tubs with foam. It had a hard enough time doing it after the second deep rinse because the wash water had not been extracted from the load. The machine does not provide vigorous agitation like an agiator washer to flush water through the fabrics. That is why my friends got rashes. We found this rinsing situation in the shop, too, even with controlled sudsing detergent. Maybe with Rosalie's Zero Suds you could get away with a spin earlier in the cycle, but that detergent, with no suds, if left in clothes will give nasty rashes, too.

Enjoy your toy. I am happy for you. Zesser Gottenu.

 

[thomasortega]

Tom, That's interesting...

Is there any possibility they used two different designs for the tub?

I didn't take my washer apart (and I won't do it) but once I start filling, it takes several seconds for the water to reach the drum.

The drum even fills about 1 inch (before the bottom row of holes) because my water pressure is really high, but if i stop the washer, it will flow to the sump and the drum will drain completelly.

It means there is A LOT of space (and consequently this washer is far from being water efficient)

As I said, I did a test only to try to cause a suds lock (3 scoops of tide and an overload of towels) I wanted to intentionally cause THE king of the suds lock and nothing happened. It spun the water adn it never reached the bottom of the drum. It was spinning at full speed and for almost a minute there was water (and foam) coming out of the drain hose.

Anyway, Thanks for the advice, I always rinse much more than the regular cycle. I can even let any washer complete the original cycle, but then I always repeat several times until i see the drain water 100% clear, then i run an extra rinse with the fabric softener.

 

[Chetlaham]

@thomasortega: I don't expect this washer to disappoint. The people who designed this did their home work. I mean this washer is 40 years ahead of its time- they knew how to pioneer original design.

 

[thomasortega]

I totally agree...

Ah, those Japanese engineers..... they don't have brains, they have supercomputers in their heads.

That washer is surprising even today.