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If your not in a hurry, keep looking. 07' was the last year for the old body chrysler/dodge vans. While most of the engines carried over, the way they drive otherwise is night and day. the 08' and newer drive a lot better than the previous generation. The chrysler/dodge vans will not be the most reliable. Despite all the hype, ads, and what certain publications may say, the one brand that will never darken my driveway again is toyota.
 
Element back seats.

There are 2 ways to deal with the back seats. You can recline them and then fold them up against the sides so the floor is entirely clear (it takes me a few seconds). For bigger things, I take my seats out (more cumbersome). Right now I have 1 rear seat in, and one sitting in my basement. It's a good mix for me at this time. The floor is rubber, so it's a piece of cake to clean.

Mine is up to 50,000 miles and hasn't had a single thing break yet.

Again, I cannot say enough good things about my Element.
Dave
 
If I didn't haul repeatedly, cool. Right now I'm looking for something with more room, however. Hopefully the third-row seating in the Dodge vans is completely removable instead of just foldable.

Scott- thanks. I really should be getting something in the next week or so, and am looking furiously. There's an 02 Grand Caravan w/ 72K miles on it at Boch (lifetime powertrain warranty). They're saying $7990 but KBB says $6K. I have a query into them to find out why the difference. There's also an 07 with 116K for $6500.... we'll see. I'm a bit skeptical about Dodge- always have been, but I thought they kind of straightened up their act?

Still looking at the ads every day! I appreciate any and all input!

Chuck
 
stow&go

If the 3rd row is called "stow&go" they are not removable. Mine are not. I suppose you could use tools and remove then once and for all but if your looking to go in and out with the seats, then avoid the stow&go.
 
Have you though of a midsize truck. Tacoma or something of that nature. If you don't usually carry a lot of people they are fine. great for hauling stuff like you guys do. I have a 92 6 cyl which my son is driving now and a 2011 extra cab which is our travel long distance rig.. Midsized trucks are easy in and out pretty comfy driving and you can see all around you.
 
reliablity

This is such a hard thing to rate. I have own 2 Dodge mini vans in the last 15 years. They were/are my primary autos, and I have haul everything from appliances to mulch in them. In all that time I have never had a single major repair that wasn't my fault (hitting a deer doesn't count ). I never took that good of care of them and they only went to the mechanic for oil changes twice a year if they needed them or not. I have to say they are very reliable. I have friends who also bought one the same time and after a few years of repair headaches traded it in and don't have one good word to say about them and would never recommend them to anyone. I also know someone at work who had quite a bite of trouble with theirs and would not recommend a mini van but my parents have a 10 year old one with zero complaints. Jeb
 
Is something like a Ford Escape large enough for you? It certainly should be tall enough to make it easy to get into.

I had one as a loaner for a few weeks a couple of years ago, and ended up quite liking it.
 
From your list I'd go with the Ford Escape. My roommate had 2. I have problems with my back and hips and I had no problem.

Right now I own a 2011 Nissan Cube. Don't laugh; I can hear you all the way in NYC! It's high enough that it's pain-free to get in/out. You sit high and even with the seat raised there's still an amazing amount of head room. Both the windshield and driver's door are away and out of your face. I get 27 mpg in 50/50 mixed city/hgwy driving and 32 on road trips. It is quiet and smooth. User reviews mention the wind noise. Well, that's because the engine and tranny are so quiet, the only thing TO hear is the wind! The rear seat slides forward and back (while up) and the whole thing folds down.

It has crappy Toya A20 tires on it and I've never had a problem with snow and ice. Stability control+traction control+30-odd years of driving in snow = no problem this winter.

As for cargo room, I was able to fit my Maytag A710 into it with room for a tool box or 2. That said, there wasn't much room for anything else.

Just my 2 cents.

Jim
 
I would take a closer look at the 2007 Grand Caravan. I drove one for a while (actually a 2003 Town and Country, same engine and mechanicals though), and it was very comfortable, quiet, and had plenty of pep. I can't say how it was on gas though, I drove it mostly around town and it was in desperate need of a tune up. Don't let the higher mileage scare you (over the lower mileage of the Town and Country), I have seen plenty for sale around here with well over 200k. If the seats are "Stow & Go", they fold flat into the floor, if not, they can be removed fairly easily. If I had a need for a large vehicle, that would be my first choice. I owned a 1987 Caravan and it was pretty decent, but was just about worn out when I bought it (over 20 years old!)
 
We are on our 3rd Chrysler T & C.  Our first one(1998) is still going strong, it's my wife's daily driver, no. 2 (2003) was totaled last March when I was hit in the left front.  No. 3 is a 2008 that we bought used (3/13) with only 66,000 miles on it.  They all have given us good service over the years.  The 2008 averages 24-25mpg on the highway, and about 20mpg in town.  None of them have been money pits for us.  I really love the stow-n-go seats that the 2008 has. 
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Doug- I wasn't able to take time yesterday to fish for cars- the Honda you linked to has been removed (I assume sold). Thanks though!!

Dan- we really want something enclosed, but if not, I'd be looking at pickups.

Jeb- yes, very difficult. There are always diamonds and coal no matter which make/model you look at. I'm trying to see where there's a trend- like with the Dodge minivans, it seems the side door motors and rear heat can be issues across a good sampling of vehicles.

Jim- Escape- I couldn't find any in my range.

Dustin/Tim- I'm still considering the Dodges, even with the door motor problems that have been reported. The push-button opening is a great feature I remember from my Transport, but if they conk out they're still manual doors.

I've come up with some more possibilities if you wouldn't mind letting me know. Rich suggested the Land Rover, but it looks like it's pretty narrow to me and has those fold-to-the-sides third row seats.

2001 Honda CRV LX 102K miles $6k- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...scending&sortfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&

2003 Honda CRV EX 126k miles $7500- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...scending&sortfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&

2006 Kia Sedona 104k miles $7K- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...scending&sortfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&

2003 Land Rover Discovery 108K miles $7K http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...scending&sortfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&

2003 Toyota Sienna 115K miles $7K- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...scending&sortfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&

2004 Hyundai Santa Fe GLX 107K miles $7500- http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...scending&sortfield=PRICE&certifiedOnly=false&

And the '07 Pontiac Torrent.

Thanks again, all!! This really is a pain in the ***- hope I'm not being one!!!!!!!

Chuck
 
Dealer story

So, I've contacted a couple of dealers with questions, very simple ones. I always add in that I'd like email contact only for now. However, the phone number is a mandatory field in the query form, so I give it. Yes, I've gotten calls to come in and test drive with NO acknowledgment that I even asked a question or requested email only.

But one dealer, Boch, really took the cake (they have the 2002 Caravan with 72K miles for $8k). I emailed with two questions and requested email only for now: Can the third row seating be completely removed, and are there options on the vehicle not listed in the ad that bring the car more than $2K over the blue book price accessed from the ad?

10 minutes later the phone rang. It was them, and they left a message for me to call to arrange a test drive. 2 hours later, another message from a manager asking me the same thing.

When I got home from work, I called to speak to the general manager. He wasn't there so I spoke to the sales manager, letting him know I was hesitant to so as I was familiar with how that works (the SM protects the salespeople). He listened to me, apologized profusely, and said he had had the discussion with his staff before about actually reading the queries when they come in. He then said he realized that I probably had a bad taste in my mouth for the dealership, but would personally take care of my questions if I wanted, and would allow a call back in about 20 minutes. I said sure! Never got a call from him.

Yesterday, a woman with a title called while I was gone (Rich got the call), then sent an email, asking me to call to arrange a test drive. I used the unsubscribe link to opt out.

This morning she called again. I told her the right hand should know what the left hand is doing, that I had discussed this with the sales manager already and I should not be getting calls. "Oh, there isn't a manager in this morning, sorry. I'll take you off the call list." A follow up email asking me to call for a test drive came in from her minutes later.

Then, 2 hrs later, an email came in from the first person who called Friday. I replied that I had opted out yesterday so their system must not be working. He replied that he'd take me off the list.

So tomorrow morning, I'm going to call the general manager and explain all this to him. I'm not expecting miracles, but at the very least I'll get it off my chest. Best case scenario, he'll reduce the car to KBB price or close. I seriously doubt it, but it can't hurt. The only reason I'd even consider a car from there is that they have great customer reviews and a lifetime powertrain warranty.

And they wonder why car dealers/salespeople have the reputation they have!!!!

Rant over!
 
In your most recent list, I'd check out either of the Honda CRVs or the Toyota Sienna before anything else.

Dealing with car dealers is often a pain.
 
That generation sienna had major transmission issues and i believe that generation was also prone to the whole oil sludge issue. The generation after was a little better but not much.

You mention the element was too small, I don't think those CRV's above will be much if any bigger. Otherwise would be worth considering.[this post was last edited: 3/16/2014-21:01]
 
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