Dishwasher Brand/Model Recommendations?

[pierreandreply4]

in term of kitchen aid if you went vintage i recoomend

for vintage i would reccomend a KDS-57 the lucky part is if you find a portable you can convert it to built in and if you move 1 day to a place whee you need a portable dishwasher you can convert it back to portable and in a vintage dishwasher the inside is porcelain and if you went a more modern model i would recomment for a more modern version this model with a window that way you can see if the dishwasher finish its cycle and lots of members here can reccomend you a good vintage dishwasher that would give you years of use

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[whitetub]

The difference between Nylon and Vinyl racks.

The nylon racks are much harder to the touch. It feels like solid plastic. They are like impossible to damage with a knife if you tried to slice it.


The vinyl racks are softer. Like the dishracks that you use when washing dishes by hands, that you put next to a sink. If you take a knife, it slices through and exposes the metal rods inside the plastic. Then that metal will start rusting.

 

[appnut]

KitchenAid clean water wash system

I have the Kenmore Elite version of these.  I abuse it regularly with filthy dishes and all food debris is flushed away without a sign of residue.  KitchenAid models which begin with KDTM have this type of filtering system. 

 

[mrsalvo]

I have a 3 - 4 year old KitchenAid and it's okay, certainly not a bag-of-chips-and-all-that-too. Pros: it's very quiet. Cons: 1) Ridiculously long cycle times, heavy pots & pans cycle is 210 minutes long. 2) doesn't clean as well as older older models I've had esp if food is dried on, so I rinse everything off before loading 3) have to run clean cycle at least once a month or it starts smelling. Sometimes not all the detergent is dissolved at end of cycle, so loading has to be very careful.
I use the dishwasher for plates, cups, and silverware, most other things I hand wash and get done.

Eugene recently bought a Whirlpool and seemed very pleased, see his post.
I think buying new appliances is pretty much a crap shoot these days. Really do wish you well in getting something you will be pleased with.

 

[appnut]

My Kenmore Elite (KitchenAid) regularly is abused.  It has handled crusty meatloaf pan, broccoli/rice/cheese casserole dish that had burned edges (that was the dish that finally got myh partner to stop rinsing dishes.  I turbozoned said dish on high temp and Pots & Pan and it came out spotless.  I don't give a damn about the amount of time.  I don't have to stand at sink and scrub pots, pans, casserole dishes (nor soak them either). 

 

[DADoES]

 
I continue to fail to understand what's the problem with long dishwasher cycles.  Do a substantial number of people nowadays have just one plate, glass, fork, and knife such that they can't have another meal until the cycle is done?  It's an automatic machine doing the work on the user's behalf.  Enjoy the leisure time. 

 

[askolover]

I agree!  Load it, set it, start it,  WALK AWAY FROM IT and LET IT DO ITS JOB FOR YOU!  Same goes for long front load washer cycles. 

 

[mattl]

It's true, long cycles are really not a problem 99% of the time, it's just that we've been used to the 40-60 minute cycles since  the introduction of dishwashers.

 

I've had  GE dishwashers for decades and really like them.  The pump went out on my current Ge, ordered the parts - all of $19 -- but never got around to putting them in, I will at some point.  Got a heck of a deal on a KA and decided to try it.  It cleans VERY well, no issues.  But it can take hours, but it does have a 60 minute cycle I've used from time to time.  Surprise it uses MORE water to do the job in less time on the short cycle.

 

For me the jury is still out on the racking, having used GE products for many many years I am used to the racking and knew where every item I own would fit, plus the racks could go completely flat for the bins in my fridge and such.  The old GE rack will fit the KA, but the KA has ball bearing glides in the way that would have to be removed.   the 1-2% of the time I will miss the old GE 30 minute cycle is for my holiday prep.  I toss all my china and crystal in the DW to freshen it up prior to having guests over, could b problematic at 60 minutes.

 

Energy wise the KA sips power.  I have a SmartThings setup with a readout of actual current use and it really uses very little power.  Plus at 39db it almost silent running, I may hear a bit of water sloshing about but I have to listen hard to hear it.  One other quibble is I'm not a fan of the dark interior that stainless unints have, would love some lighting in it, miss my old GE with the white interior.

 

all in all to the OP I'd say go new, save energy and water and get used to the longer run times, I don't see much of a down side.  No need to search for NLA parts for an older unit.

 

[vacerator]

89 minutes

on antibacterial cycle with added heat my last load in my GE profile yesterday.
It has the minute read out. Thats with the temp delay on the final rinse.
I don't think thats long. It's quiet enough for me too. We do a load about every 3 days now since just the two of us. No point in keeping hot water at 150 plus f. either. I've been using gel cascade for the pre wash, and Finish tabs with the red ball since it was new. Great results, and no staining of the interior.
GE's warranty was 1 year, and 5 years on the electronic control board.
We had to order it from Home Depot and the retail msrp was $800 back in early 2011.
We were remodeling, so the only appliance that is not a Profile is the microwave/vent. We saved on the budget by getting the lower end GE microwave. It has the control panel across the bottom of the door. It works fine. It has sensor cooking, but no temp. probe like the profile. Big deal. It also only has one work light bulb, but I put LED under cabinet lighting on both sides of the range, so that is fine as well. The vent has 4 speeds and works well also. It was about $300 in stainless steel.
Usually in new properties, I see a Profile Microvent, and a lower end range, ovens, or refrigerator. I guess builders save where the buyers eyes don't focus below eye level when they walk in to tour the homes.
Beats me, mine has a big round GE logo on it. The Profile script is small on the other appliances. I'd rather have the performance in the appliances mostly used. To me, a microwave is a time saver, not a major cooking tool.

 

[panthera]

We entertain a lot

This part of Wyoming has no decent restaurants or cafes.

So - there's the prep work for dinner for 12.

Usually a several course dinner with appetizers and deserts.

Then the clean up before, during and after dinner.

I'm unrelenting, here - I just don't see why I should accept several hour long washes when I have seven loads to do!

It's absurd. Sure, when it's just the two of us and the animals it's no big hu-hu to let the dishwasher run overnight. But seven loads? So not happening.

I am willing to bet any queen here who is doing that level of cooking and entertaining on a regular basis wouldn't be willing to put up with it, either - there'd be a vintage KA or GE or two or three running straight on through.

 

[johnb300m]

jEEZ, if I was entertaining that much, and that frequently, I would consider getting two dishwashers then.
Or something more on the commercial end.
Seriously.

 

[panthera]

John,

We have nine dishwashers we rotate through regularly - beginning with a KA15, lower rack cleaning is out of this world, top half rack is, well - I can load the lower rack such that the top rack comes clean but nobody else has ever figured out how to do it.

Going on to several variations on the Potscrubber I and III (no use here for the Potscrubber II trash), ending with a Triton XL (the one which gummed up when the phosphates came out of the detergents and cleaned great, if you had four hours time).

A sprinkling of countertop commercial (washes at 75ºC) and two Maytag RR, one the portable without the rinse-aid.

 

One GSD 1200 or Twenty-Eight Hundred works just fine for such a large party when I'm in charge of the clean-up and none, absolutely <span style="text-decoration: underline; font-size: 24pt; color: #cc99ff;">NONE</span><span style="font-size: 24pt; color: #cc99ff;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> of the guests are permitted to 'help' out in the kitchen, especially with clean-up. I don't pre-rinse ever, if it's smaller than a VW Van, it goes into the dishwasher. First two or three loads are from the prep - pots and pans and bowls and beaters and food processor parts, cutting boards (yes, gasp wood, too) and everything but high-carbon steel cutlery.</span></span>

<span style="font-size: 24pt; color: #cc99ff;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Then come the quick rinses for the special serving plates or lead-crystal or whatever we (usually me) have forgotten to get out the day before. This could easily mean just a top rack (gasp! The horrors of it all - I'm destroying the environment single-handedly!!!)</span></span>

While my far more social mate entertains (and the late guests arrive), I've got the first round of appetizer/snacks/ Amuse Bouche running. I should add that, were I entertaining, it would all be Correlle and stainless-steel with Libby glass. Not the case - we'll be using 1920's china, silver, lead-crystal, cheap but cheerful 1950's Mexican pottery, etc. - in short, nothing which can be thrown in to be washed with other stuff together, some of which only getting hot rinses without detergent, etc.

Finally the main course table service, the coffee/desert/snackes, etc. and then, at the end, the pots and pans and serving bowls/platters which held the left-overs which went into ziplock bags (I put my foot down on my Pyrex when I realized it never came back). 

 

So, yeah - often two dishwashers running at the same time, one a commercial. But - I refuse to wake up to a dirty kitchen, I can't stand it when other people put things away and I can't find them and, worst of all, it drives me crazy when some helpful queen scrubs a vintage 1940's cast aluminium pressure cooker with a GREEN Scotch-Brite pad or puts the silver cutlery in with the stainless steel and pours chlorine-bleach over them.

 

We all have different ways of doing things, I find it challenging enough to cook around the genuine soy/gluten/'real' vegetarian/real diabetes problems, much less the 'food allergy of the week' hysteria of the fading, jaded queens. I refuse to be up until three in the morning cleaning and scrubbing when there's machines which can do it better than I.

 

Seriously, how do you ladies entertain twice or more a month, 12 people at a time or so? Serious question. And no, if you're not the one cleaning the dining room/kitchen, your opinion doesn't count.

[this post was last edited: 9/22/2017-08:56]

 

[iheartmaytag]

Worried about slow cycles?

Then just press the one hour wash button--Problems solved.

Though I rarely entertain, there are a few times a year that I have multiple loads to do such as holidays, birthdays, etc.

Though my Kitchenaid isn't as slow as all that. A normal load with High temp modifiers, and sani rinse is about 90 minutes. If you add the Pro-scrub, it adds about 20 minutes. I rarely use the heated dry. When baking, or doing prep, you can choose the 1 hr option. With the one hour wash the cycle is quicker because the machine just automatically fills to the max and starts spraying. It doesn't pause and sense, like it does on the sensor cycles.

One thing with the longer cycle times. With the new phosphate free detergents that are enzyme based, they do a better job with a longer wash time and lower temps. I have tried using my Cascade commercial (fryer boil) detergent in the 1 hr wash and I don't get great results because the temperatures don't reach a high enough range for the Chlorine based detergent to really kick in.

I am a wash as I go cook, my pots and pans don't go in the dish machine. So I keep a sink of hot water as I am cooking, I wash the pans as they are used. This reduces the piles, and saves cleanup time later.

As for the model, I have a Kitchenaid that was bought in 2013, as a left over 2012 model. It is the point voyger platform with a food disposer. Been very happy with it and the results. I have a service contract, and had an annual check up done once, they found the rinse aid dispenser was dispensing too much and replaced the dispenser free of charge. No other problems to report.

 

[johnb300m]

So you have nine dishwashers, but use 2 at a time.
Well that's good at least. 1 would be a huge bottle neck as you described.

My parents do most of the holiday entertaining, and even though they have a new THREE HOUR WASH GE, it does hold almost 1.5x the dishware the old Triton XL held. So even though it runs longer, it's washing more dishes at a time. And with the dual silverware baskets now, everything makes it in the first load.
1 load for dishware. 1 load for cookware after, and maybe some straggling glassware. Voila! Done.

Of course that's just 2x a year, about.

 

[henene4]

May I introduce: Bosch Benchmark® SHX89PW55N

2 short screenshots from the manual show: No cycle uses more then 6.5gal, no cycle takes longer then 155min.

An average cycle used for entertaining could be the Speed60, takeing (you guessed it) 60min, washing at 120F, rinsing at 160F, using less then 4gal.
Heavy takes about 2h on default, maxing out at 6.4gal. With ExtraScrub, time an usage drop even further.
Auto cycle with SpeedPerfect option finishes in 90min or less, never using more then 5.3gal.
And a single rinse is done in under 10min with just 1gal.

Tall tub design with 3 racks offers huge capacity. Deep 3rd rack makes it perfect for lids, spatulas, beeters, you name it.
Middle rack is 3 way adjustable, even allows for a slanted positions to maximize posibilities.

Oh yeah, and it's barely audible. You know, when entertaining, the house is loud enough.
Don't see the problem, panthera.

 

[brucelucenta]

I like my Kenmore Elite 4 year old dishwasher. I know it has to be the same as a Kitchenaid because I bought a Kitchenaid 4 arm sprayer for a new model on eBay and it fits it. It does a good cleaning job, but not my favorite for loading odd shaped items. My absolute favorite machine of all time was my Maytag made Jennaire TOL model that had the tower shower under the top rack. I could load up a ton of dishes and odd shaped things like an oversize electric frying pan in one load and all would come sparkling clean. It was not as quiet as the one I have now and the cycle was not quite as long either.

 

[panthera]

Henrik,

Of course you don't see the problem. I wouldn't expect that you would. Then again, I'm hoping against hope for at least Bartsch if not Waggenknecht (he's too cautious) for the next Kanzler/-in and you are no doubt hopeful dear old Angie will continue on with the same old, same old. This is the last election I'll be able to participate in and I would so like to have seen the last of that conservative, staid group.

And, actually, it isn't a problem - I enjoy entertaining, I hate dirty dishes, I use the appropriate technology to solve it.

Of course, all these 'One Hour' programs won't work without pre-scrubbing, but, it's a sweet thought. 

Show me the modern dishwasher (non-commercial) which can take the loads I dump in the Twenty-Eight Hundred during a major 12 person dinner and I'll think about it. Not seen anything anywhere near that, so far.

 

[henene4]

Not quite sure if we're on the same wavelength.

Most entertaining dishes are freshly soiled, not more then an hour old soil. A 1h-wash can deal with that.
Our Bosch can clean a 2 day old Lasagna dish.
And all the stuff you say needs prescrubbing just goes into the pot&#92pans load.

I verry much do suppose that your o-so-horrible loads of o-so-dirty o-so-many loads could be handled just as well, if not better, by 2 of these Bosches.

 

[imperial70]

My heart is with whirlpool

because of my whirlpool made kenmore lasting 22 years and going strong, but I am really partial to the features and options with the GE dishwashers in the past few years. It's pretty scary to have to make this decision. I wish you luck.

 

[panthera]

Henrik,

I know for a fact that my 1979 Miele or my aunt's 2013 Miele could do it - but, I'm not in Germany, I'm in the US and something you keep forgetting is that the Americas are stuck in the 19th century when it comes to electrical power.

Except for the counter-top commercial which does draw 240V, 20A (but has a limited capacity), everything runs on 125V. The Twenty-Eight Hundred draws just at eight amps in full service. Eight amps. That's it. Now, the current Bosch range available in the Americas, with our ancient, limited, 19th century service have three drawbacks compared to what even the least expensive Bosch has on offer in Germany:

1) Minimum cycle time for heavy loads is a whopping 135 minutes. You can't run input water warmer than 49ºC and you have 1/4 to 1/3 the heating capacity. Sure, yes, the Bosch can clean very well - friends here have one because I recommended it (North America Miele has awful customer service). Your conclusions are based on inappropriate data.

2) I don't pre-rinse or scrub. Anything except bones and olive pits goes into the dishwasher. No problem for the soft-foods disposer and outstanding self-cleaning filtration of the 1200 or Twenty-Eight Hundred. My experience with German dishwashers ended with the 2013 model year...are the new ones no longer equipped with those fine mesh filters and filter baskets which must be cleaned when several hundred cc of food soil is put in? Really? That's wonderful! When did they make the change? Oh, right, they didn't and, again, you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

Do you prepare, cook and clean up regularly after 12 person formal dinners? I havefriends in Austria, Italy and Hamburg who do. They all have servants and 3φ power for the café Miele dishwashers in their sculleries. Us common folks have to make do with reality.