Cold water washing- WHY?!?!?

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I was visiting some friends who wash EVERYTHING in cold well water, with cheapo detergent (xtra), and to make things even worse, they dont sort anything. dirty greasy work clothes, towels, dish cloths, underwear, socks, it all goes in. Then set the washer (low end whirlpool direct drive) on the extra heavy setting (18 minutes), and add a capful of soap. Well I said id help out with the laundry and so I put the temperature to warm and added about 3 capfuls of their cheap detergent.( I didnt measure it, just poured some from the bottle) and fired up the washer. a few minutes into the wash the water was brown (washing some jeans, some t shirts and some gray or white socks *not sure what color they were supposed to be* and nothing looked terribly dirty) and the clothes were clean at the end of the cycle (and smelled better too!) My question is why do some people seem to overlook how bad their clothes are coming out just to save a few dollars? even sorting properly and still washing in cold water would get better results than this!
 
mmmmm......

.....74% of Australians either exclusively or predominately use cold water for clothes washing....

As for using a cheap liquid, well they are proven to not work particularly effectively......
 
mmmmm......

.....74% of Australians either exclusively or predominately use cold water for clothes washing....

As for using a cheap liquid, well they are proven to not work particularly effectively......
 
brilliant idea!

I am thinking of making a concoction of powdered laundry detergent and either clorox2 or Tide stain release and trying it out on our whites and if all goes well, giving them some and telling them to try it on whites and see if they like it and to use it in warm water so it will dissolve. that sounds like it should work and will sneak some good stain removal additives into their laundry! I am sure they will like having clean clothes and then I can tell them what is in it, and that the warm water did more than my mixture!
 
People don't realize that the few dollars they try to save doing laundry like that, costs them when they have to replace the clothes that are damaged or are so stained and ruined and need to be thrown out. Laundry done properly will make clothes last much longer. I still have t-shirts from highschool that still are in pretty good shape. And I graduated in 1996 lol.
 
exactly!

people think they are saving money by washing everything in cold water with el cheapo detergent, but they are just wasting more money by destroying their clothes!
 
Well I just think of it as their loss. Although when I spent the weekend with a friend of mine in San Diego a few years ago and I didn't have time to do laundry before I left. So I did it there with his stuff. And he's the "do everything together in cold water" type of person. I said "bulls--t", you go to work and I'll take care of this. When he came home, his whites were white again, and his button up work shirts were brighter and looked much better. He asked how I did that, I said I seperated them, washed the whites in hot water with bleach, and the rest in hot or warm water and made sure towels weren't in with clothes, you know, like you're SUPPOSED TO! LOL
 
Why, I never

wash anything in cold water.Even my hands.I use hot for my whites,bed linens, bath and beach towels,underwear, throw rugs,and socks. I use a warm rinse because a cold rinse does not remove all the left over detergent.I wash my colorfast clothes in hot water too. the rest are all done with a warm wash and warm rinse.Everything I dye or tint gets done in hot water with about 1/2 C of sea salt and rinsed until the water is clear in warm. I get lots of complements from customers who come to drop their clothes.They see the ones hanging to dry and not only see how clean they are but,also,smell the fresh Gain sent they have.Cold water washing is only for wollens and some man made synthetics.I still have the great rainbow striped bath towel ensembles I purchased at Sears twelve years ago and they get washed weekly in hot water with Gain and Clorox Bleach.My bed linens are also a rainbow pattern and they also get washed weekly in hot water with no bleach.
 
these "cold wash only" people are those very ones that write on forums looking for help cause their washers are possessed by mold & mildew :))
 
Well it is interesting, but I can promise you that Australians by and large don't smell, and our clothes are clean (says I who washes in warm water...)

Also consider that, given 74% of the population do wash in cold water, just how much energy is saved on annual basis...

The approximate difference in cost assuming 7 cycles a week is around $40 per year....

If we assume for a minute that all house holds are 4 people and they only do 7 loads a week and our population is 22 million....and we use 75% rather than 74% to make the maths easy...

Thats 5.5million family units....

...of which 4.125million wash in cold water....

multiplied by $40 each.....$165,000,000.00 dollars in energy saved as a nation.....

Washing in cold water does not have to give poor results. Our consumer magazine doesn't test detergents in warm or hot water anymore because the majority don't use it. The top performing detergents today - Omo and Drive...were the top performing 10 years ago too....and the performance scores are the same today in cold as they were in warm. In fact, the difference is normally less than we can visibly detect with our eye(around 6%) if an item is washed in cold and an item with the same soil level is washed in warm using the same detergent....
 
My wife's uncle was a bachelor who was never taught the coreect way to do laundry either. Well, while he was still living at home I happened to be out at his house one day and noticed that his laundry basket was full and volunteered to take his dirty clothes home with me.

I sorted his laundry correctly, used the correct water temps, measured the detergent properly, and each tub of wash water (3) was absolutely black. I double rinsed each load and even the rinse water was gray looking.

When I brought the clean laundry back to him he asked what I did, and I told him. He said he put as much as he could into his washer (Maytag wringer), dumped in some powdered Cheer, added lukewarm water, and let it wash for 20 minutes. He had his washer so full, the clothes couldn't roll over. The agitator just jiggled the load a little. His wearing the same shirt and pants for 5-7 days in a row didn't help either.

P.S. We have a 1998 Maytag Dependable Care set as our daily drivers.
 
Cold Facts

Yes, I admit doing laundry in cold water--but only my colored shirts, jeans and slacks. They are usually in need of freshening, and the combination of cold water, proper loading and a good detergent does the trick, along with a low heat setting on my dryer. My whites--from sheets and towels to underwear and socks--get the hot water treatment and occasional bleach. Plus, after every washday, I leave the lid on my faithful Roper top loader open to air out. So IMHO, there's nothing wrong with a cold water wash--when done right
 
"Cold" water can cover a wide range of temperatures. In some parts of the US and the world, cold water may be what other people consider warm.

I live in Philly, and in the winter I have measured the cold water coming out of my tap as low as 36F (2C), and as warm as 83F (28C) in summer. A coworker of mine who lives in Phoenix says his cold water sometimes tops 90F.
 
Also, do not overload. My mother in law overloads all the time, so much that after the cycle is over there is only 3-4 inches between the clothes and the agitator. Once she was staying at my sisters house, and did the laundry. Once I had to come over. I had to wash my hands in the bathroom and when I reached for the hand towel, the water made the towel smell so bad I nearly panicked. An awful mold smell. I did their laundry for awhile just so I would never have to run into a smelly towel again.
 
smelly towel

That's the most disgusting thing that can happen in any household! :S

I have a dear friend in France with this problem regardless the use of a nice machine (he's got a Candy pair and the washer is the same as mine!!!!!) and good detergent (Le Chat powder and green liquid).
He (and his family) don't sort colours and only wash in cold water... he lives in the alps and water is COLD in winter! :S
That's so disgusting :S :S
 
still,

Xtra is still some of the cheapest detergent you can buy, and is nothing compared to Tide, or Era, or arm & hammer. I do like some of the scents though, (mountain rain, tropical passion, summer fiesta, and the original sparkling fresh scent that is no longer made.) It works ok on lightly soiled loads, but not heavy soil, and not in cold water!
 
And Tide works no better, except it costs upwards of $20-$30 a jug and makes the work sour after ~6-7 hours sitting in the machine. Xtra works a lot better than Tide. Nothing really works in cold water. Light to moderate I use Xtra, Arm&Hammer(maybe), Purex, Plus(green box),Roma. For heavy soil Plus (orange box), Foca, additives here and there. Soap scent is negligible when it comes to clean clothes. People do give me Tide and others, but usually I throw it out cause it just don't work. Xtra may be "cheap", but it works. A lot of people don't have money to burn on crap like Tide. Tell ya what, The next time you have some money to burn on some Tide, send some my way, I'll be sure to put it to good use(money or Tide). Otherwise Tide = FAIL
 
I meant powder Tide, sorry. I am highly allergic to liquid Tide and therefore hate it! powder Tide original scent HE cleans very well and you can use way less than what the instructions say and still get clean clothes. That offsets the price, but it can still cause sticker shock! When we had a top loader we almost always used Xtra, Sun, or Purex, and our clothes were clean. I agree that Xtra does fine on light to moderate soil, but is basically useless on grease, oil or heavy dirt. We are currently using Arm and hammer for heavily soiled loads and whites, and a cheap store brand for colors and lightly soiled loads. I think I will get a bottle of Xtra when these are gone and use it for everything as an experiment, because we have not used it regularly since we got a front loader because it is not HE, but it is relatively low sudsing so it should work out ok. You should try powder Tide if you havent though, because it is way better than liquid.
 
I'm also not a fan of liquid Tide. I cannot say how well it does or does not clean. But the last time I tried it, the scent was overpoweringly strong. Honestly, I wonder if liquid Tide cleans by having a scent so strong that that dirt will do anything to get away from it.

I have only had experience with the standard Tide powder. Scent is acceptable, but I don't really notice enough of cleaning difference to make the price worth it.

Next time I get detergent, maybe I'll try Xtra...although I'm personally not wild about liquids. Cheap, low power detergents are probably worth considering. No, won't clean the dirtiest laundry. But often for me--and many others, I'm sure--a certain percentage of laundry isn't very dirty. It's bigger need is simply freshening up.
 
Tide made a powder version?

Oh yes I remember, I've used it only once and that was ~12 years ago. At that point I wasn't washing anything that really needed to be cleaned. Plus brand can be expensive, but it is worth it. I will look for the powder version and when I see it on sale, I'll get a small box ->see what it does. But yes, the liquid stuff is just the pits. In general I think powders work better than the liquid versions of detergent, but that can be hard to test with flawless results. Now I do use both powder and liquid detergents->Liquid for when I used the WP/KN TL DD machines(makes dis-assembly of the machine easier), and mostly powder with the Primus commercial FL that I have now->this machine has no spider. When I use my Ariston W/D combo machine(rarely) I use liquid only->has spider. Mom and the family used both powder and liquid when they used the 99' Whirlpool TOL DD, since someone(who will remain nameless) thought the KN calypso that was destined to go to scrap looked cute, Liquid only can be used for that machine.
 
Tide was a powder long before it was liquid. But these days, it seems like liquids completely dominate the market.

I personally prefer powders. I haven't done any testing to see what cleans better, but I have the sense that powders work better--at least for me. If nothing else, the "old fashioned" powder seems like a better match for an "old fashioned" washer!

Another thought: so many liquids have scents that are either atrocious, too strong, or--all too often--both atrocious and strong. While some powders have scents I don't particularly like, to date I haven't found a powder that was totally unacceptable.
 
Powder all the way...

I never use liquid or gel detergents, simply because they don’t contain bleach. My parents use liquid detergents and as a result the rubber seal on their Hotpoint washer has the dreaded black mould!
 
using bleach

tells it all.

The regularity, the unquestioned normality which is bleached with, that tells it all.
Warm fill (I do doubt gas heaters could provide a real "hot" fill anyway) makes bleach a necessity, not to mention the "cold proven" fact that hot water on dirty clothes DOES have a tendency to bake in all protein-based dirts into the fabrics.

Had that GE Filter Flo for some while (2 years) on a cold line only. This didn't make even THAT much of a difference what comes to cleanliness. Agreement on the Aussie line: NO, you do not stink at all.

Now having come back to a mixed blend of front and top loaders with and without internal heaters, having cold and "hot" feed all the same I can say the following:

Cold wash IS good enough for a normal cleaning.
And yes, washing those clothes in warm or hot water WILL yield more browning to the water drained from the wash cycle but what the heck do you want to accomplish? Have neighbors come and watch the drain pipe?
But what the heck: Wash cold or lukewarm as you want, then pop in a hot wash every now and then (each time you feel like it).
Be sure to use a "heats up on its own" machine, be sure to have a horizontal axis machine in order to not spend too much money on heating up swimming pools full of water for some weary and arbitrary shaky to-and-fro swishing. It is the suddenness of movements comparing fabric to water suds which makes cleaning effective, not the optical drama of the machines interior mechanisms (my experience)

So more or less slowly pulling/pushing clothes through a shipload of water is NOT nearly effective as the sudden bang-and-squeeze-out of fabric hitting an low-level sump of water (read: drum type machines, ok, Calypso and Cabrio machines are excepted, they DO have this action and can do it as well).
Whether this is technically well realized is another thing, but for a proof of the theory I have practically found this:

(Like school grades)
Drum type cold wash: C
Drum type hot wash on hot fill: B
Drum type cold to hot wash: A
Agitator wash, cold only: F
Agitator wash warm or hot fill: D
Agitator wash cold fill and heat up: non existent.

Also, I have never ever found a substantial difference in cleaning but a substantial difference in energy costs. So I tend to wash everything as cool as I can, popping in one or the other hot wash here and there, whenever I feel like it. Does it perfectly, no complaints.

Hot or hottest wash everytime? Reminds me of an architect friend's saying: "Tract houses, where dust bunnies are just as rare as real orgasms" or to put it another way: Overly überprecise housewives' behavior, detergent company induced.
Sorry, not my way. Too harsh? Sorry again, I mean it. Sorry for being not THAT German.

Clean is good, overclean is neurotic. (My 2 ct).
 
"Warm Fill" or Even "Hot Fill" via petrol (gas or oil) water heaters is quite possible, at least on this side of the pond. However much will depend upon several factors including the setting of the boiler/water heater.

Boiler for our building delivers tap hot water at around 125F during warmer months, and it reaches the washer (first a Malber, then now Miele) which is located not a few feet away at nearly the same temp. After a long wash cycle in either, water drains at about ten or twenty degrees less. Much depended upon the ambient temerature of the washer, wash temperature of wash/rinse loads before and so forth.

For the record commercial laundromats in the United States do not have washers with heaters, but rely upon constantly circulating hot water and short cycles. The first does away with having to "purge" lines before a machine fills, so instant hot water is delivered. The next gives less time for water temperature to cool. Again, much will depend upon the boiler setting for making hot water.

Cold water for laundry purposes is usually defined as 85F, anything lower and most powdered detergents will not disperse, and or ingredients will not work. Liquid detergents probably can go a bit lower and not suffer affects in dispersion, some chemicals may not work properly, such as enzymes.

Cold Water Laundry:

In of itself isn't such a horrible thing. We've been through this again and again. Proper laundry technique revolves around four basic parameter; wash time, water temperature, chemicals, and mechanical action. If you alter any one, the others must be adjusted to compensate.

You can wash laundry in "cold" or "warm" water today because many detergents rely upon enzymes to break down soils and stains, rather than force, mechanical action and or high water temperatures. Indeed have soaked the most badly stained linens almost totally clean in warm or cold water. Yes, the things sat for several hours, but they were clean!

Bleaches, especially activated oxygen bleaches have been improved upon to give excellent results in water temperatures as low as "cold" (85F) with proper contact time. This innovation was behind Tide "Coldwater" powder, which though was not mentioned on the box, contained an activated oxygen bleaching system tweaked to work in cold water. Indeed P&G holds most if not all the patents in the United States for activated oxygen bleaching systems, and it is behind Tide with Bleach, Gain with Bleach and the rest of P&G's detergents that have the stuff.

Of course Americans by and large use chlorine bleach, and it works quite well in cold water. Higher temperatures merely speed up the reaction time. Regardless the work is done in about five minutes. Longer does not give better results, and can lead to textile damage. This is one reason many commercial laundries have a short "bleach" cycle after the wash, or use the first rinse.

Liquid Detergents - Cold Water Washing and "Mold"

Most if not all liquid detergents are in whole or part soap based and or contain surfactants almost similar to soap. Well soap, fat, and not enough not water leads to a gunky, cruddy mess. Just look at any drain drap of a kitchen sink, even when detergent washing up liquid is used and not pure soap.

While many liquid detergents do contain enzymes, they do not contain bleaches. Or rather they cannot contain bleaches and enzymes and the two aren't stable when mixed together. Liquid oxygen bleaches contain surfactants and OBA's but not enzymes.

Without some sort of oxygen or chlorine bleach to act as a sanitiser, doing the wash only in cold water can cause mold/gunk build up. Problem is many liquid laundry detergents will create high levels of froth if the wash temperature is above warm, and certianly at hot or boiling wash temps. Many washer help repair forums from the UK/EU recommend doing a boil wash with either a powdered detergent containing bleach or a washer cleaning cycle using soda crystals (washing soda), to break down the grease and shift biofilm.

Biofilm is what "germs" live off, and if it is not totally removed, the buggers will simply grow back.

It isn't any accident that both P&G and Henkel have introduced various bleaches and sanitisers as laundry additives. In Europe people are finding stains that used to shift with their powdered (bleach containing) detergents, are still there with most liquid or gel versions. In theory enzymes and high amounts of surfactants, along with polymers are supposed to reduce or remove the need for bleaches, but that isn't always true.
 
I tried it for 6 weeks

It was ok for awhile, then I noticed things were not as clean so it was back to hot water. Gas is really low in SoCal, so even better.
 
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