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And Tide works no better, except it costs upwards of $20-$30 a jug and makes the work sour after ~6-7 hours sitting in the machine. Xtra works a lot better than Tide. Nothing really works in cold water. Light to moderate I use Xtra, Arm&Hammer(maybe), Purex, Plus(green box),Roma. For heavy soil Plus (orange box), Foca, additives here and there. Soap scent is negligible when it comes to clean clothes. People do give me Tide and others, but usually I throw it out cause it just don't work. Xtra may be "cheap", but it works. A lot of people don't have money to burn on crap like Tide. Tell ya what, The next time you have some money to burn on some Tide, send some my way, I'll be sure to put it to good use(money or Tide). Otherwise Tide = FAIL
 
I meant powder Tide, sorry. I am highly allergic to liquid Tide and therefore hate it! powder Tide original scent HE cleans very well and you can use way less than what the instructions say and still get clean clothes. That offsets the price, but it can still cause sticker shock! When we had a top loader we almost always used Xtra, Sun, or Purex, and our clothes were clean. I agree that Xtra does fine on light to moderate soil, but is basically useless on grease, oil or heavy dirt. We are currently using Arm and hammer for heavily soiled loads and whites, and a cheap store brand for colors and lightly soiled loads. I think I will get a bottle of Xtra when these are gone and use it for everything as an experiment, because we have not used it regularly since we got a front loader because it is not HE, but it is relatively low sudsing so it should work out ok. You should try powder Tide if you havent though, because it is way better than liquid.
 
I'm also not a fan of liquid Tide. I cannot say how well it does or does not clean. But the last time I tried it, the scent was overpoweringly strong. Honestly, I wonder if liquid Tide cleans by having a scent so strong that that dirt will do anything to get away from it.

I have only had experience with the standard Tide powder. Scent is acceptable, but I don't really notice enough of cleaning difference to make the price worth it.

Next time I get detergent, maybe I'll try Xtra...although I'm personally not wild about liquids. Cheap, low power detergents are probably worth considering. No, won't clean the dirtiest laundry. But often for me--and many others, I'm sure--a certain percentage of laundry isn't very dirty. It's bigger need is simply freshening up.
 
Tide made a powder version?

Oh yes I remember, I've used it only once and that was ~12 years ago. At that point I wasn't washing anything that really needed to be cleaned. Plus brand can be expensive, but it is worth it. I will look for the powder version and when I see it on sale, I'll get a small box ->see what it does. But yes, the liquid stuff is just the pits. In general I think powders work better than the liquid versions of detergent, but that can be hard to test with flawless results. Now I do use both powder and liquid detergents->Liquid for when I used the WP/KN TL DD machines(makes dis-assembly of the machine easier), and mostly powder with the Primus commercial FL that I have now->this machine has no spider. When I use my Ariston W/D combo machine(rarely) I use liquid only->has spider. Mom and the family used both powder and liquid when they used the 99' Whirlpool TOL DD, since someone(who will remain nameless) thought the KN calypso that was destined to go to scrap looked cute, Liquid only can be used for that machine.
 
Tide was a powder long before it was liquid. But these days, it seems like liquids completely dominate the market.

I personally prefer powders. I haven't done any testing to see what cleans better, but I have the sense that powders work better--at least for me. If nothing else, the "old fashioned" powder seems like a better match for an "old fashioned" washer!

Another thought: so many liquids have scents that are either atrocious, too strong, or--all too often--both atrocious and strong. While some powders have scents I don't particularly like, to date I haven't found a powder that was totally unacceptable.
 
Powder all the way...

I never use liquid or gel detergents, simply because they don’t contain bleach. My parents use liquid detergents and as a result the rubber seal on their Hotpoint washer has the dreaded black mould!
 
using bleach

tells it all.

The regularity, the unquestioned normality which is bleached with, that tells it all.
Warm fill (I do doubt gas heaters could provide a real "hot" fill anyway) makes bleach a necessity, not to mention the "cold proven" fact that hot water on dirty clothes DOES have a tendency to bake in all protein-based dirts into the fabrics.

Had that GE Filter Flo for some while (2 years) on a cold line only. This didn't make even THAT much of a difference what comes to cleanliness. Agreement on the Aussie line: NO, you do not stink at all.

Now having come back to a mixed blend of front and top loaders with and without internal heaters, having cold and "hot" feed all the same I can say the following:

Cold wash IS good enough for a normal cleaning.
And yes, washing those clothes in warm or hot water WILL yield more browning to the water drained from the wash cycle but what the heck do you want to accomplish? Have neighbors come and watch the drain pipe?
But what the heck: Wash cold or lukewarm as you want, then pop in a hot wash every now and then (each time you feel like it).
Be sure to use a "heats up on its own" machine, be sure to have a horizontal axis machine in order to not spend too much money on heating up swimming pools full of water for some weary and arbitrary shaky to-and-fro swishing. It is the suddenness of movements comparing fabric to water suds which makes cleaning effective, not the optical drama of the machines interior mechanisms (my experience)

So more or less slowly pulling/pushing clothes through a shipload of water is NOT nearly effective as the sudden bang-and-squeeze-out of fabric hitting an low-level sump of water (read: drum type machines, ok, Calypso and Cabrio machines are excepted, they DO have this action and can do it as well).
Whether this is technically well realized is another thing, but for a proof of the theory I have practically found this:

(Like school grades)
Drum type cold wash: C
Drum type hot wash on hot fill: B
Drum type cold to hot wash: A
Agitator wash, cold only: F
Agitator wash warm or hot fill: D
Agitator wash cold fill and heat up: non existent.

Also, I have never ever found a substantial difference in cleaning but a substantial difference in energy costs. So I tend to wash everything as cool as I can, popping in one or the other hot wash here and there, whenever I feel like it. Does it perfectly, no complaints.

Hot or hottest wash everytime? Reminds me of an architect friend's saying: "Tract houses, where dust bunnies are just as rare as real orgasms" or to put it another way: Overly überprecise housewives' behavior, detergent company induced.
Sorry, not my way. Too harsh? Sorry again, I mean it. Sorry for being not THAT German.

Clean is good, overclean is neurotic. (My 2 ct).
 
"Warm Fill" or Even "Hot Fill" via petrol (gas or oil) water heaters is quite possible, at least on this side of the pond. However much will depend upon several factors including the setting of the boiler/water heater.

Boiler for our building delivers tap hot water at around 125F during warmer months, and it reaches the washer (first a Malber, then now Miele) which is located not a few feet away at nearly the same temp. After a long wash cycle in either, water drains at about ten or twenty degrees less. Much depended upon the ambient temerature of the washer, wash temperature of wash/rinse loads before and so forth.

For the record commercial laundromats in the United States do not have washers with heaters, but rely upon constantly circulating hot water and short cycles. The first does away with having to "purge" lines before a machine fills, so instant hot water is delivered. The next gives less time for water temperature to cool. Again, much will depend upon the boiler setting for making hot water.

Cold water for laundry purposes is usually defined as 85F, anything lower and most powdered detergents will not disperse, and or ingredients will not work. Liquid detergents probably can go a bit lower and not suffer affects in dispersion, some chemicals may not work properly, such as enzymes.

Cold Water Laundry:

In of itself isn't such a horrible thing. We've been through this again and again. Proper laundry technique revolves around four basic parameter; wash time, water temperature, chemicals, and mechanical action. If you alter any one, the others must be adjusted to compensate.

You can wash laundry in "cold" or "warm" water today because many detergents rely upon enzymes to break down soils and stains, rather than force, mechanical action and or high water temperatures. Indeed have soaked the most badly stained linens almost totally clean in warm or cold water. Yes, the things sat for several hours, but they were clean!

Bleaches, especially activated oxygen bleaches have been improved upon to give excellent results in water temperatures as low as "cold" (85F) with proper contact time. This innovation was behind Tide "Coldwater" powder, which though was not mentioned on the box, contained an activated oxygen bleaching system tweaked to work in cold water. Indeed P&G holds most if not all the patents in the United States for activated oxygen bleaching systems, and it is behind Tide with Bleach, Gain with Bleach and the rest of P&G's detergents that have the stuff.

Of course Americans by and large use chlorine bleach, and it works quite well in cold water. Higher temperatures merely speed up the reaction time. Regardless the work is done in about five minutes. Longer does not give better results, and can lead to textile damage. This is one reason many commercial laundries have a short "bleach" cycle after the wash, or use the first rinse.

Liquid Detergents - Cold Water Washing and "Mold"

Most if not all liquid detergents are in whole or part soap based and or contain surfactants almost similar to soap. Well soap, fat, and not enough not water leads to a gunky, cruddy mess. Just look at any drain drap of a kitchen sink, even when detergent washing up liquid is used and not pure soap.

While many liquid detergents do contain enzymes, they do not contain bleaches. Or rather they cannot contain bleaches and enzymes and the two aren't stable when mixed together. Liquid oxygen bleaches contain surfactants and OBA's but not enzymes.

Without some sort of oxygen or chlorine bleach to act as a sanitiser, doing the wash only in cold water can cause mold/gunk build up. Problem is many liquid laundry detergents will create high levels of froth if the wash temperature is above warm, and certianly at hot or boiling wash temps. Many washer help repair forums from the UK/EU recommend doing a boil wash with either a powdered detergent containing bleach or a washer cleaning cycle using soda crystals (washing soda), to break down the grease and shift biofilm.

Biofilm is what "germs" live off, and if it is not totally removed, the buggers will simply grow back.

It isn't any accident that both P&G and Henkel have introduced various bleaches and sanitisers as laundry additives. In Europe people are finding stains that used to shift with their powdered (bleach containing) detergents, are still there with most liquid or gel versions. In theory enzymes and high amounts of surfactants, along with polymers are supposed to reduce or remove the need for bleaches, but that isn't always true.
 
I tried it for 6 weeks

It was ok for awhile, then I noticed things were not as clean so it was back to hot water. Gas is really low in SoCal, so even better.
 
I use cold water on dark clothes with the adjustable temper valve set at 80F (as low as it goes). IMO, 80F seems a bit on the teetering edge of being a little too warm. I notices a bit of bleeding occurring in every cold wash before the spin occurs. 85F is too hot IMO, at least for a top loader anyway. Cold water washes should include liquid detergents only, IMO. Save the powder detergents for warm/hot washes.
 
well...

I was visiting again today, and did 2 loads of laundry properly! I separated the colors and did them in warm water,(actually almost hot because the cold fill valve screen is clogged), and did a load of whites/ light colors in scalding hot water, probably at least 160 degrees, maybe more! (there was steam coming out of the washer), and the water was gray/ brown/ mud colored! yuck! the coloreds smelled much better, and they were drying when I left, and the whites were still washing. I almost expected to get a phone call "WHY were you doing laundry in HOT water!" I would have answered, "thats how I do it at home!" now, I admit I do throw in a cold wash now and then, to save a little bit of energy, BUT, I normally use warm or hot.
 
well...

I was visiting again today, and did 2 loads of laundry properly! I separated the colors and did them in warm water,(actually almost hot because the cold fill valve screen is clogged), and did a load of whites/ light colors in scalding hot water, probably at least 160 degrees, maybe more! (there was steam coming out of the washer), and the water was gray/ brown/ mud colored! yuck! the coloreds smelled much better, and they were drying when I left, and the whites were still washing. I almost expected to get a phone call "WHY were you doing laundry in HOT water!" I would have answered, "thats how I do it at home!" now, I admit I do throw in a cold wash now and then, to save a little bit of energy, BUT, I normally use warm or hot.
 
body make up

I've come to the conclusion that the reason why some detergents do well for one person and poor for another has something to do with body chemestry. I think when dirt and body oils/funk are mixed together it has a bearing on how well a detergent cleans. For example, if I wash my partners clothes and towels with Tide or Purex, the clothing still smell of his skin after being washed and dried; but if I use wisk or gain there's no smell. I think that's why some folks have good results with certain products and others dont. I read of post the other day where someone was saying the Mexician deterget was their go to product. I bought some of it and about the only thing it did was make a lot of suds; my clothes and sheets did'nt seem clean; I tossed it in the trash. This on the other hand is just my preception, I could be totaly off base and just have a thing for wisk and gain.
 

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