'Dear Abby' Says She's for Gay Marriage

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SAN FRANCISCO - For years, rumblings have surfaced on the Internet, conjecture about her casual references to "sexual orientation" and "respect." Now, Dear Abby is ready to say it flatly: She supports same-sex marriage.

"I believe if two people want to commit to each other, God bless 'em," the syndicated advice columnist told The Associated Press. "That is the highest form of commitment, for heaven's sake."

What Jeanne Phillips, aka Abigail Van Buren, finds offensive and misguided are homophobic jokes, phrases like "That's so gay," and parents who reject or try to reform their children when they come out of the closet.

Her views are the reason she's being honored this week by Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, a national advocacy group that provides support for gay people and their families. The original Abby, Phillips' 89-year-old mother, Pauline, helped put PFLAG on the map in 1984 when she first referred a distraught parent to the organization.

Jeanne Phillips, who formally took over the column when her mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease five years ago, has continued plugging the group, as well as its affiliate for parents with children who identify as transgender, and a suicide hot line aimed at gay teenagers.

"I'm trying to tell kids if they are gay, it's OK to be gay. I've tried to tell families if they have a gay family member to accept them and love them as they always have," she said Friday.

PFLAG director Jody Huckaby said Abby is the perfect choice for the first "Straight for Equality" award, part of the group's new campaign to engage more heterosexuals as allies.

"She is such a mainstream voice," Huckaby said. "If Dear Abby is talking about it, it gives other people permission to talk about it."

Alert "Dear Abby" readers may have noticed that the youthful attitude Phillips promised to bring to the column includes a decidedly gay-friendly take on most matters.

In a March 2005 column that touched a nerve with some readers, for instance, Phillips came down unequivocally on the side of scientists who say sexual orientation is a matter of genetics, not personal choice. She advised a mother who had cautioned her 14-year-old daughter to keep her feelings for other girls secret to "come to terms with your own feelings about homosexuality."

Last year, addressing a groom whose gay brother refused to serve as best man or even attend the wedding because he did not have the right to marry, she made it clear her sympathies lay with the boycotting brother.

"Accepting the status quo is not always the best thing to do," she wrote. "Women were once considered chattel, and slavery was regarded as sanctioned in the Bible. However, western society grew to recognize that neither was just. Canada, Belgium, the Netherlands and Spain have recognized gay marriage, and one day, perhaps, our country will, too."

Phillips, who lives in Los Angeles, said she isn't worried that aligning herself with gay rights advocates will cause newspapers to censor or cancel the column, which appears in about 1,400 newspapers.

Her outspokenness on gay rights issues has never caused a strong backlash, said Kathie Kerr, a spokeswoman for Universal Press Syndicate, which distributes the column. It's possible some editors choose not to run the segments dealing with homosexuality, but if so they have not complained to the syndicate, Kerr said.

"We get brouhahas all the time, and they haven't been about Dear Abby," Kerr said.

Phillips realizes not everyone agrees with her on gay rights; she and her husband "argue about this continually," she said. He thinks civil unions and domestic partnerships "would be less threatening to people who feel marriage is just a religious rite." She thinks anything less than full marriage amounts to second-class citizenship.

"If gay Americans are not allowed to get married and have all the benefits that American citizens are entitled to by the Bill of Rights, they should get one hell of a tax break. That is my opinion," said Phillips, who speaks with the no-nonsense tone of someone who is used to settling debates.

Right now, Abby, as Phillips prefers to be called, is working on a reply to a woman who wanted to know whether she should include childhood photographs of her transgender brother-in-law in a family album. The woman is worried what she will tell her children when they see pictures of their uncle as a little girl.

Phillips' guidance to Worried Reader will be simple, she said: Include the photos, of course. Silence is the enemy. Answer any questions the kids have honestly _ Uncle John was born with a body of the wrong sex, so even when he was called Jane he was really John inside.

Phillips said that while it might be tempting to devote an entire column to why she thinks jokes invoking homosexual slurs are in poor taste, she does not plan to spell out her views on gay marriage in print any more directly than she has already.

"If they are my readers, they know how I feel on the subject," she said. "I don't think I'm a flaming radical. I'm for civility in life. I'm for treating each other with respect, trying to do the best you can."
 
Why is everyone so up in arms about Gay marriage? How does someone else's marriage affect yours?
"If you don't believe in same sex marriage,then don't marry someone of the same sex" MORAL DILEMA SOLVED ON A PERSONAL LEVEL for the unenlightened.

The 90 percent or so of America that is straight have nothing to worry about even though they fucked the institution up before gay marriage came along what with their nasty 56% divorce rate in our fine, godfearing, family oriented country.

We have essentially a group of people who have statitically failed at something as a group trying to keep out the newcomers that might bring up the ratings.

That's just rediculous. That's like George Bush re-electing himself for a third term with a lousy job approval rating, while declaring voting unconstitutional.
 
Reciprocal Beneficiery Relationship Bells are ringing!!!

On our recent vacation to Minnesota, I re-read the book "So You Want to Live In Hawai'i" by Tony Polancy. Her book had been a very helpful guide in making our move four years ago. By reading the latest edition, I found out about the Reciprocal Beneficiery Relationship available through the Hawai'i Department of Health. It is the Hawaiian version of a civil union.

It is hard to explain the level of tolerance here. On a personal level, no one cares whether or not you are gay. I have seen "Mahu" men come over from Molokai and walk through Sears in what most of you urban gay men would call "hag drag" and nobody even looks twice (and if you did their "paniolo" husbands would make short work of you!) However, when it comes to a vote on something like gay marriage, the local people are strongly influence by certain religious organizations-so we end up with this somewhat lame, but oh, well it's better than nothing.

So after we got back home to Maui, we went and had our little downloaded form signed and notarized at the Credit Union, and sent our 8 bucks (cashiers check or money order only!) I am now eagerly awaiting the SASE I enclosed containing a certifcate that I'm sure will be suitable for framing. So after 16 years of shacking up, we are now legal!

I wish they would give us full marriage rights, but will accept things as they are. After all, Dennis and I know we are married.

I was going to post something about this once I got the certificate, but since Heather opened this thread it seemed like a good time.

We are registered at Long's Drugs (Just kidding!!!)

 
Congrats to you & Dennis!!

I am happy that some places are beginning to give more rights and are being more open to same sex marriage. It just irritates me that people want to meddle in other people's lives, when in reality, it wouldn't impact them on a daily basis at all.
 
Move to Canada! It is legal for same sex couples to get married here and be entitled to all the same rights and benefits as a heterosexual marriage.

Gary

PS. My partner (male) and I were at a straight wedding and reception on Sat. The groom's sister was there with her female partner. They got up and danced at the first dance so my partner and I did also. In fact we danced together a few times. I didn't see anyone pass out from shock LOL
 
acceptance

The interesting thing about living between two cultures is that you get to see what works and what doesn't.

When I first moved to Germany, all my (German) relatives asked (more exactly, shouted): Warum!!!???? The US is so much more progressive, etc.

It took me all of 2 seconds to realise that they were refering to the Germany, Ireland, Scotland of their or their parent's youth.

I would exhaust Robert's server space if I listed even 1/10th of the things which are not good in Europe. But one European characteristic stands out here in the West (West beginning where Poland ends at the East.) We have learned that times change and that when an issue is settled, it is settled.
Many folks (myself included) are not crazy about abortion. But we accept that, 1) as men it is none of our business and, 2) all European countries which permit or tolerate it have lower levels of abused children and, indeed, abortion than the US...and yes, that is adjusting for population.
Same with gay marriage. The conservatives here fought it. But now that we have Partnerships (all the responsibilities, not quite all the rights), even here in Bavaria (the Texas of Germany)the conservatives have accepted it and moved on.
America is unable to do this. Whichever side of an issue temporarily has the upper hand forces its values on the other side...until the winds of change blow in and the other side takes revenge.
Right now, it is the hate filled christianists who are in power. Once they are gone, and moderate voices take control (calling Hillary progressive is a bit like saying your coffee is sweet cause you put 1/8 teaspoon sugar in a 64oz. cup...)things will become more just. But there will be no meeting of minds, no acceptance or tolerance...just sullen resentment and, as soon as the chance arises even worse acting out.
To my friends on the right...this is why the founders of the US made it so very hard to amend the constitution...and this is exactly why the religious right is perpetually trying to amend it...so no dialogue need ever be.
 
Equal protection and treatment under the law.

~Reciprocal Beneficiary Relationship.

Just a reminder ladies/laddies, that "allowing us " to partake of a domestic partner's benefits is a bone thrown at us to keep us quiet. Legally and to the letter of the law, the LACK same-gender marriages is blatantly against the larger principles of law. Sadly, religious and social influences color and cloud the average person's feelings on this issue. Let's first etablish through ALL regions of this country that this country is NOT a theocracy and that ones's religious views have ZERO bearing and place in government. (oh and that it is OK to elect a northerner as president!)

Let's all learn and really digest that we don't have any divine right to meddle in the world's affairs.

If we are so hell-bent on morality and law and order (which gay marriages will of course erode... HA!) let's learn to successfully prosecute crime and criminals and establish a better moral code and culture in general before trying to scape-goat anyone.

Gay marriage will one day happen. Why bother to spend tons of $ fighting it.
 
Yo, Steve, Yo

You are so right.
I kind of doubt that gay marriage will happen in the US anytime soon, tho'.
As Hitler taught us, hatred is a very useful tool for motivating people. And the christianists have learned very, very well from him.
One of the reasons I always vote, regardless of how trivial the matter may be is to prevent the extremes (regardless of 'left' or 'right') from taking control. The wingnuts always vote. It is the intellectuals who are too jaded to vote...or, worse, vote their 'principles' (Nader from the Greens for instance) and deliver all of us into the hands of the hatefilled christianists.
Not being an American, I am not going to comment on the North versus South aspect...but it would surely not hurt for folks who think the US can and should go it alone to see just how much the rest of the world depends on the sanity and democracy of the US.
 
Go Panthera!

"Whichever side of an issue temporarily has the upper hand forces its values on the other side...until the winds of change blow in and the other side takes revenge...To my friends on the right...this is why the founders of the US made it so very hard to amend the constitution...and this is exactly why the religious right is perpetually trying to amend it...so no dialogue need ever be."

Panthera:

You've hit the nail exactly on the head- this highly partisan situation is a lot of what's wrong with America today, and I can only hope that this nation grows up a little before it's too late.

What I find very interesting is that the Constitution has already been amended in a way that settles the issue of same-sex marriage. The "Privileges or Immunities Clause" found in Section One, Clause Two of the Fourteenth Amendment, enacted in July of 1868, reads:

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

That's it. No equivocation, no waffling, no ifs, ands or buts about it- this nation's Constitutional rights are supposed to apply equally to every one of its citizens, and states have no business whatsoever making laws that attempt to keep any segment of the population from exercising those rights.

Like much of our Constitutional law, everyday practise is often severely at odds with the simple, direct language of the law itself, but the Fourteenth Amendment is several light-years beyond clear- the rights of Americans apply equally to all, and individual states are not to screw with them.

If the righties among us want to eliminate marriage altogether, I'm cool with that. But if anyone has the right to marry, then everyone does. We've had a law guaranteeing it for 139 years. Perhaps state governors like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mitt Romney need to brush up on American law before attempting to put anyone's rights up for a popular vote at the state level.

Anyone wanting to read more about the sad history of our most abused Amendment can do so at the link:


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Ah, but who cares what the constitution says?

We have to remember that christianists neither beleive in nor care about the US constitution. They are nationalists, not patriots.
Anyway, here is a little cartoom from today's Slate. It think it sums things up pretty well.

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What pisses me off are straight people who need some assinine "Defense of Marriage Act" to "protect" the institution of marriage since same sex marriage naturally threatens the institution and sanctity of marriage.

Protect it from what? Good taste?

Like, how is my marrying another man in any way, shape or form threatening to someone else's marriage? Can someone please explain that one?
 
Panthera:

"We have to remember that christianists neither beleive in nor care about the US constitution. They are nationalists, not patriots."

Which reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw for sale recently:

"JESUS IS COMING- and boy, is He pissed!"
 
I said this in the Larry Craig thread

Phil, I am echoing what you said, why is it any concern to you straight people whether or not Bob and Dan get married? Does it affect you personally? Can you not sleep at night about it? Get with the times people, this isn't colonial times or the 50's.

I'll quote Wanda Sykes again, if they want to protect the sanctity of marriage make divorce illegal.

I'd still say Missouri should be in the Republican part. Even though we did get Claire McCaskill into the Senate, we still have that bozo Matt Blunt in office even after he cut Medicaid and denied Mizzou proceeds from the sale of MOHELA (Missouri Higher Education Loan Authority) because it was going to be used for "stem cell research," and Republican state senator Matt Bartle tried to make billboards advertising porn shops/strip joints illegal, but it got shot down.

 
Go...Dear Abby!!

Considering that 76% of most marriages end in divorce after 5 years, I find it laughable that so many heterosexuals are against same sex marriage. I mean really..... Can we screw it up more than they have?

Heather..you sound like a very smart woman. We need more people like you in this country. If you have children, they are very lucky to have a Mom like you!

Take care
 
Partscounterman~

Hello David..

I want to say congratulations to you and your partner. First, on your 16 years or partnership and second on your civil union.
I think that is great you did that! Good for you both!

My partner and I are waiting for NY to either make same sex marriage legal or civil unions. When they do, I am going back home to make it official. Here in Florida, we have a closet case for a Governor. I doubt it will ever happen here though
 
have to have someone to hate

I think partly it is because people find it so much easier to concentrate on the splitter in other folks eye than the log in their own. Not saying there is anything wrong with us homosexuals, there isn't. But in the eyes of christianists, there is.
So instead of doing the hard work of charity and forgiveness to which their 'lord' has called them, they go around being hateful, spiteful and nasty to us.
But it is also partly our fault. So many of us just play along as if we really beleived their bullshit. Worse, a million times worse, for a very long time queers of my generation castigated those of us who do believe in and do want marriage. Those folks are even worse than the hatefull christianists. How dare they tell me I can't marry the man I love...with what right? What do they lose? Bastards. Bitches. They are worse than the Uncle Toms of a past generation.
I so did not make friends in the gay rights movement for a long time because I refused to be queer the way I was supposed to be.
I draw the line at outing (unless it is a Republican christianist, in which case they deserve every horror their brethern can dig up out of the slime pit of their blackness - Haggard didn't get nearly the kicking around from his fellow 'Christians' as he deserved). I understand that it is sometimes not politic to be in your face aggressive - Matthew Shepard was murdered not too far from where some folks very dear to me live - but we have to defend ourselves. And the best way to do that is to stop attacking those of us who want 'traditional' marriages and to get out and VOTE! If every single gay man, lesbian woman and transgendered individual (most of whom are heterosexual by the way) would actually vote against the Republicans and christianists in 2008 they would be out of office.
 

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