Careful where you set down that bleach bottle

[sudsmaster]

Sufuric or Sulfamic?

 

I'm guessing that shower cleaners contain sulfamic and not sulfuric acid. Sulfamic acid is a much tamer tile and grout cleaner than hydrochloric and especially sulfuric. Sulfuric acid is highly corrosive and can cause severe burns and disfigurement if it gets on skin. Think: battery acid.

 

Sulfuric is used in acidic drain cleaners, but can be kind of hard to find (Santeen appears to be one traditional brand). And yes, it needs to be handled with great care, partially because it can boil water when added to it, resulting in splashback or even an explosion.

 

Sulfamic acid is a much more mild acid, although still corrosive.

 

 

[mark_wpduet]

Someone on here gave a tip

to add splash of bleach to the door of the dishwasher (just pour a little on the door) before running it. I've been doing this ever since and it works great. By the time the main wash starts, it's pretty much washed away so it doesn't cancel on the enzymes in the detergent...I could be wrong, but I don't think the bleach has enough time to be corrosive with all of that moving water and it's in a diluted state too, at least that's what I'm hoping. I know you're not supposed to put bleach in the dishwasher but this is a very tiny amount.

I need to buy the smaller bottles each time because it takes me way too long to go through a gallon of bleach.

 

[askolover]

Lime-away is Sulphamidic acid

Lysol non-bleach toilet cleaner is hydrochloric

The Works shower cleaner is glycolic , sulphamic, and oxalic acids and toilet bowl cleaner and drain opener is HCL acid

I don't remember where I saw sulphuric acid, it's been a long time since I read that and it very well may have been in drain cleaner.

 

Years ago most if not all dishwasher detergents contained chlorine bleach and you can still get it in Cascade with Clorox as well as Palmolive Eco and some store brands.  I still use it in my dishwasher.  It was built when these products were available so I'm not concerned about using it.  Heck, we used to use Cascade or Electrasol on our white uniforms before we were allowed to wear colored scrubs because it would take stains and yellowing out a little better than bleach alone!

Like the clorox commercial says, "If you want clean, you need a cleaner with bleach in it!"

 

[launderess]

Count me in as well

Plastic jugs of "Bac-Out", distilled water, cleaners, etc.. all have self-destructed and or sprung hair-line crack leaks. Usually don't notice until am cleaning and move things around and notice a wet spot. That or why there is a persistent whiff of this or that product in the air despite having not used recently.

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[warmsecondrinse]

Lactic acid, anyone?

I've noticed this seems to have taken the place of Triclosan (R?) as the active ingredient in many cleaners labelled "anti-bacterial". According to an article I read at the beginning of the 'anti-bacterial craze' a few years back, Triclosan is/was a major contributor to bacterial antibiotic resistance. Lactic acid poses no such long term danger. Anyone know how accurate that info might be? I tend to think so, but...

Years ago my ex's friends (children and grandchildren of Abruzzese immigrants to the U.S.) joked that the stereotype is true, at least in some parts of Italy: If an article hasn't been cleaned with bleach, it is NOT actually clean!

Jim

 

[alr2903]

Hypochlorite solutions have long been used by hospitals for blood spills, spatter.  Art

 

 

[sudsmaster]

A few years back Costco carried an in-home water ozone generator machine. It wasn't exactly cheap - over $100 as I recall - and it would make a quart or so of water with ozone in it. According to the accompanying package description, ozonated water is more effective at killing germs than chlorinated water. It's supposed to be virtually instantaneous, whereas it can take chlorinated water 15 minutes or longer to do the same thing.

 

I resisted the urge to get the ozonator gadget. Since I rarely use chlorine bleach anyway, I didn't see the need. The ozonated water, however, could have been handy for washing produce...

 

 

[circlew]

I've had Lestoil leak from the plastic bottle on a couple occasions if it sat for a long time. I think it eats up the plastic after so long. Never had any problems when it came in glass.

 

[sudsmaster]

The flip side is that I had a glass bottle of lemon oil tumble from the cabinet above the old GE filter flo washer one day, chipping the porcelain top. Since then I've made a point of never storing anything in glass (or metal) above the washer/dryer.

 

 

[dustin92]

People say how toxic and horrible bleach is, but how toxic is it really? It is added to our drinking water and swimming pools... And I don't see people dropping like flies from drinking tap water. Yes it can be irritating in high concentrations, but I think it's safer than some or most of the new cleaning and disinfecting products. I've always used bleach with dish liquid, although I would never mix the two undiluted, I add them once the sink is full of water, so very low concentration. Same with regular pine sol... That's the only thing I ever used to clean floors at my church- hot water, pine sol, and a splash of bleach once the bucket was full. Never injured or killed myself or anyone else, and everyone always commented how nice it smelled. We almost always have bleach around the house, I use it for white laundry, occasionally add a splash to the dishwasher to clean things out, and the toilet bowl downstairs (bleach is the only thing that will remove the stains, add about a cup and let it sit overnight) I've not had bleach go bad myself, but I have seen bad bleach- no smell whatsoever.

 

[delaneymeegan]

Ozonated water

If you're lucky enough to swim in a pool with ozonated water, it is so nice. None of that chlorine smell, or that 'thing' (sucking the life out of and prematurely aging) pool water does to your skin.

It's like swimming in drinking water.

http://www.theozonecompany.com/ozone-pool-purification.htm

 

[delaneymeegan]

As for all these chemicals recenly mentioned....

acid this, acid that, .....
You know, in the U.S. at least, we were brought up with all kinds of disturbing products which we (the public anyway) later found out weren't so good to have around.
Cigarettes, Asbestos, leaded gasoline, lawn darts, leaded paint, DDT, toxic waste dumps in peoples backyards, guns for anyone other than the police, and the list goes on.

Its a mixed bag. On the one hand, I don't think anyone created these products with the express intent of harming the public. Quite the opposite actually.

On the other hand, with the knowledge we DO HAVE in hand on dangerous products that are still out there, it comes down to corruption that they are still available. That really angers me. It's not that way in all countries. The better countries have strict laws protecting the innocent public from such products, and when the public, or business, has the need to dispose of ANY chemical substance, the government will take it and dispose of it appropriately.

 

[kenwashesmonday]

I'd like to point out that in a restaurant, every pot, pan, or dish that gets washed by hand must be sanitized with chlorine bleach, or the board of health will shut you down. This is why a commercial kitchen sink has 3 compartments: wash, rinse, sanitize.

Lots of things in the home are poisonous, including many cleaning supplies, soap, and detergents. It's simply a matter of using them safely and correctly.

 

[iheartmaytag]

Chlorine is your friend

Some nellies may be afeared, but I'd take Chlorine over Triclosan anytime, anyday.

 

Kenwash is correct, if hand washed  in a food service establishment they have to be sanitized with Chlorine or Iodine.  Chlorine is cheaper.

 

Delaneymeegan:  I agree with you as well.  There was a time when Lysol (the one with Phoenal) was used as an internal wash.  Now we know better.

 

The afomentioned Triclosan is another example of something that we should not be using.

 

Chlorine, however, though an acid is a powerful oxidizer, that breaks down to salt water in the environment.  And as I have mentioned before, I like the smell, which in a pool is not the cholrine itself but the demise as it sanitizes that causes the off gas.

 

 

[mark_wpduet]

Speaking of Ozone Water -

I bought this a LONG time ago and I use it to wash all my veggies. It's ultrasonic and I think it uses ozone too...It works GREAT. I won't eat any veggies or fruit without running it through this first....At first I wasn't sure if I would use it, but I use it all the time...

http://healingtalks.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133

 

[mrsalvo]

I don't use as much bleach anymore as I used to, and I'm finding that I'm doing as well or better without it. I really like the Lysol bathroom cleaner for countertops and cleaning, it does a very good job. I'm finding now that when I do purchase a bottle to have on hand, its a small one. Definitely share the concerns of others on this thread concerning the hazards.