liberatordeluxe
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Has anyone used the new Dettol Laundry Sanitiser made by Reckitt and Benckiser? How do they find it and do you think its worth buying to sanitise underwear?
Dettol Laundry Sanitiser
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hoover1100
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Wouldn't waste your money
No laundry requires sanitising beyond a level that warm to hot water and detergent provides.
Plus bacteria can build up immunity to products such as these.
Let's not forget that expose to bacteria is vital to support a healthy immune system, so attempting to eradicate all bacteria is just going to increase your chances of becoming ill.
Matt
No laundry requires sanitising beyond a level that warm to hot water and detergent provides.
Plus bacteria can build up immunity to products such as these.
Let's not forget that expose to bacteria is vital to support a healthy immune system, so attempting to eradicate all bacteria is just going to increase your chances of becoming ill.
Matt
Useless
1) I agree with @hoover1100
2) You need almost an entire bottle of Dettol (instructions say 160 ml) to "sanitize" a (front-load) washing machine load, and you will have to manually add it in the rinse cycle
3) Smells horribly (ever worse, indeed) and the smell never goes away
4) Effectiveness is at least questionable: "kills 99% of the bacteria", yes: what 99%
1) I agree with @hoover1100
2) You need almost an entire bottle of Dettol (instructions say 160 ml) to "sanitize" a (front-load) washing machine load, and you will have to manually add it in the rinse cycle
3) Smells horribly (ever worse, indeed) and the smell never goes away
4) Effectiveness is at least questionable: "kills 99% of the bacteria", yes: what 99%
liberatordeluxe
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I thought as much it would be a waste of money.
However you should always use oxygen bleach for sanitising underwear. Even if I just used liquid at 60C that wouldn't be enough would it? You need bleach to sanitise don't you.
I suppose they have to keep bringing in new products to make money.
However you should always use oxygen bleach for sanitising underwear. Even if I just used liquid at 60C that wouldn't be enough would it? You need bleach to sanitise don't you.
I suppose they have to keep bringing in new products to make money.
hoover1100
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mine get either liquid or powder
at either 40c or 60c, I'm not fussed, as long as they look and smell clean, they're clean!
at either 40c or 60c, I'm not fussed, as long as they look and smell clean, they're clean!
Dettol, Persil,
Along with other laundry sanitizers have been around for ages, indeed commercial laundries have had access to "quat" based anti-bacterial laundry rinses for years.
One primary use was for female undergarments after a bout of yeast or other infections. With many such things now made wholly or in part of synthetic fibers the old fashioned "boil washes" aren't an option. Indeed for yeast such a process wouldn't do much good as spores can withstand boiling. You really need to use an autoclave in order to get at them.
You rarely saw such products in the United States (Lysol had one such offering years ago, it came in a white box), because Americans then to use LCB in vast amounts. Chlorine bleach will kill just about anything (including mold/yeast spores) on laundry, to that is that.
Commercial laundries would use these anti-bacterial rinses for towels, sheets and perhaps cloth diapers. First as a measure of hygiene especially if LCB and or very hot washes were not done, and also as means of keeping freshly laundered linen free of a whiff of stale or other odors that may come during storage.
Many powdered detergents contained various disinfecting/sanitizing chemicals historically. The old Surf formula actually had a patented antibacterial/deodorant chemical mix which was behind it's claim to deal with stinky laundry. By incorporating various chemicals such as phenol you can achieve a pretty decent rate of germ knock down in laundry. Alkaline pH levels, hot water and strong agitation all will deal with germs on laundry as well. In some cases all you are doing is sending the bugs down the drain alive, but still they are off the laundry and that is what matters. Machine drying at high temps and or ironing further renders laundry sanitized.
Problem today is many households are using liquid detergents that do not contain bleaching agents, and low wash temperatures. This can lead to a build-up of gunk not only inside the washing machine but *germs* on laundry.
Now one has said this before, there are few if any cases of anyone becoming ill from laundry. Even when such things have happened it was from handling soiled laundry especially contaminated by being in contact with an ill person (smallpox, that sort of thing). Long as one has a healthy immune system, intact skin and exercise proper precautions there isn't anything much to fear from "clean" laundry, even if it hasn't been boil washed to death with strong detergents.
However if there has been an outbreak of a stomach bug, yeast infections (jock itch, athlete's foot, etc...) then you *might* want to consider using a sanitizing laundry rinse.
Along with other laundry sanitizers have been around for ages, indeed commercial laundries have had access to "quat" based anti-bacterial laundry rinses for years.
One primary use was for female undergarments after a bout of yeast or other infections. With many such things now made wholly or in part of synthetic fibers the old fashioned "boil washes" aren't an option. Indeed for yeast such a process wouldn't do much good as spores can withstand boiling. You really need to use an autoclave in order to get at them.
You rarely saw such products in the United States (Lysol had one such offering years ago, it came in a white box), because Americans then to use LCB in vast amounts. Chlorine bleach will kill just about anything (including mold/yeast spores) on laundry, to that is that.
Commercial laundries would use these anti-bacterial rinses for towels, sheets and perhaps cloth diapers. First as a measure of hygiene especially if LCB and or very hot washes were not done, and also as means of keeping freshly laundered linen free of a whiff of stale or other odors that may come during storage.
Many powdered detergents contained various disinfecting/sanitizing chemicals historically. The old Surf formula actually had a patented antibacterial/deodorant chemical mix which was behind it's claim to deal with stinky laundry. By incorporating various chemicals such as phenol you can achieve a pretty decent rate of germ knock down in laundry. Alkaline pH levels, hot water and strong agitation all will deal with germs on laundry as well. In some cases all you are doing is sending the bugs down the drain alive, but still they are off the laundry and that is what matters. Machine drying at high temps and or ironing further renders laundry sanitized.
Problem today is many households are using liquid detergents that do not contain bleaching agents, and low wash temperatures. This can lead to a build-up of gunk not only inside the washing machine but *germs* on laundry.
Now one has said this before, there are few if any cases of anyone becoming ill from laundry. Even when such things have happened it was from handling soiled laundry especially contaminated by being in contact with an ill person (smallpox, that sort of thing). Long as one has a healthy immune system, intact skin and exercise proper precautions there isn't anything much to fear from "clean" laundry, even if it hasn't been boil washed to death with strong detergents.
However if there has been an outbreak of a stomach bug, yeast infections (jock itch, athlete's foot, etc...) then you *might* want to consider using a sanitizing laundry rinse.
mich
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Something to keep in mind..
Most OTHH, or "Cold" Water activated Bleachs, are quite germicidal. Esp if used in Hot Water.
Most OTHH, or "Cold" Water activated Bleachs, are quite germicidal. Esp if used in Hot Water.
I used Dettol when I had to wash in dorm washers - these were Speed Queen front loaders that would either wash cold or blast 140F water on clothes. Besides, one never knew what other students would throw in there and wash it on Cold. Eventually, I figured out that one could change the temp during the first fill. Started each color wash on cold and switched over to hot after a minute, while whites got this routine for the prewash and a hot-only fill for the main wash.
mich
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Why are Pre-Wash
Programmes always Cold Water? Is it because, you don't wanna set in protein stains? Or is it to save energy?
Just Curious.
Programmes always Cold Water? Is it because, you don't wanna set in protein stains? Or is it to save energy?
Just Curious.
mielerod69
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Deox detergent
Hi Laundress,
there is an Italian detergent which neutralises odours in laundry. They also make fabric softeners as well as other detergents for darks, woollens etc. I can get it here at an Italian supermarket. It smells nice and fresh.
Hi Laundress,
there is an Italian detergent which neutralises odours in laundry. They also make fabric softeners as well as other detergents for darks, woollens etc. I can get it here at an Italian supermarket. It smells nice and fresh.
"Why are Pre-Wash"
Hot water will cook protein into fibers and set certain stains. Thus for ages laundry has been pre-soaked and or pre-washed in cold to warm water before laundering.
Front loading washing machines that can heat tap cold water to whatever temperature began to move away from cold water pre-soaks/pre-wash as routine part of the "normal cycle" back in the 1990's or so IIRC. The introduction of better detergents that included enzymes such as protease meant all but the most filthy wash could simply use a normal cycle with only one wash. That wash started from tap cold or warm water allowed the enzymes to do their thing before ultra high temps of boil washing killed them off.
Hot water will cook protein into fibers and set certain stains. Thus for ages laundry has been pre-soaked and or pre-washed in cold to warm water before laundering.
Front loading washing machines that can heat tap cold water to whatever temperature began to move away from cold water pre-soaks/pre-wash as routine part of the "normal cycle" back in the 1990's or so IIRC. The introduction of better detergents that included enzymes such as protease meant all but the most filthy wash could simply use a normal cycle with only one wash. That wash started from tap cold or warm water allowed the enzymes to do their thing before ultra high temps of boil washing killed them off.
Cold Pre-Wash
Exactly for the reason Launderess stated above.
If I add a Pre-Wash to the Miele on ANY cycle from 40-60º, I get a Pre-Wash at "Warm" temperature. Not sure what happens when its set colder, though.
I've found it certainly helps and gives the enzymes some more time to work at the lower temperatures before things get too hot. That way, the detergent has done its best "down low," so to speak, and can whiten/brighten clothes better at the higher temperatures.
Exactly for the reason Launderess stated above.
If I add a Pre-Wash to the Miele on ANY cycle from 40-60º, I get a Pre-Wash at "Warm" temperature. Not sure what happens when its set colder, though.
I've found it certainly helps and gives the enzymes some more time to work at the lower temperatures before things get too hot. That way, the detergent has done its best "down low," so to speak, and can whiten/brighten clothes better at the higher temperatures.
liberatordeluxe
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I have also seen Vanish extra hygiene powders in the supermarkets so I am guessing that would do the same job as Dettol and at half the price? Contains peracetic acid which is known for germicidal properties.
Thanks Launderess for your helpful points. More curiosity than anything really.
Thanks Launderess for your helpful points. More curiosity than anything really.
The prewash on the Speed Queen was whatever temp one had chosen for the main wash.
peracetic acid
Is formed when bleach activator (TAED) is combined in water with sodium percarbonate or sodium perborate. Therefore not sure if the Vanish product contains straight PA or they are simply playing around with words.
Most all European powdered detergents and oxygen bleaches sold in EU are "activated", at least those from TOL offerings of P&G and Henkel. Both companies hold vast patent rights for their activated bleaching systems.
IIRC those *professional* detergents and or oxygen bleaches sold with a promise to disinfect or otherwise sanitize laundry contain higher amounts of oxygen bleach and activator. While such products are available for commercial laundries in the USA (Krussler has such), no domestic product makes such claims. P&G tried once with a version of Tide powder with hydrogen peroxide. Supposedly it claimed to kill "99.9% of bacteria....." but when the federal government told them to prove it, P&G backed off.
All products sold as disinfectants in the United States must have an EPA registry number. If it does not than it isn't. A similar system exists in the EU.
If you look carefully at many products sold in the USA that were historically disinfectants, many no longer are/lack an EPA registry number. Lysol is one (phenol was removed out of health risk concerns), though IIRC you can still find the disinfectant version. Chlorine bleaches are another. Clorox and others sell a bewildering array of LCB but if you look carefully few have an EPA registry number. Many versions of Clorox make no mention of disinfectant properties on the label at all. Pine oil cleaners are another.
In the latter two instances the amount of active chemical (chlorine or pine oil) is what determines if the product is or isn't a disinfectant. Pine oil actually is a decent enough disinfectant but the ratio of pure substance in a product must reach a certain level to get those properties.
So boys and girls when you go shopping bring those eye glasses or a magnifying glass. If you don't see a mention of EPA or other regulatory body and are wanting a disinfectant, move on.
Is formed when bleach activator (TAED) is combined in water with sodium percarbonate or sodium perborate. Therefore not sure if the Vanish product contains straight PA or they are simply playing around with words.
Most all European powdered detergents and oxygen bleaches sold in EU are "activated", at least those from TOL offerings of P&G and Henkel. Both companies hold vast patent rights for their activated bleaching systems.
IIRC those *professional* detergents and or oxygen bleaches sold with a promise to disinfect or otherwise sanitize laundry contain higher amounts of oxygen bleach and activator. While such products are available for commercial laundries in the USA (Krussler has such), no domestic product makes such claims. P&G tried once with a version of Tide powder with hydrogen peroxide. Supposedly it claimed to kill "99.9% of bacteria....." but when the federal government told them to prove it, P&G backed off.
All products sold as disinfectants in the United States must have an EPA registry number. If it does not than it isn't. A similar system exists in the EU.
If you look carefully at many products sold in the USA that were historically disinfectants, many no longer are/lack an EPA registry number. Lysol is one (phenol was removed out of health risk concerns), though IIRC you can still find the disinfectant version. Chlorine bleaches are another. Clorox and others sell a bewildering array of LCB but if you look carefully few have an EPA registry number. Many versions of Clorox make no mention of disinfectant properties on the label at all. Pine oil cleaners are another.
In the latter two instances the amount of active chemical (chlorine or pine oil) is what determines if the product is or isn't a disinfectant. Pine oil actually is a decent enough disinfectant but the ratio of pure substance in a product must reach a certain level to get those properties.
So boys and girls when you go shopping bring those eye glasses or a magnifying glass. If you don't see a mention of EPA or other regulatory body and are wanting a disinfectant, move on.
liberatordeluxe
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Thanks Launderess ill bear that in mind.
mark_wpduet
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I've actually used PINE SOL in laundry before if it was really dirty......
The entire room smelled like Pine Sol when laundry was done but once the laundry was dry, you couldn't smell a trace of the pine sol. It says on the bottle you can add a cup to laundry. Pine Sol does disinfect.....the only time I do this is if there is a load of colored clothes that may be really dirty and I can't use LCB on those. Not very often at all.
The entire room smelled like Pine Sol when laundry was done but once the laundry was dry, you couldn't smell a trace of the pine sol. It says on the bottle you can add a cup to laundry. Pine Sol does disinfect.....the only time I do this is if there is a load of colored clothes that may be really dirty and I can't use LCB on those. Not very often at all.
mich
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You know..
I'm not one to really like the scent, but, I do hear Vinegar, is a effective, and cheap sanitizer.
I'm not one to really like the scent, but, I do hear Vinegar, is a effective, and cheap sanitizer.
Product Ingredients (Europe)
Reckitt Benckiser - http://www.rbeuroinfo.com/
Henkel - http://henkelconsumerinfo.com/products/Ctrl?_h=henkel.products.ChangeLanguage&lang=en
Procter & Gamble - http://www.info-pg.com/
Unilever - http://www.unilever.com/pioti/en/p1.asp
Reckitt Benckiser - http://www.rbeuroinfo.com/
Henkel - http://henkelconsumerinfo.com/products/Ctrl?_h=henkel.products.ChangeLanguage&lang=en
Procter & Gamble - http://www.info-pg.com/
Unilever - http://www.unilever.com/pioti/en/p1.asp
