Dead Refrigerator-Can it be restored?

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I have come across a beautiful mint condidtion poppy red Frigidaire refrigerator that I got for nothing because it doesn't cool after being moved. After doing a little research on refrigerator problems and how they work it appears the compressor didn't survive being moved. I guess the springs inside the compressor become brittle and hardened over time and jostling or laying on it's side can damage them. After having the refrigerator completely checked out by a repairman he says the compressor is frozen up and not repairable. What a shame that this would now be considered scrap metal.

I thought the most you would have to do in this case would be replace the compressor but every repair place I called said no. They said it would be $600 to $800 to do something like that and then there would be no guarantee that the sealed system wasn't contaminated and would have problems later.

This got me to wondering, what has everyone done to keep their vintage refrigerators going? I mean has everyone just been lucky or has anyone sunk big bucks into one just to get it working again? I'm looking for advice before I send this off to appliance heaven. thanks, Patrick
 
not only would the refridgeration tech have to replace the compressor,but the refrigerant as well-and to a non envionementally dangerous type.your old 'fridge probably used "freon' or some other type that would be dangerous to the enviornment.Otherwards to accomidate those changes-he would practically have to redesign the system in the fridge.That costs money.It could be saved-but the price ?
Before condeming the beast-was it shipped laying on its side-if so try setting it upright for a few days and try it.that would allow the refrigerant and its lubricants to resettle.It might be worth a try.
 
I would like to think....

If you really love the fridge, why not spend the $600? (if it really is that much) However, I would talk with people who do exactly that, restore/repair old refrigerators. Spend the day on the phone calling around if you have to. Not just the local repair guy, but guys into actually repairing old stuff.

My 1963 GE still cooks along and has been in use non stop for us since 1996. The guy that delivered it said he can pretty much fix anything that goes wrong with it. He's the same guy that when we had a thermostat problem with our O and M stove, he fixed it in like 10 mins.

These fellows are out there, just look for the best person in your town.
 
Just a thought....probably not practical...

...but if it does have to be converted to the new stuff in order to work -- is there a trade school around you that could do the work? I've heard of people doing this with car engines and the like -- I wonder if it's possible for an old fridge to be "upgraded" by a semester of trade school students? Just a thought.

Just tossing the idea out there...

John
 
I have worked with automotive AC systems frequently, and have brought the systems in many vintage cars back from the dead. Mobile AC systems can have all sorts of leaks in them that you will probably not encounter with a household refrigeration unit. The refrigerator however is probably using R12, just like mobile AC systems used. This refrigerant can be replaced with R134, since it runs at similar pressures. The problem with R134 is that it will not circulate the mineral oil that was used to lubricate compressors in R12 systems of the past. PAG or Ester oils will need to be used, and the entire refrigeration loop will need to be flushed of all leftover oil before the compressor and refrigerant changeout.

Installing a new compressor in the fridge will involve finding one that is about the same displacement. You can install a modern equivalent from a newer junked fridge if you know the displacement, and output volume of the old compressor... technical information you may have a hard time finding. Once you obtain the new compressor, you will need to cut the old one out. Now the EPA says you need to have the system evacuated to avoid releasing the R12 into the atmosphere, but who's going to know that the line wasn't damaged in transit and it caused the freon to leak out!!! Knowing how to sweat, or solder copper pipe is important in the repair of a refrigerator compressor. You will also need to install some line taps with shrader valves so the system's high side and low sides can be connected to a gauge set. These are easy to find at most HVAC supply shops.

Wire up the compressor. Then, solder in the new compressor lines, the receiver-dryer, and the shrader valve taps, and you're ready to go. The high and low side pressures, and the refrigerant capacity is usually stated somewhere on the fridge's spec plate. Vacuum the system out with a vacuum pump for 1 hour. Let it then sit with a vacuum to ensure you got a good seal. The vacuum should stay there. Then, connect to your can of refrigerant, and charge into the vacuum through the low-side port. Start the compressor up after the refrigerant stops flowing in. The compressor will suck the rest in. Watch the pressures and cut the valves off when the correct pressures are met.

Pick a refrigerant. There are many R12 replacement blends out there. A good idea is to get refrigerant that has an oil charge, or a pressurized can of oil charge. This makes it easy. The amount of refrigerant oil the unit needs should also be stated on the spec plate. R134 may be a little different in high side pressure than the old R12 stuff. Typically in the automotive world, the rule of thumb is you want to charge 2.2 to 2.5 time ambient temperature, for instance if it's 80 degrees, you want to be around 170 to 200 PSI. Don't know if this holds true with refrigerators though.

It's probably a good idea to install a receiver-dryer in the refrigerant loop too after a compressor changeover. This is a small can that costs between $30-50 that contains a dessicant and filters. When a refrigeration loop is opened up, even after vacuuming, there will still be moisture and contaminants in the system that the receiver-drier will remove. This will ensure long-term durability. They are avaliable at most HVAC and refrigeration supply shops.

One thing that you could do to is check into hydrocarbon refrigerants. These refrigerants are a blend of CO2, butane, and propane. HC12 is the equvalent to R12 freon, and will circulate the old mineral oil, so there's no need to flush the system completely. This stuff sounds dangerous to charge a refrigeration system with, but it really isn't for two big reasins. Part of the process of charging a refrigeration system is to evacuate all the system of air. Since there's no air in the system, there's nothing to burn. Also, since there's CO2 in there, it will keep any burning from occuring anyways. The second is the fact there is not any source of ignition within a refrigeration loop that could even cause the stuff to ignite. Hydrocarbon refrigerants have been made illegal in automobiles partly because the EPA has bowed to industry pressure (companies know how cheap and how well the stuff works, and the chemical companies that make CFC's could easily be put out of business!), and because of the off chance the condenser is punctured during a collision, it could result in the release of the flammable gas (R134 is flammable too BTW!) Many Asian built refrigerators however are using hydrocarbon refrigerants with good results. The refrigerants carry more heat, and have lower head pressures. The result is a cooler fridge that uses less electricity!!! I have posted a link here to enviro-safe refrigerants who sells hydrocarbon refrigerant for appliances and automotive uses.

 
Thanks for all the info...

I really wouldn't mind spending some money on replacing the compressor and having it recharged with whatever will make it work, but I myself don't have the time or know-how to accomplish this. I just was surprised that shop after shop that I called basically didn't want to touch it. I wonder if they are worried it would be a warranty/repeat visit nightmare after the work was done.

I'm still curious if any of you vintage refrigerator owners have encountered a bad compressor and what you have done. I have seen some pics of 50's and 60's refrigerators out there and would be amazed if they have never needed a repair, unless they've been in the same house forever and never been moved.
 
Amazing but many 50's fridges and earlier are still chugging away with no repairs in the basements and garages by the thousands. My moms pre 1956 GE is still going and it has been moved at least 6 times. Now residing at my sisters cabin.
 
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