There is an ADA model under the Frigidaire label as well...prolly by the same manufacturer.
Chinese GE dishwashers! what?
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andrewinorlando
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Lowes sells them too. Wouldn't buy one...would gladly pay $400 more for a GE tall tub made right here in the good old USA!! If consumers will send manufacturers that message loud and clear by refusing to by this shit, it will go away.
ronhic
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Ahhhh....
...but consumers won't in a market the size of the US.
Time and again we see (everywhere, not just the US) a change in quality of manufacture or a change in country of origin but we very very rarely see a reduction in the price...
...actually, that's not quite true. The amount of 'real' money needed to buy an appliance has reduced steadily since the 1960's and our demands havn't.
Gone are the days when most consumers shopped on quality AND performance. Most today seem to be interested in the lowest price AND the most features. Those four items: low price, high quality, great performance AND lots of features just don't go together....
So get used to either
- Buying vintage while you can
- Spend more to get the quality/country of origin you need
- or do without features to get the country of origin for a lower price.
OR, bite the bullet and buy foreign.
Australians have no choice with dishwashers and washers now...they are all made overseas....so what many of us do is now look at the brands that were luxury items as little as 5-10yrs ago. For example. Bosch were at the more affordable end of luxury washers...now the low end models are made in Thailand (In a bosch factory), we can afford them...
So do we buy a Bosch or do we buy an Electrolux (also from Thailand) or a Whirlpool front loader (China) or LG/Samsung (Korea)....The list goes on....
Consumers can't have everything...they need to choose what are their priorities....
Oh, and it ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY
...but consumers won't in a market the size of the US.
Time and again we see (everywhere, not just the US) a change in quality of manufacture or a change in country of origin but we very very rarely see a reduction in the price...
...actually, that's not quite true. The amount of 'real' money needed to buy an appliance has reduced steadily since the 1960's and our demands havn't.
Gone are the days when most consumers shopped on quality AND performance. Most today seem to be interested in the lowest price AND the most features. Those four items: low price, high quality, great performance AND lots of features just don't go together....
So get used to either
- Buying vintage while you can
- Spend more to get the quality/country of origin you need
- or do without features to get the country of origin for a lower price.
OR, bite the bullet and buy foreign.
Australians have no choice with dishwashers and washers now...they are all made overseas....so what many of us do is now look at the brands that were luxury items as little as 5-10yrs ago. For example. Bosch were at the more affordable end of luxury washers...now the low end models are made in Thailand (In a bosch factory), we can afford them...
So do we buy a Bosch or do we buy an Electrolux (also from Thailand) or a Whirlpool front loader (China) or LG/Samsung (Korea)....The list goes on....
Consumers can't have everything...they need to choose what are their priorities....
Oh, and it ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY
twinniefan
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You are right Ronhic,it is as simple as this most of today's consumers want, (and think they can get),Rolls Royce quality and durability but are only prepared to pay Hyundai type prices for the goods,well I am afraid square blocks do not fit into round holes no matter how much you try to push them in.
Late last year I decided to replace our 22 year old Westinghouse box type air conditioner, as it really was starting to fall apart,(if it was just regassing I would have done that in a flash.),however when looking at the local Clive Peters store,I was left with just 2 choices,Kelvinator or L.G.,I quickly chose the Kelvinator, until the salesman told me that they are not made locally any longer, they come from China and the L.G. came from South Korea,we ended up going with the L.G. as it had a few more features and I just felt that South Korea might just be a little better than China with quality,well so far so good.
I must say though that when discussing things with the chap , he did say to me that this L.G will not last 22 years like the old Westy, however it will save me money in the long run as it is far more energy efficient than the old one,I suppose time as always will tell.
Cheers.
Steve.
You are right Ronhic,it is as simple as this most of today's consumers want, (and think they can get),Rolls Royce quality and durability but are only prepared to pay Hyundai type prices for the goods,well I am afraid square blocks do not fit into round holes no matter how much you try to push them in.
Late last year I decided to replace our 22 year old Westinghouse box type air conditioner, as it really was starting to fall apart,(if it was just regassing I would have done that in a flash.),however when looking at the local Clive Peters store,I was left with just 2 choices,Kelvinator or L.G.,I quickly chose the Kelvinator, until the salesman told me that they are not made locally any longer, they come from China and the L.G. came from South Korea,we ended up going with the L.G. as it had a few more features and I just felt that South Korea might just be a little better than China with quality,well so far so good.
I must say though that when discussing things with the chap , he did say to me that this L.G will not last 22 years like the old Westy, however it will save me money in the long run as it is far more energy efficient than the old one,I suppose time as always will tell.
Cheers.
Steve.
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We all have to remember too, that the average appliance consumer out there is nowhere near as educated about this as we here are. We know what's good, we know what works well.
How many of us have been in appliance stores, watching consumers make purchasing decisions, and listening to them say that they just "want a machine that washes dishes" or "want a machine that washes clothes". They are completely unfamiliar with the nuances that separate the crap from the quality. Of course, the price almost always drives their decision. Never mind that the front loader they just bought washes clothes with a teaspoon of water, can't spin because it won't balance, and is made in China maybe with sealants that cause lead to leech out onto the dishes while they wash!! And on and on....
Personally, I'll gladly pay more for a quality product, even better if it's made in America, though these days there are good products available from manufacturers in other countries such as South Korea. I won't buy anything made in China for obvious reasons. I find my LG dishwasher to be very well constructed and an excellent performer. My friends also love their KitchenAids (which use an LG motor - I just think that's funny), but Maytag also builds a good dishwasher, too. Unfortunately, you will never know the countries of origin of the parts that go into building these machines, even though the final construction is done here in America, it's not necessarily an American product inside. Like Ron said, that's probably not going to change.
How many of us have been in appliance stores, watching consumers make purchasing decisions, and listening to them say that they just "want a machine that washes dishes" or "want a machine that washes clothes". They are completely unfamiliar with the nuances that separate the crap from the quality. Of course, the price almost always drives their decision. Never mind that the front loader they just bought washes clothes with a teaspoon of water, can't spin because it won't balance, and is made in China maybe with sealants that cause lead to leech out onto the dishes while they wash!! And on and on....
Personally, I'll gladly pay more for a quality product, even better if it's made in America, though these days there are good products available from manufacturers in other countries such as South Korea. I won't buy anything made in China for obvious reasons. I find my LG dishwasher to be very well constructed and an excellent performer. My friends also love their KitchenAids (which use an LG motor - I just think that's funny), but Maytag also builds a good dishwasher, too. Unfortunately, you will never know the countries of origin of the parts that go into building these machines, even though the final construction is done here in America, it's not necessarily an American product inside. Like Ron said, that's probably not going to change.
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does anybody know of any dishwashers assembled in usa?
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To me it makes no difference where a product is made
All I care about is the quality and durability of the product, as well as it's performance.
If a Miele were made in China or wherever, using the same parts and being manufactured in the same way, it would be just as good as the German made ones.
Products being made overseas does not have to mean a reduction of quality, just a reduction in cost. Thats a good thing to me.
I think its very outdated and, in my honest opinion, very prejudiced and discriminatory to say that good products cannot be made in certain countries. Being wary of the quality of a product is one thing, but refusing to buy it just because of the country it's made in is bordering on rascism to me.
I'm sure many poor quality products have been made in America, as they have in Britain, Europe and anywhere else in the world. The same can be said for quality products.
Next you'll be telling me not to buy Sony televisions because they're not "made in america" or wherever.
Matt
All I care about is the quality and durability of the product, as well as it's performance.
If a Miele were made in China or wherever, using the same parts and being manufactured in the same way, it would be just as good as the German made ones.
Products being made overseas does not have to mean a reduction of quality, just a reduction in cost. Thats a good thing to me.
I think its very outdated and, in my honest opinion, very prejudiced and discriminatory to say that good products cannot be made in certain countries. Being wary of the quality of a product is one thing, but refusing to buy it just because of the country it's made in is bordering on rascism to me.
I'm sure many poor quality products have been made in America, as they have in Britain, Europe and anywhere else in the world. The same can be said for quality products.
Next you'll be telling me not to buy Sony televisions because they're not "made in america" or wherever.
Matt
ronhic
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Picking up on what Matt said...
The base model Miele vacuum cleaner that is sold here is made in China....
...as confirmed by the statement from Miele.com.au below
So does this mean, following on from some comments above, that the quality of this/these are crap or do we have some confidence in a brand such as Miele who trade on their build quality and reliability to ensure that ALL their factories have a certain level of ISO quality?
The base model Miele vacuum cleaner that is sold here is made in China....
...as confirmed by the statement from Miele.com.au below
So does this mean, following on from some comments above, that the quality of this/these are crap or do we have some confidence in a brand such as Miele who trade on their build quality and reliability to ensure that ALL their factories have a certain level of ISO quality?
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Paging Gansky...
Greg and I had a good laugh at Nebraska Furniture Mart over this little gem.
Not only is this Haier-rebadge the $599 pricepoint entry for GE, you'll be pleased to know that WHIRLPOOL also offers it at the same pricepoint in their lineup. Slightly different control panel, completely identical interior.
We were shocked enough when we saw the GE model, but when we spotted the same thing with a Whirlpool badge, we felt used and dirty.
Greg and I had a good laugh at Nebraska Furniture Mart over this little gem.
Not only is this Haier-rebadge the $599 pricepoint entry for GE, you'll be pleased to know that WHIRLPOOL also offers it at the same pricepoint in their lineup. Slightly different control panel, completely identical interior.
We were shocked enough when we saw the GE model, but when we spotted the same thing with a Whirlpool badge, we felt used and dirty.
Midea Company makes these ADA machines for GE and WP, probably others - their website lists Merloni as well. In addition to that market niche, the price-point for the stainless steel machine is very tempting for direct consumers (priced at $449 in stainless-front here) but also for builders looking to maximize the looks for the buck. When Nate and I saw these machines a few months ago, I did some clicking and reading on the company that makes them, where they are made and lots of customer reviews. Ranging from "This isn't the [insert brand] dishwashers I've had before..." to "WTF?" the reviews pretty much sucked across the board. I have played with one at an office we clean that installed it because of the ADA rules and I saw a newer home development downtown with these dishwashers, not for the ADA need but for the price-point.
Interestingly, in 2008, Midea bought a 24.01% share in Little Swan Company maker of the GE front-loading washers.
Interestingly, in 2008, Midea bought a 24.01% share in Little Swan Company maker of the GE front-loading washers.
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What I first noticed on the one here at the office was, besides the small racks, the racks did not glide but rather stuck several times coming out and going back in.
The bottom rack catches on the rather large door gasket which will eventually tear with 36 people pushing and pulling at it. The cutlery basket is flimsey and dime store cheap. Though the racks seem to be rather sturdy.
The manual clean filter is not a problem here as most of the dishes are coffee cups, snack plates and silverware.
The thing is Obscenely quiet. I mean stealth quiet. As I said in a previous post, you can't tell it's running unless you look at the control pannel, or see the steam escaping the vent. It has been running about two loads a week for a year now with no problems. (Wish I could say the same for the Whirlpool Side by Side we got at the same time.)
Time will tell.
The bottom rack catches on the rather large door gasket which will eventually tear with 36 people pushing and pulling at it. The cutlery basket is flimsey and dime store cheap. Though the racks seem to be rather sturdy.
The manual clean filter is not a problem here as most of the dishes are coffee cups, snack plates and silverware.
The thing is Obscenely quiet. I mean stealth quiet. As I said in a previous post, you can't tell it's running unless you look at the control pannel, or see the steam escaping the vent. It has been running about two loads a week for a year now with no problems. (Wish I could say the same for the Whirlpool Side by Side we got at the same time.)
Time will tell.
Word has it that Frigidaire is now sourcing this machine for their ADA compliant d/w too.
At one time I'd heard that the only GE dishwashers made outside of Asia were the tall-tub stainless tank machines. Anyone know for sure?
At one time I'd heard that the only GE dishwashers made outside of Asia were the tall-tub stainless tank machines. Anyone know for sure?
