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Great pictures of the Farnsworth House...thanks for posting! Love the minimalist design and styling; a glass cabin in the woods! Although it does appear very small; is there even a separate bedroom or bathroom there?

I noticed on the website there's a "Rental" page under construction! That would be really neat to stay there for a weekend!

--Austin
 
Farnsworth House

Austin - Actually it isn't a small house - Someting like 2,000 square feet, maybe less. There are actually two bathrooms!! Behind the guest bathroom shower are the mechanicals for the house, including the heater for the in-floor radiant heat. The original house didn't have air-conditioning, and Dr. Farnsworth had screens added to the northern end (much to Mies chagrin). The house has only two opening windows at the other end. As I said, really worth the trip to see!!

Fred
 
Oops! The Farnsworth Rental

Austin - You can't rent the place to stay. It is rented for events, such as weddings. Who knows? Someday, I may be able to use it for that purpose! And since you have such an incredible sense of style, you could have your wedding there too! (Keep that in mind Venus!)

Fred
 
50's house

....don't forget the bomb shelter in the basement.....
Seriously, email me. I live in a flat roofed 50's house that was my parent's home. It is mostly original and I would love to share some pics of the interior and exterior with you. The bathroom has pink plastic tile and the front entry is separated from the dining area with a built in hutch...with wrought iron hardware..
 
Electrical Code

cadman, I don't want to come off sounding overbearing and humorless, but I do hope you will think better of your cavalier know-it-all attitude regarding electrical codes and safety.

As difficult as it may be to imagine, the National Electrical Code is not written by a bunch of frumpy busybodies obsessed with minding your business, stifling your creativity, and ruining your fun. Every rule in the NEC, no matter how arcane and incomprehensible it may seem to you, is there for a reason, and they are mostly good reasons. Behind rules governing grounding of circuits, GFCIs, proper overcurrent protection, and minimum number and rating of circuits (among other things), there is a long-buried litany of tragic tales of electrocutions and fires which are now very rare as a result of the rules you so carelessly disparage.

You should hear the language I use when faced with the need to correct really bad DIY wiring, when almost any amateur could do a halfway decent job by reading and applying the directions in a good DIY book (not all of them are good). I've found that engineers, electronics technicians, auto mechanics, etc. are often among the worst offenders. A little knowledge can be dangerous!

Re: three-prong outlets

These were readily available in the '50s, albeit infrequently installed. They really don't detract that much from a '50s look, and if you really don't want to see them, you can mount them on the underside of a wall cabinet. Outlets in living rooms/bedrooms are usually hidden behind furniture anyway, so there they are not a concern. If you absolutely must use non-grounding outlets, at least splice the ground wires of the romex together (don't snip them off), and bond them to the boxes (if you are using steel boxes). That way, a future owner can undo your creative anachronism without undue expense.

Incidentally, it is not necessarily true that two-prong outlets are safe if you are only using appliances with two-prong plugs. Lots of vintage appliances could stand to be made safer with the addition of proper grounding. My vintage fans all have the most retro-looking grounding cords and plugs I can find (the originals are in a drawer, labeled for the appliances they match). Don't ground toasters or anything else with exposed ni-chrome elements. It should go without saying that an appliance with a two-prong plug isn't safe if the plug only has two prongs because you snipped the ground off!

30-amp circuits:

No, please, no!!
Many houses have burned down because of this. Use 20A circuits (with #12 wire), and lots of them. Two in the kitchen, with built-in appliances and refrigerators on their own circuits, and no lights on the circuits is plenty for most houses. If you want you can have four or five. This is much safer than 30A circuits.

GFCIs:

GFCI circuit breakers are available, so you can have GFCI protection in areas where it is a good idea (and a code requirement, not that you care about that) without looking at an offensively modern outlet. Required locations are bathrooms, kitchen countertops, garages, basements, and outdoors. They are not recommended for refrigerators/freezers, computers, or life-support equipment.

I have a 1930 book that recommends grounding washers and explains ways to do it. This was known to be a serious safety issue for many years before the Code actually did anything about it.

Your retro house plan sounds lovely, and I can't wait to see the turquoise appliances. The low-voltage switching is a cool idea, too. The parts are hard to find nowadays, but they are out there. Don't get me wrong; I'm not against creativity and I love retro (otherwise why would I visit this site), but please consider those who will inherit your handiwork. That's all.
 
Guys, great ideas! The thought of a towel warmer sounds very inticing, and how could I forget the interior planter?! I was thinking circline fluorescents in the closets with jamb switches, like Magic Clean suggests.

Yaktx, thanks for reminding everyone that it's always a good idea to ground our washers & dryers, especially any appliance that makes use of electricity and water. However, I do take offense to your comments about my "cavalier know-it-all attitude" and that "engineers, electronics technicians, auto mechanics" are among the worst offenders. I am en electrical engineer by trade and have my OSHA certification in industrial safety as well.

My original point stands that a two-pronged plug plugged into a two-prong outlet is no less safe than plugged into a grounded outlet. This includes blenders, mixers, electric knives, toasters, juicers- all 2-prong kitchen appliances, modern and vintage. As to your comments about GFCI's, grounded metal enclosures, etc. those are always good ideas.
 
Cadman, I did not mean any offense. I didn't say that all engineers, et al are ignorant of proper practice. My apologies if I came across that way. In my experience, however, among DIYers who are brave enough to attempt their own wiring, those with no previous electrical knowledge are more likely to carefully read the book and follow instructions, rather than skip over and say, I know all this stuff, I don't have to do that. This is simply human nature. Like all generalizations, there are always exceptions, but I stand by my point.

I don't like to insult people or make inflammatory comments, but I hear stuff like this all the time and sometimes people need to be shocked (no pun intended) into awareness. I do think that if you have an OSHA certification in industrial safety, you should know better than to be considering, let alone publicly advocating, violation of long-established safety standards in building construction.

Should you restore and then use, say, a 1920s wringer washer, with all of those exposed belts and gears? Many people were maimed by such machines when they were common; they would be illegal to sell today, and rightfully so. If you restore and use it, you do so at your own risk, and that's fine. When you no longer own the machine, someone will hopefully keep it as a museum piece, or it may be junked, or someone like-minded will keep it and use it (at their own risk). The point is, nobody is going to use it out of necessity in preference to a newer machine. Certainly, nobody will use it who is not aware of the risk.

Likewise, the only cars left on the road not factory-equipped with seatbelts are now collectors items, that are not driven out of necessity by someone who can't afford anything newer. (It is worth noting that seatbelts and appliance grounding were both mandated at around the same time.)

Buildings are different. They have a lifespan measured in decades, not years. When you build a building, even your own house, there is a good chance that you will share it with others, pass it on to future generations, or sell it to someone else. The cost to the next owner of correcting a major mistake later on may be considerable. It may be your cost, if the buyer's home inspector finds the problem, or if you are sued by an injured houseguest!

I have a friend who recently lost a brother to faulty swimming pool wiring. At what cost will you gain "historical authenticity"?

You are correct that a two-prong plug is no more safe in a three-prong outlet than in a two-prong one. However, it is a rare household nowadays that does not have some three-prong plugs, and if you do not have them, the next owner will.

If I am in error for assuming that you do not fully understand the reasons why the NEC was updated in the late '50s-early '60s to require grounding outlets, you gave me little reason to assume otherwise.

Honestly, I didn't come here to pick a fight. I just don't want to see someone make a terrible mistake.
 
wiring

Well, I see two people beat me to it about the wiring thing. and yes, be free with many 20 amp circuits

Seperately, just because you're in the "country" doesn't mean that permits and inspections aren't going to be required, just means it'll be administered by the county instead of a city.
 
PeteK- thanks for the scans, they really are a snapshot in time. This weekend I picked up a stack of "Better Homes" magazines from the 50's just dripping with color, I'll try to get some scans up of the gorgeous interiors for you guys. I have a few tricks up my sleeve for the home theatre.....I'm planning on building a quarter to half scale drive-in theatre with multi-projector setup, neon, the works! The difference will be a seating area attached to the projection booth with a shed roof and built in BBQ. I collected the speakers and bases a couple years ago when our last drive-in was sold out. Most of the interior fixtures were bulldozed, a real shame.

Kenmore, in this area if you have over 35 acres the only permit required is for septic. Since land in the "city" is getting so pricey, more and more folks are building a few minutes outside of town. The inspections office mentioned that some folks take out building permits just to get the inspections to ensure they're not getting short-changed by the builders. These regulations become even less stringent if you step 2 miles away into the neighboring county. Since my plans call for extensive use of steel, glass, and atypical construction, I have it on good authority from a friend that the local inspector throws up his arms when faced with something he's not familliar with, this is one of the reasons I chose this location specifically. My plans don't cut any corners or bypass any codes, they're just very radical from today's McMansions everyone is familliar with. Now enough of this already - the sky's the limit!
 
Cory, I've been watching what's been going on lately, and my opinion is that, considering the prime location, you should do whatever the hell you want with electricity, plumbing, etc!! As long as it suits you (and anyone else who might end up living there), go for it! I take that philosophy when it comes to the R...oops...nevermind!

Kevin, GREAT link about the Sculptured House, and you hit the nail on the head!! Definitely top drawer work...and HUGE!!! I can't believe that it's 7000+ square feet...I'd take the keeper's quarters too!! I envy the current owners...

--Austin
 
Cory, did you buy your property yet or still looking around? Best move we ever made, I wouldn't even mind moving further out now. I'll scan some pics of our place "before" as a barren alfalfa field and now with the landscaping coming along around the house. We never see anyone from the county..hard enough just to get them to show up and scarf the gravel road and flatten it down again.
 

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