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$600 for that POS?! Geeze, that will buy like 15 Hobart KitchenAid dishwashers that will last several lifetimes over.
 
Oh, Ok. I have not seen it in person. In that case, it must be made in China! No offense to things being made in china, but be careful, you might get lead poisoning using that thing. (I'm not trying to be funny)
 
Interesting how many of the user reviews complained that the interior was very small and didn't hold as many dishes as their previous machine. I'm used to the LG's cavernous capacity (ditto my previous TT Maytag) ---this would be a deal-breaker for me.
 
My office has one of these China made machines.
I posted before about it. In it's defense it does a good job with what we want from it; Coffee cups, snack plates silverware.

It is on the small side, only holds four cofee cups by four coffee cups. I can get six by five in my TT Maytag. This machine is extremely quiet, usually the only way you can tell it's running is the lights on the front and steam coming from the vent.

It just bugs me to read "General Electric Appliance Park"
"Made in China"
 
Thread 19612 in the Archives

Made in China. Is my thread on this subject.

I am so, so , so disappointed with GE.
At one time they had the top rated appliances, now they are Made in China.
 
Chinese-made dishwasher

I agree with supremewhirlpol on the made-in-China issue. I'd be leery of anything made there that came in contact with my dishes or food. Also keep in mind that the last major recall of several models of Whirlpool and Kenmore dishwashers had Chinese-made motors with wiring defects that caused numerous kitchen fires. The Chinese don't care about Underwriters Laboratory standards or any kind of safety standards, for that matter. All they care about is our money. And the government and big business turn a blind eye to it time and time again!
 
Caring about Money

It is GE, Whirlpool and many others who are to blame. It was a way to capture cheap labor and raw resources without unions, OSHA, environmental restrictions and expensive bonus packages. I have traveled extensively in China and my partner's family owned 5 factories in China. They moved them to Viet Nam once China began imposing Western standards to the job sights and payroll deductions. The cost of doing business was becoming prohibitive and the People's Party was doing tax audits and making sure the government was getting their fair share since medical, unemployment and old pensions are growing more costly. As in any culture and country there are exceptions, but China is no where near as backward as we are told. Through out China you can find many products lines that are good quality. It isn't China who writes the specs for the products manufactured for American brand names. In fact the Chinese would be only too happy to manufacture items of higher quality to improve the reputation in the world and make more money for themselves. We must be willing to pay more for products of higher quality and shun purchasing brands that are rife with schlock.
 
Foreign production

Mixfinder, you certainly bring up a good point because we as consumers are partly to blame in our seemingly endless desire for more purchasing power. Many high-quality products of 30 to 40 years ago have been turned into cheap commodities (i.e. AT & T telephones, Chicago Cutlery knifes, and Hamilton Beach kitchen appliances) because it no longer mattered where or how they were made, just as long as they would become more affordable. It's no wonder Ebay is teaming with bidders trying to find the products of yesteryear. More and more people, including me, are fed up with the junk and worrying about whether we or our pets are going to be injured or poisoned by the very things we use and eat from everyday.
 
ADA Compliant

This is an ADA compliant model, and built in China. It is slightly shorter than GE's other dishwashers (hence the cramped interior). It uses a different pump and washing mechanism.

To the best of my knowledge, all other GE dishwasher models are produced in Louisville,KY (Appliance Park).

Barry
 
rll70sman AMEN! i totally agree with you!!!! by the way, what we all should be worried about is... and i discovered this on my dishes and many dishes my family members have is MADE IN CHINA, very soon i am buying american made dishes and throwing my chinese made from target laced with lead plates in the GARBAGE where they belong! another thing i am VERY DISSAPOINTED about is IKEA, i was there the other day and noticed everything i picked up was made in china!!! ughhhhhhh, guess i wont be shopping there anymore. i thought all of their stuff was made in sweden, no wonder its so cheap. seriously, we and our government need to wake up and stop purchasing things from china, very soon NOTHING WILL BE MADE HERE they r taking all of our jobs, and people wonder why our economy is bad and there is onlly 12 percent manufacturing jobs compared to last years 30 percent!
 
I"m not sure what the ideal behind this DW, We have it on the floor at HD, and it is very short, and not as deep.

Manual clean filter in this machine. I never did look at the tag to see where it is made in.
 
My partner's just completed office building in San Francisco required by SF building codes that the office kitchen must be ADA compliant meaning the height of the cabinets are two inches lower than standard cabinet height. Therefore standard height dishwashers could not fit in the space.
I had researched during construction and found several European manufacturers including Ariston, Miele, and Asko who made ADA compliant dishwashers but were over $1,000. The only American brand at that time was the GE model made in China. Pricing was $600. Whirlpool recently introduced a dishwasher that was ADA compliant but was essentially the GE model in a Whirlpool faceplate. The disability community is very strong and vocal in SF politics and the SF building codes reflect this strong constituency. It's a small market perhaps that why the dishwasher is made in China for a particular segment of the market so that retooling in Louisville would not be required.
 
supremewhirlpool

How can anyone get lead-poisoning by using a dishwasher ?
I knew about plates, cups and mugs releasing lead
Also knew about cars/appliances made with contaminated steel releasing radiations, probably coming from dismanted medical eq. . I do hope there arent' such criminal minds that resell steel coming from dismantled nuke power stations.

With no offence, the Chinese have a different culture and somethimes it is scaring to see the way they deal with foods.

Anyway even Americans and Europeans are focused in different ways.

Indeed I'm thinking about chicken meat. Here in EU chicken meat coming from the US is banned (not imported indeed) because is sanitized with LCB. We prefer to cook longer to sanitize rather than having to eat chlorine.
Maybe you'd never buy european chicken meat cause it hasn't been "bleached"

Again : european commercial dishwashers use Chlorine based products only in the WASH bath and "pure" water (rinse aid added) in the nearly boiling rinse. I was shocked some time ago when i read here then Hobarts models for US market add some LCB in the last rinse.
Maybe you'll get shocked by hearing that our commercial DW don't use LCB even in the rinse
 
ADA

interesting, I did not notice that.
and upon further looking, I did not find these "smaller" dishwashers on GE's site. They might be hidden in a special section. It does seem all their mainstream dishwashers are still KY made.....albeit with chinese electronics (but you can't get around that...).
Since the ADA market is so small, they may have just contracted out to the lowest bidder to just "fill the mandate." I'd understand that then.
But what I DON'T understand is why my local Best Buy (in Aurora, IL, the state's 2nd largest city) would have only 4 GE dishwashers, 2 being ADA......makes no sense.
 
Lowes sells them too. Wouldn't buy one...would gladly pay $400 more for a GE tall tub made right here in the good old USA!! If consumers will send manufacturers that message loud and clear by refusing to by this shit, it will go away.
 
Ahhhh....

...but consumers won't in a market the size of the US.

Time and again we see (everywhere, not just the US) a change in quality of manufacture or a change in country of origin but we very very rarely see a reduction in the price...

...actually, that's not quite true. The amount of 'real' money needed to buy an appliance has reduced steadily since the 1960's and our demands havn't.

Gone are the days when most consumers shopped on quality AND performance. Most today seem to be interested in the lowest price AND the most features. Those four items: low price, high quality, great performance AND lots of features just don't go together....

So get used to either

- Buying vintage while you can
- Spend more to get the quality/country of origin you need
- or do without features to get the country of origin for a lower price.

OR, bite the bullet and buy foreign.

Australians have no choice with dishwashers and washers now...they are all made overseas....so what many of us do is now look at the brands that were luxury items as little as 5-10yrs ago. For example. Bosch were at the more affordable end of luxury washers...now the low end models are made in Thailand (In a bosch factory), we can afford them...

So do we buy a Bosch or do we buy an Electrolux (also from Thailand) or a Whirlpool front loader (China) or LG/Samsung (Korea)....The list goes on....

Consumers can't have everything...they need to choose what are their priorities....

Oh, and it ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY
 
Consumer demands

You are right Ronhic,it is as simple as this most of today's consumers want, (and think they can get),Rolls Royce quality and durability but are only prepared to pay Hyundai type prices for the goods,well I am afraid square blocks do not fit into round holes no matter how much you try to push them in.
Late last year I decided to replace our 22 year old Westinghouse box type air conditioner, as it really was starting to fall apart,(if it was just regassing I would have done that in a flash.),however when looking at the local Clive Peters store,I was left with just 2 choices,Kelvinator or L.G.,I quickly chose the Kelvinator, until the salesman told me that they are not made locally any longer, they come from China and the L.G. came from South Korea,we ended up going with the L.G. as it had a few more features and I just felt that South Korea might just be a little better than China with quality,well so far so good.
I must say though that when discussing things with the chap , he did say to me that this L.G will not last 22 years like the old Westy, however it will save me money in the long run as it is far more energy efficient than the old one,I suppose time as always will tell.
Cheers.
Steve.
 
We all have to remember too, that the average appliance consumer out there is nowhere near as educated about this as we here are. We know what's good, we know what works well.

How many of us have been in appliance stores, watching consumers make purchasing decisions, and listening to them say that they just "want a machine that washes dishes" or "want a machine that washes clothes". They are completely unfamiliar with the nuances that separate the crap from the quality. Of course, the price almost always drives their decision. Never mind that the front loader they just bought washes clothes with a teaspoon of water, can't spin because it won't balance, and is made in China maybe with sealants that cause lead to leech out onto the dishes while they wash!! And on and on....

Personally, I'll gladly pay more for a quality product, even better if it's made in America, though these days there are good products available from manufacturers in other countries such as South Korea. I won't buy anything made in China for obvious reasons. I find my LG dishwasher to be very well constructed and an excellent performer. My friends also love their KitchenAids (which use an LG motor - I just think that's funny), but Maytag also builds a good dishwasher, too. Unfortunately, you will never know the countries of origin of the parts that go into building these machines, even though the final construction is done here in America, it's not necessarily an American product inside. Like Ron said, that's probably not going to change.
 
To me it makes no difference where a product is made

All I care about is the quality and durability of the product, as well as it's performance.

If a Miele were made in China or wherever, using the same parts and being manufactured in the same way, it would be just as good as the German made ones.

Products being made overseas does not have to mean a reduction of quality, just a reduction in cost. Thats a good thing to me.

I think its very outdated and, in my honest opinion, very prejudiced and discriminatory to say that good products cannot be made in certain countries. Being wary of the quality of a product is one thing, but refusing to buy it just because of the country it's made in is bordering on rascism to me.

I'm sure many poor quality products have been made in America, as they have in Britain, Europe and anywhere else in the world. The same can be said for quality products.

Next you'll be telling me not to buy Sony televisions because they're not "made in america" or wherever.

Matt
 
Picking up on what Matt said...

The base model Miele vacuum cleaner that is sold here is made in China....

...as confirmed by the statement from Miele.com.au below

So does this mean, following on from some comments above, that the quality of this/these are crap or do we have some confidence in a brand such as Miele who trade on their build quality and reliability to ensure that ALL their factories have a certain level of ISO quality?

http://www.miele.com.au/au/domestic/company/2080_13696.htm
 
Toploader1984

I know the Maytag Dishwasher are made in America. It was on John Ratzenberger's Made in America show last year.

With the "new" Maytag design, I am not sure where they are made..
 
Paging Gansky...

Greg and I had a good laugh at Nebraska Furniture Mart over this little gem.

Not only is this Haier-rebadge the $599 pricepoint entry for GE, you'll be pleased to know that WHIRLPOOL also offers it at the same pricepoint in their lineup. Slightly different control panel, completely identical interior.

We were shocked enough when we saw the GE model, but when we spotted the same thing with a Whirlpool badge, we felt used and dirty.
 
Midea Company makes these ADA machines for GE and WP, probably others - their website lists Merloni as well. In addition to that market niche, the price-point for the stainless steel machine is very tempting for direct consumers (priced at $449 in stainless-front here) but also for builders looking to maximize the looks for the buck. When Nate and I saw these machines a few months ago, I did some clicking and reading on the company that makes them, where they are made and lots of customer reviews. Ranging from "This isn't the [insert brand] dishwashers I've had before..." to "WTF?" the reviews pretty much sucked across the board. I have played with one at an office we clean that installed it because of the ADA rules and I saw a newer home development downtown with these dishwashers, not for the ADA need but for the price-point.

Interestingly, in 2008, Midea bought a 24.01% share in Little Swan Company maker of the GE front-loading washers.

http://global.midea.com.cn/midea/index.do
 

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