Coakley Conceeds - Brown Wins MA Senate Seat

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Is there a bookie in the house?

OK I'm calling it. Before the tenth panel there will be bloodshed.

Just remember darlings, on multiple-choice tests "ALWAYS" and "NEVER" are usually the wrong answer.

If you are absolutely convinced that your Democratic, Repulician, Communist, Socialist or Whatever-ist way of thinking is the ONLY possbile reasonable way to think, you are probably automatically WRONG!

Just because one holds a point of view fervently and insists is is correct doesn't make make it so.

Have mercy on yoruselves and each other.

May the bloodshed begin..............
 
No Bloodshed here.. Toggles~

My hope is after the last thread, people can express themselves here in a respectful manner. I, for one, won't comment on the results of this election.

More importantly, I think the "Super Forum" needs to get back to basics- IMHO. You know, trading recipes, and discussing blenders, among other things vintage.

Here is my blender. A fabulous, mint condition, 1963, Osterizer beehive. It's a real workhorse!

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Jon Stewart got it right last night --"Who cares?" His point was that Bush pushed through all his crap with a handful of people, whereas the Dems, still have what 18 seats- and they still can't get anything done? Obama needs Bush's balls and just ram his plans through, but unfortunately it will never happen.

The Dems just dither while the R's play hardball and screw us all.
 
In the US Senate, the party of No always holds the upper hand. It only takes 41 of them to enable a single senator to obstruct and delay progressive legislation. It takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass progressive legislation. On the flip side, those who want to maintain the status quo (because they, or their donors, are profiting so handsomely from it) need only have 41 votes to maintain it.

When people complain about the lack of change in Washington, I like to remind them that the Dems have had a filibuster-proof Senate majority for less than a year, and now it's gone. The do-nothings have won, once again.
 
Probably shouldn't have started this thread in hindsight, but being as though the cat is out of the bag, so to speak:

Watching the late news and reading same on line, it wasn't purely a party line thing with voters in MA, but rather a mixture.

Far to many in MA felt the Democrats in their state have been playing fast and loose, and the stunt pulled after Senator Kennedy's death, reversing a law they themselves (and the late Mr. Kennedy wished for at the time), put into place to prevent a governor from appointing a senate replacement capped things off.

There is also the simple fact many both in MA and elsewhere feel that Mr. Brown ran a better race than Mrs. Coakley. While the former busied himself criss crossing the state, Mrs. Coakley spent her time meeting with the established MA politcal machine. Mrs. Coakely also spoke rather low of going out and "shaking hands/meeting people", instead preferring to bask in her role as appointed heir by the widow Kennedy, and the Kennedy family. In short Mr. Brown seemed to work really hard at the race, while Mrs. Coakley seemed to take every thing including winning as her proper due. It was only in the final few weeks that, after dismissing Mr. Brown so forth, finall woke up and smelt the coffee.

Oh and another thing, though it is not often mentioned in polite society, more than a few persons seem to take offense in the Kennedy family, and in particular his relic acting as if that senate seat was their own person property. One knows the Kennedy family like to be associated with "American royalty", but there isn't such a thing.

L.
 
Well, until the next election, we'll have a lot of fun with the political fallout of this election. Watch how everyone in DC scrambles to save their political hides.

Looking forward to next November's flush...
 
Launderess, there is no reason to not voice your opinion, in this case Brown's victory caught many by surprise. alr2903
 
I figured Coakley had serious problems when I read, a week before the election, that she had purposely focused on the party leadership rather than on the voters. Her reason was that because it was a foreshortened campaign, this was the most efficient use of time and resources. Unfortunately the independents didn't appreciate her cost-benefit analysis.

She made other blunders as well, getting the allegiance of a famous Red Sox player wrong, and scoffing at standing in the cold and shaking hands with fans as they waited for a major hockey game to let them in.

But I think it would be wrong to characterize her as elitist. I understand she came from a relatively pedestrian economic background. She seems to be rather conservative when it comes to fighting crime, as well, as might be expected from a former DA and current attorney general.

I believe Coakley is a hard worker, bright, and her heart is in the right place. But perhaps she didn't have the legislative experience, and the political savvy, to run an effective Senate campaign under these somewhat unusual circumstances.
 
Hard not to notice that nobody from the Bay State ('ground zero') has commented yet!

Well, didn't see this coming.

A number of people I spoke with here in MA did.

If you are absolutely convinced that your Democratic, Repulician, Communist, Socialist or Whatever-ist way of thinking is the ONLY possbile reasonable way to think, you are probably automatically WRONG!

Excellent point, Steve!

it wasn't purely a party line thing with voters in MA, but rather a mixture

Very true.

I still say that every Republican opposed to government run health care should give theirs up immediately

What about Democrats opposed to it? Far be it from me to defend Reps, but there are plenty of Dems who are also opposed to the current offering.

Personally, I saw good reasons to vote for either of the main candidates. In the end, one spoke to me a little more than the other.

I'm just thankful the election's over. No more continuous political ads on TV or on web pages. As for what happens now, we'll see. All the conjecture in the world is just that: conjecture.

Chuck
 
but there are plenty of Dems who are also opposed to the cur

Fair point. ANYONE receiving Government benefits who opposes Government-run health care should give theirs up to any citizen who is being ruined by the health care for profit system.
 
Where is my ten foot pole when I need it? I guess I'll won't be able to touch this topic! Anyway, both parties have "issues" and really could care less about us, the people, that put them in the lap of luxury.
 
Here I go again in all my anal-retentive glory:

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Sign in Irish pub:

English spoken
American Understood.

OK I just HAVE to say it.

The expression, please, is "COULD NOT CARE LESS" meaning one does not care at all. (i.e. It is not possible to care less than I do).

If you "could care less" it means you care somewhat. Logical isn't it?

:-)

Polititcs are like guns. Anyone who wants a gun is exactly the person that should not have one. Ditto political positions.

Remember the WIFM. (What's in it for me?) is always at play.
 
Yeah, yeah. I figured someone would pick up on my slip up. I also figured it would be you, Mr. Switch. I only realized what I had typed up there after I read the posts again. lol
 
So much for not correcting anyone. LOL

Sorry baby-boy. We all have our issues. (Mine are huge tomes actually).

Hey, If I couln't bitch, moan, p - - - and carry-on would life be any fun?

Yes I really was a professor of English at Oxford University in a past life. LOL
 
> I still say that every Republican opposed to government run health care should give theirs up immediately. <

IMO nothing sums it up as well as the above comment.

Mr. Brown will soon join this list of raging hypocrites.
 
relax and laugh. no harm or poking meant. Then search around and watch as Hitler discovers other things. I liked when he found that Space Mountain was closed for refurbishment when he was planning to go to Disney World.
 
Mr. Brown will soon join this list of raging hypocrites...

I think he already joined.

He supported the 2006 Massachusetts Health Care Bill, which is very similar to that being bounced around in Congess.

But in order to get elected, he came out against the federal version.

Sheer political hypocracy. He'll fit right in with no on-the-job training needed.
 
actually, not.

I don't know Mr. Brown personally. I don't even live in Massachusetts anymore. But the 2K6 bill which penalized people who didn't buy private insurance...means that a lot of the folks Iknow STILL don't have insurance 'cause they can't afford to buy it (they make too much for the sliding scale from the state and not enough to buy it on the market) and so now they are still not covered yet paying state penalties.

So...I can understand it.
 
What amazes me . . .

is that everyone, Democrats and Republicans alike, don't agree that we must address how the expense of American healthcare affects our ability to compete on an international level. Look at the bankruptcies of GM and Chrysler and you'll see that healthcare costs had a lot to do with their problems. Both Japan and Germany have retained significant manufacturing which contributes heavily to their continued prosperity while a huge part of our manufacturing capabilities have been shut down due to costs, even though labor here is no more expensive than in Japan and Germany. Health care costs isn't the only reason for this but it's a big one. We are becoming a nation of smaller businesses which are expected to be able to shoulder some of the highest healthcare costs in the world when even large corporations can't do it. I am by no means a socialist, but at this point only the government has the resources to do anything about it. For us to succesfully compete with third-world countries means making the most of our better efficiency, which becomes a joke when you realize that our healthcare system is patched together mess that siphons off a disproportionate amount of money for the insurance and legal professions. I would never support dismantling this system by force, but there damn well should be some more efficient competition; after all, being competitive is supposed to be the American way.
 
well that is certainly true.

Preventative medicine? Using cheaper medicines when necessary and when they work? Figure out if the >50% of USAians who take maintenance doses of prescription medicines actually need them? Who knows?

I'm healthy -- my healthcare costs are cheap but the lifestyle cost is expensive: I eat right (I estimate it costs me 1-2 hours/day to have sit down meals and wash the dishes), exercise (1 hour/day), and try and sleep enough. I drink alcohol but rarely. At nearly 45, I am 15 pounds overweight BUT have a BP of 112/70, a cholesterol of 165, and other similar good things.

It isn't genetic. I have 2 siblings who are in crappy health. I have a mother with kidney problems and a dad who died from cancer at a young age (smoke 3 packs a day and drink a 12 pack, as well as agent orange exposure and who knows what else DOES take its toll).

I'm NOT gloating. I'm not. What I AM saying is that taking charge of your own destiny is one way to lower your cost of health care. The biggest nuisance I now have is middle age presbyopia - but that is normal.

Obviously were I to contract cancer, or have a car wreck, or whatever, that would be expensive. But I'm thinking that a big single cost to our healthcare expenses is the constant small to large costs that go on...and on...and on.

Hunter
 
taking charge of your own destiny is one way to lower your c

BINGO!

Ask any senior (especailly females) what they would do different if they could live life all over again. #1 Answer: Take better care of themselves when they were younger.
 
Our health care system is already socialized. In the U.S., anyone can walk into any county health clinic with a serious medical problem and get free treatment, and we all pay the cost for that treatment.

For any insurance system to work, an adequate number of healthy people must be paying more money into it than they're taking out, to compensate for those who're doing the opposite. Imagine if the only people who carried automobile insurance were the ones who regularly got into accidents? As crazy as that sounds, that's basically the situation we have in our current health care system, and it's not working.

One case in point is my dad. For 35 years he paid the premiums on his health insurance policy, without making a single claim. Then he came down with cancer (which was successfully treated with radiation), and the response of his insurer was to raise his monthly premium to $1100, more than the mortgage payment on his home. After shopping other insurers, none of whom would even offer him a policy, his only option was to drop his insurance altogether and go on Medicaid. Now we're all paying for his health care. Thanks a lot, guys. Much appreciated.

And this is what Republicans have offered so far as a "solution" to the health care crisis.
 
uh, last I noted...

...this was also all that the democrats were offering as well.

"YOu must buy health insurance."

And yes, our healthcare is already socialized. it's a dirty little secret that healthcare, with its out of control costs, is paid for 60% by federal government. This is medicare/medicaid/VA/federal subsidizes to public hospitals/etc. This stat was quoted to me in the late 90s when working in healthcare IT.

But you know, Medicaid is 'the public option.' Alas, given its low reimbursement rate (mostly because of its high administrative overhead I would imagine) many, many, many providers have opted out of it...because they cannot make cost of doing business from it. Why? Well, insanely structured regulation is one...high malpractice insurance another...yes a doctor may make a big salary, but, he also dedicates his entire life to medicine, doing little else. What cost a life?

Ultimately there is no good solution. At least your dad HAS medicaid. Under a different public option scheme he wouldn't be treated as he is no longer 'economically viable.'

Hunter
 
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