Comparing detergent - testing

[spoodles]

Where does it say Persil isn't tested on animals? Lots of Unilever stuff is, despite what their website may say about funding alternative methods.

Not all P&G stuff is tested on animals either. The new Ariel Pods aren't - see point 3 in the picture below:

 

[MrX]

There's no oxygen bleach in Persil non-bio *liquid* or any UK/Ireland liquids that I am aware of.

The powder version would have quite likely completely shifted that stain.

It's a balance though, I find it's a lot better to use liquids or liquid pods on colour items (especially jeans) that you don't want to fade.

Powder detergents will totally fade your jeans.

 

[aegokocarat]

This is where it says unilever will not test on animals, since laws in different countries require animal testing they will carry it out. Simply non bio powder pods are approved by the Vegan association and Ecover have been awarded the BUAV approval, and also, P&G test various chemicals on animals which in my opinion is not needed since most detergents on the market have been around for years and were probably tested on animals when they originally introduced them to the market.

http://www.unilever.com/sustainable-living/Respondingtostakeholderconcerns/testing/index.aspx

 

[paulc]

Ariel 3in1 pods "The product is not tested on animals" means very little. The pods themselves have not been tested on animals but the ingredients could well have been. Anyway, am not getting into a big debate. Back to actual cleaning power!

Tom, I agree with your sister, Bold is not the detergent it once was. The cleaning ability seems to have diminished whilst the fragrance AND price have increased. My was using Asda non bio powder and recently swapped to Persil Non Bio, she phoned me to tell me how impressed she was! Mind you I've been on at her for years to stop using Asda's own, it was pretty awful

 

[aegokocarat]

Paul, I can honestly say I find persil to wash better and some cases I find it works out cheaper too, my sister started buying small boxes of non bio powder when she was pregnant for baby grows and so on, and she would buy bio powder for her and the bro-in-laws stuff. My other sister uses almat and she finds it washes well (as do myself and the mother).
Tom

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Do you not think own brand detergent cleans as well @ PaulC? I am currently using CO-OP BUAV approved liquid-tabs and the cleaning is good on there to be quite honest but then again most of clothes are not white.

I wrote to Persil and the care line advisor wrote back to me and told me that Persil contains tallow (rendered animal fat) also Sodium Stearate which is also derived from animal fat.

However Ariel, Bold, Daz or Fairy does not contain animal ingredients in their present formulations but I was told that when resources are short they may have to use animal derivatives! P&G aim to use plant based ingredients and artificial as opposed to animal so that is what I was told.

Perhaps that is the reason why washing machine manufacturers say liquids are bad for machines because they contain fats!

 

[paulc]

Never been a fan of stores own brand detergent, I know people who do use these detergents and get good results, I just can't bring myself to use them....I admit, I'm a detergent snob! I can always find brand name detergents on special at one supermarket or another making them not much more expensive than the store's own brands.

As for animal fats in detergent it doesn't bother me as I'm not vegetarian. Animal fat has been used in soaps for centuries. I'd rather it was put to a useful purpose than just discarded. I can understand that vegetarians would not want to use such products so thank you for finding that information out.

I know The Vegan society will only endorse non bio environmentally friendly detergents as they consider enzymes living organisms.

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Well I have been weighing about the pros and cons of Unilevers and P&G detergents and I still prefer Unilever because they do more for the environment and animal welfare. I still think Persil and Surf clean better than Ariel and not so over powering. I have had to stop using Ariel as it gives me headaches. If you want to know what's in the products you have to get the code off P&G whereas Unilever openly display their product ingredients.

How does one find persil non bio formulations for cleaning? Its been years since I used the powder.

Was persil originally non biological anyway? It has a nicer soapy smell than Fairy as well.

 

[paulc]

liberatordeluxe

The link below gives a history of Persil in the UK.

Persil Non Bio powder works very well, the non bio tablets have a higher "bleach" content than the powder. I find it very good on whites washed at 60 deg or above. Not suitable for colours though due to the "bleach" content. I use it as I prefer the smell to Persil Bio, that's the only reason really.

http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?42599

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Same here Paul I don't like the smell of bio persil powder got a strange smell.

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Do you also prefer the liquigel to the Persil 'Small and Mighty'? I like the diluted version better personally and I still think you can get away with less and still achieve good wash results.

 

[paulc]

liberatordeluxe

Have you changed your opinion on concentrated liquid then? I've not used the liquigel since Small and Mighty came out. Small and Mighty is better value in my opinion, especially if bought on special offer.

 

[liberatordeluxe]

Prefer the smell of the Persil Non Bio 'Small and Mighty' but no haven't changed my opinion on concentrated liquids. They are better value for money.

I quite like Surcare too.