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[toggleswitch]

Also, what is the best cleaning modern washing machine?

IMHO~

ANY TYPE located in the drop-off store where they do your laundry FOR you. Charge by weight.

Better than having a partner/significant-other doing it.
The laundry service doesn't complain, want to marry you, take your name or screw-up your credit rating.

 

[panthera]

Jon - I remember shorter times from England...

...and these shorter times matched the heating time we saw in Germany before 1989. I guess it is time to explain in detail.
Prior to German reunification, East Germany used aluminum wiring and their washing machines were designed to run on 6 or 10 amp circuits at 220V.
West Germany (where I lived) used either 3 phase á 16 amp/leg or single phase 220V 16amp heating.
In other words, virtually the same as the UK and Australia.
Domestic manufacturers had always offered lower wattage elements for special needs, so it was not a big problem to either convert 16 amps machines to 10 amp (some had two elements and could thus be throttled back). For the now united and burgeoning inter-German market, all machines sold in the country were knocked down to about 2000 to 2200 Watts (that would be about 2300W today with the step up to 230V).
This is why it is not possible to compare the heating times here to those elsewhere. My 1978 Miele 3-Phase was super fast; my current LG has (effectively) not even 1/4 the current for heating available to it.
Simple math: 240V X 16 Amp = 3840W. 230V (nominal, closer to 215 in München) 230V X 10 Amp = 2300W.
So - enjoy your English speaking machines, but yes - ours are slower to achieve the same temperatures. If anyone using 10amp heating at 230V has a different opinion, please do chime in - maybe all the washing machines I sold in the early 90's were absolut exceptions, all 2.000+ of them.

 

[Unimatic1140]

I think this post probably needs to be in the Deluxe Modern washer forum, so I'm gently moving it you guys.

 

[panthera]

sorry Sam, er Robert

You're right - it had moved way beyond the vintage stuff. Sorry - my fault entirely.
Keven

 

[lavamat_jon]

As a matter of fact, my AEG and Miele machines, which can heat quickly and can have quick cycle times, are rated 2150W and 2100-2400W respectively, which brings it in line with the figures you quoted. So I again state that there is hardly a difference, if any between the cycle times of a German and an English Miele, let's say. (And any slight difference would be more likely to be because of fluctuations in incoming water temperature from the cold fill tap).

In fact, the German/Austrian manuals for Miele's state the same running times as the UK cycle times. So I doubt machines in Germany heat any slower.

Jon

 

[panthera]

that is fine, Jon - but doesn't change the fact....

...that my LG here uses much more water and takes longer to heat than the nominally same model my cousin has in the 'States.
Why are we arguing this, anyway? Any comparison we make will still result in verifying that FLs which heat their own water take longer to wash than TLs which do not.
Heavens above!
I'd rather we enjoy our common hobby and interest than indulge in one of these discussions straight out of Hegel...
And to put an end to it, I now officially declare that whatever statement you make to this end (excepting contra-positives) is more correct than mine.
Keven

 

[lavamat_jon]

I do apologise if I came across a bit harsh, I didn't mean to cause any offence or hostility, was just trying to point out that there isn't a difference in the heating in washers, at least in terms of heater power, between Germany and the UK. Although I did feel like what I said was being brushed under the carpet, so that could explain my somewhat harsh post. After all one of the main points of this forum is to learn from each other

I agree about the LG - my auntie has a model that is a couple of years old, the WM1285FHD or something. That has 2 and a half hour standard cycles, and even with time saver pressed it's still about 2 hours for a complete cycle. She has said to me before that she could get more laundry done with a compact washer than she could in the time it takes for an LG cycle! Still, I'm sure it takes less water in than my Miele does for a Delicates cycle (which fills almost halfway up the door), and the Miele can do a 60*C delicates cycle - complete with a 15 minute suds cooling phase - in 1:09.

Take care, hoping that we haven't got off to a bad start!!

Jon

 

[panthera]

naa - we will be together in this forum longer than...

my LG needs to wash.
Jon, I spent years selling Miele and AEG and BOSCH/SIEMENS/CONSTRUCTA - everything from late 40's to 1992. Each and every model year had variations which were either not important enough to document or somehow just slipped through. Your Miele will outlive my LG by decades...
It has been kind of a difficult week for everybody I know, probably not improved my not exactly great tolerance for people who dare to disagree with my pronouncements.
Sorry I was igonoring your ideas - I was, but not to be nasty.
Kiss and make up?

 

[lavamat_jon]

Of course!!!!!!

*mwah*.

 

[hairybigman97]

spin off

My old hotpoint tl spins at 1050 circa 1993, the avarage spin speed of hotpoints spin drier speed is 3000. I had one but ruined many a carpet cos the damned out let pipe would come off the sink, cos the the pump was a new pump it was like a water cannon lol Yeah guys I am back Terry my partner is stable right now. Bear and cub ok here

 

[tumbler]

Top or front?

Top or front loader? Probably one of the more subjective questions one can ask! I grew up with both (I'm 54 y.o.); my mom only owned top loaders, including three (!) G.M. Frigidaire Jet-Actions. I also remember rented summer homes as a very young child with front-load Bendixes and Philco-Bendixes, including a Duo-Matic. I myself have owned only front loaders, beginning with a VERY used '60's Westinghouse (except for a brief stint with a Hoover twin-tub). I bought a White-"Westinghouse" machine in '90, with the microprocessor-controlled d.c. series motor, made in Italy. What a piece of junk-the enameled tub rusted in a couple of years. A Kenmore replaced it in '97; the tub bearing went recently, and I bought a Maytag (Samsung?) Neptune two weeks ago, with a matching dryer. Hopefully the quality will be good; the machine seems to do a great job.
I've always felt that front loaders do a better washing-and especially a better rinsing-job with less water, and in particular I feel that they're easier on the clothes. My mom's old Maytag top loader tears my stuff up something terrible, particularly if I use a low load setting. Having said that, I've never used one of the new "agitatorless" top loaders like the Calypso or the G.E. Profile. My ex-wife has a Profile and really likes it (she previously had a Kenmore like my old one ("Frigimore") and after a warranty motor replacement, the tub bearing wore out. Personally I don't think there's a right or wrong regarding top vs. front. Note that if you live in an area with lots of sand, like Cape Cod, a front loader will probably do a much better job.

 

[hairybruinuk]

Spin off

Hi Panthera, I do know for a fact that my old hotpoint twin tubs spin drier spun at 3000 revs. It had an amazing auto rinse cycle on it, I have ruined many a kitchen carpet when the spin cycle began. the damned hose kept blasting off the side of the sink and flooded the floor