liberatordeluxe
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Anybody use the Dettol antibacterial cleanser liquid? Any good or just another gimmick?
Dettol Anti bacterial Cleanser
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liberatordeluxe
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IMHO any Dettol, Lysol, Sagrotan or any other brand of antibacterial product is just another gimmick.
Most of those products are very likely to create superbugs (bacteria that don`t respond to common antibiotics anymore) and contain potential allergens like benzalkonium chloride.
Disinfection on a regular basis in private homes might do more harm than good. We need some exposure to germs to stay healthy!
If I really need to disinfect or deodorize something I only use chlorine bleach. Cheap, effective and won`t create super bugs.
Laundry can be boiled in european washers, or a long wash at 60°C with a bleach containing powder should reduce germs sufficiently as well when necessary.
There is admittedly one antibacterial product I really like. It`s basically just pure alcohol in a spray bottle. Great to kill mold on potted plants` soil.
Most of those products are very likely to create superbugs (bacteria that don`t respond to common antibiotics anymore) and contain potential allergens like benzalkonium chloride.
Disinfection on a regular basis in private homes might do more harm than good. We need some exposure to germs to stay healthy!
If I really need to disinfect or deodorize something I only use chlorine bleach. Cheap, effective and won`t create super bugs.
Laundry can be boiled in european washers, or a long wash at 60°C with a bleach containing powder should reduce germs sufficiently as well when necessary.
There is admittedly one antibacterial product I really like. It`s basically just pure alcohol in a spray bottle. Great to kill mold on potted plants` soil.
Also, I think the directions on this product say to add it to the fabric conditioner dispenser. So it's added to the final rinse and not rinsed away.
5 will get you 10 it is a quaternary ammonia compound, probably with perfume. It has to go in after all of the soil and detergent have been removed to be effective. It will leave clothes feeling soft. Lysol spray disinfectant uses quat. I think someone found a product at Home Depot that uses quat. Shop around. It is not expensive. Just be careful how diluted it is. The strong stuff will disinfect at 1 ounce to 4 gallons of water.
We've been through this before
Persil, Dettol, and other various "hygiene" rinse additives are meant for a particular niche; laundry that cannot or should not be laundered in very hot to boiling water and or exposed to bleaches including chlorine types.
http://www.persilstore.com/faqs
Commercial laundries long used such quat based rinses for things like diapers, towels, and other laundry either as final extra step to ensure germ free results, and or as part of a bacteria control program when low temperature wash programs were used often without bleaches.
You see the same thing with commercial dishwashing; most local health codes specify either a high temperature wash using chlorine bleach, or the use of a "disinfecting" additive to the final rinse if a low temperature/bleach free cycle is chosen.
Know many here love chlorine bleach but it is well documented the stuff is not always friendly to cotton or linen textiles and cannot be used at all on many other man made or natural fibers. There is also the fact when chlorine bleach is used extra rinse cycles and perhaps the addition of more chemicals (anti-chlorine) are required to remove/neutralize.
Back in the days when all undergarments were white or colorfast and made of linen or cotton thus could be boil-washed and or bleached to death things were different. Today many female and even now male under-ware are made in whole or part from man-made fibers. Thus use of chlorine or even oxygen bleaches is out and certainly boil washing.
With the trend on both sides of the pond towards less energy intensive or even cold water washing and use of non-bleach containing detergents, hygiene rinses do serve a purpose.
Quats have one drawback in that they are good for the final knocking down or remaining *germs* after cleaning, but less effective as a primary disinfectant. Hence surfaces or whatever are normally cleaned first, then follows the application of a quat based solution to seal the deal. This is one of the reasons you add these hygiene products to the final rinse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation
Persil, Dettol, and other various "hygiene" rinse additives are meant for a particular niche; laundry that cannot or should not be laundered in very hot to boiling water and or exposed to bleaches including chlorine types.
http://www.persilstore.com/faqs
Commercial laundries long used such quat based rinses for things like diapers, towels, and other laundry either as final extra step to ensure germ free results, and or as part of a bacteria control program when low temperature wash programs were used often without bleaches.
You see the same thing with commercial dishwashing; most local health codes specify either a high temperature wash using chlorine bleach, or the use of a "disinfecting" additive to the final rinse if a low temperature/bleach free cycle is chosen.
Know many here love chlorine bleach but it is well documented the stuff is not always friendly to cotton or linen textiles and cannot be used at all on many other man made or natural fibers. There is also the fact when chlorine bleach is used extra rinse cycles and perhaps the addition of more chemicals (anti-chlorine) are required to remove/neutralize.
Back in the days when all undergarments were white or colorfast and made of linen or cotton thus could be boil-washed and or bleached to death things were different. Today many female and even now male under-ware are made in whole or part from man-made fibers. Thus use of chlorine or even oxygen bleaches is out and certainly boil washing.
With the trend on both sides of the pond towards less energy intensive or even cold water washing and use of non-bleach containing detergents, hygiene rinses do serve a purpose.
Quats have one drawback in that they are good for the final knocking down or remaining *germs* after cleaning, but less effective as a primary disinfectant. Hence surfaces or whatever are normally cleaned first, then follows the application of a quat based solution to seal the deal. This is one of the reasons you add these hygiene products to the final rinse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_ammonium_cation
I assumed we were talking hard surface cleansers as well as hygiene rinse additives.
Now I realize the rinse product is called laundry cleanser in the UK.
I wouldn`t use chlorine bleach for laundry purposes, way too harsh, I was thinking about things like bathroom tiles.
And of course there are some conditions where it does make sense to use disinfectant rinses, it`s just not for me.
I tried it to control unpleasant odors in clothes but it didn`t work well and I finally found a much better way to rid odors just by increasing the detergent load and wash time dramatically. The heavy soil dose really works miracles!
Most of my undies even polyester/cotton blends tolerate boilwash temps very well but of course there are still plenty of clothes I couldn`t go over 40°. I just don`t like chemical (quat type) disinfection for laundry or anything else. It`s evil stuff and should only be used as a very last resort in my opinion.
BTW Persil "hygiene rinse" has been withdrawn from the market because of low demand long time ago.
Now I realize the rinse product is called laundry cleanser in the UK.
I wouldn`t use chlorine bleach for laundry purposes, way too harsh, I was thinking about things like bathroom tiles.
And of course there are some conditions where it does make sense to use disinfectant rinses, it`s just not for me.
I tried it to control unpleasant odors in clothes but it didn`t work well and I finally found a much better way to rid odors just by increasing the detergent load and wash time dramatically. The heavy soil dose really works miracles!
Most of my undies even polyester/cotton blends tolerate boilwash temps very well but of course there are still plenty of clothes I couldn`t go over 40°. I just don`t like chemical (quat type) disinfection for laundry or anything else. It`s evil stuff and should only be used as a very last resort in my opinion.
BTW Persil "hygiene rinse" has been withdrawn from the market because of low demand long time ago.
Persil has been withdrawn
Has it? I didn't even notice. That's great news! A silly product for people who don't know how to properly do laundry, imho.
Has it? I didn't even notice. That's great news! A silly product for people who don't know how to properly do laundry, imho.
davetranter
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'Antibacterial Products'
In these days of cold (or virtually cold) water washing, it can be assumed that the sanitising effect of hot water and adequate detergent will be absent. But whether this justifies yet another 'germ-busting' product is debatable.
Messrs. Dettol (part of the Reckitt empire) have recently been pressure advertising a lot of these products, the advertisements for which feature lots of babies and children, with the clear message that YOU need to keep YOUR environment sterile for your children's safety. The facts of the matter couldn't be further from this. If you keeep your young (under 2 yrs) children's environment too clean, they will never develop a proper immune system, and will therefore need 'germ busting' products for the rest of their lives!!
Talk about 'Catch 'em young'??!!?? The cynicism of these people knows no bounds.
Let your children play outside, and get dirty, and get scraped knees, and even eat things they pick up off the floor!! It's the healthiest upbringing they can possibly get!! According to messrs. Dettol, none of us should have survived our second birthday. ;-)
And laundry sanitisers?? Just wash with hot water.. ;-)
Ok... Rant over!!
All best
Dave T
In these days of cold (or virtually cold) water washing, it can be assumed that the sanitising effect of hot water and adequate detergent will be absent. But whether this justifies yet another 'germ-busting' product is debatable.
Messrs. Dettol (part of the Reckitt empire) have recently been pressure advertising a lot of these products, the advertisements for which feature lots of babies and children, with the clear message that YOU need to keep YOUR environment sterile for your children's safety. The facts of the matter couldn't be further from this. If you keeep your young (under 2 yrs) children's environment too clean, they will never develop a proper immune system, and will therefore need 'germ busting' products for the rest of their lives!!
Talk about 'Catch 'em young'??!!?? The cynicism of these people knows no bounds.
Let your children play outside, and get dirty, and get scraped knees, and even eat things they pick up off the floor!! It's the healthiest upbringing they can possibly get!! According to messrs. Dettol, none of us should have survived our second birthday. ;-)
And laundry sanitisers?? Just wash with hot water.. ;-)
Ok... Rant over!!
All best
Dave T
aquacycle
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I don't see the point of this stuff. Bio and non-bio washing powders contain oxy bleach anyway which is, in itself, an antibacterial agent. Hot washing at 60 degrees and above is also good for killing off nastiness. So why bother forking out for another product? Just use the correct detergent and temperature for what you're washing and it shouldn't be a problem.
Is there a chair I can speak with?
Again if anyone bothers to read the marketing/advertising material for Persil's hygienesupler and the rest you'd know they were *NOT* meant for routine laundry. Rather for things that couldn't or shouldn't be subjected to high wash or whatever temperatures and or bleaches.
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Persil Hygiene Spüler
Hygienisch reine Wäsche selbst bei niedrigen Waschtemperaturen
Immer mehr Wäschestücke können laut Etikett nur noch bei niedrigen Waschtemperaturen gewaschen werden. Bei diesen niedrigen Temperaturen können Waschmittel Bakterien und Erreger beseitigen, jedoch nicht so effektiv wie bei 60 °C.
Persil bietet Ihnen die Lösung: Zusätzlich zum Waschmittel dosiert, entfernt der Persil Hygiene Spüler Bakterien und Erreger schon bei niedrigen Temperaturen zuverlässig. Für ein rundum gutes Gefühl.
•Nur eine Kappe (90 ml) beseitigt schon ab 15 °C bis zu 99,99 % aller Bakterien und Erreger*.
•Schonend für Haut, Farben und Fasern.
•Für jedes Waschprogramm und alle Textilien geeignet.
http://www.persil.at/de/produkte/persil-hygiene-spueler.cky.html
Sagrotan Wäsche-Hygienespüler pretty much says the same thing:http://www.sagrotan.de/products/fuer-ihr-zuhause/sagrotan-waesche-hygienespueler/
These type products long had been sold in Europe for use with laundering female intimate apparel (knickers) when the wearer had a bout of yeast infection. Common solution in the past was to stick with cotton drawers that could be washed, boiled, bleached to death. For extra measure tossed in a hot dryer or ironed with a hot iron. But much female undergarments are either too dainty for such treatment and or made from man-made fibers thus cannot be subjected.
That Persil's rinse was discontinued am not surprised. Cold water washing is not universally loved and as stated most European detergents (at least powders) contain oxygen bleach and activators. Those two chemicals alone will sanitize even in cool or "cold" water.
The Persil product was also rather pricey for what one got. Have several bottles in my stash and the dosing cap is huge. Am not sure how many uses you get per bottle but it isn't much. Unlike say fabric softener you cannot decrease the dosage otherwise disinfection results would be compromised.
Lysol sold a sanitizer laundry product years ago. That product went into the was and was chlorine bleach (1,3,5-TRIAZINE-2,4,6(1H,3H,5H)-TRIONE, 1,3-DICHLORO-, SODIUMSALT, DIHYDRATE)based instead of quats.
In our grandmother's days they' reach for that brown bottle of Lysol (phenol) which stunk to high heaven but got the job done.
Again if anyone bothers to read the marketing/advertising material for Persil's hygienesupler and the rest you'd know they were *NOT* meant for routine laundry. Rather for things that couldn't or shouldn't be subjected to high wash or whatever temperatures and or bleaches.
"
Persil Hygiene Spüler
Hygienisch reine Wäsche selbst bei niedrigen Waschtemperaturen
Immer mehr Wäschestücke können laut Etikett nur noch bei niedrigen Waschtemperaturen gewaschen werden. Bei diesen niedrigen Temperaturen können Waschmittel Bakterien und Erreger beseitigen, jedoch nicht so effektiv wie bei 60 °C.
Persil bietet Ihnen die Lösung: Zusätzlich zum Waschmittel dosiert, entfernt der Persil Hygiene Spüler Bakterien und Erreger schon bei niedrigen Temperaturen zuverlässig. Für ein rundum gutes Gefühl.
•Nur eine Kappe (90 ml) beseitigt schon ab 15 °C bis zu 99,99 % aller Bakterien und Erreger*.
•Schonend für Haut, Farben und Fasern.
•Für jedes Waschprogramm und alle Textilien geeignet.
http://www.persil.at/de/produkte/persil-hygiene-spueler.cky.html
Sagrotan Wäsche-Hygienespüler pretty much says the same thing:http://www.sagrotan.de/products/fuer-ihr-zuhause/sagrotan-waesche-hygienespueler/
These type products long had been sold in Europe for use with laundering female intimate apparel (knickers) when the wearer had a bout of yeast infection. Common solution in the past was to stick with cotton drawers that could be washed, boiled, bleached to death. For extra measure tossed in a hot dryer or ironed with a hot iron. But much female undergarments are either too dainty for such treatment and or made from man-made fibers thus cannot be subjected.
That Persil's rinse was discontinued am not surprised. Cold water washing is not universally loved and as stated most European detergents (at least powders) contain oxygen bleach and activators. Those two chemicals alone will sanitize even in cool or "cold" water.
The Persil product was also rather pricey for what one got. Have several bottles in my stash and the dosing cap is huge. Am not sure how many uses you get per bottle but it isn't much. Unlike say fabric softener you cannot decrease the dosage otherwise disinfection results would be compromised.
Lysol sold a sanitizer laundry product years ago. That product went into the was and was chlorine bleach (1,3,5-TRIAZINE-2,4,6(1H,3H,5H)-TRIONE, 1,3-DICHLORO-, SODIUMSALT, DIHYDRATE)based instead of quats.
In our grandmother's days they' reach for that brown bottle of Lysol (phenol) which stunk to high heaven but got the job done.
