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Hi Louis, always good when a new appliance makes its way into the home, looking forward to hearing all the reviews of the different programmes (do we ever use them all?) I`m sure you will see a reduction in running costs and water usage over time.

I have never used a cutlery tray as a daily driver, I have used Al`s and Jons and personally would lose the will to live having to load them individually, especially during the wash parties Lol...but I`m sure I would get used to it if using it daily..


Happy washing, Mike
 
Cutlery trays

Actually its a feature I quite like as you end up sorting the cutlery before the wash rather than after although it has prompted comments from the BF about me being obsessed about how it is supposed to be loaded, mind you I have always been that way with how dishwashers should be loaded anyway. I also like the way it (apparently) gives room for serving spoons etc although I will admit that if they are really dirty I will find room for them in the main wash chamber rather than on the tray.

I like the exterior styling of the Miele dishwasher Louis has got and will admit to being tempted before now to update mine, although it looks strange to my eyes seeing that gas hob on top - a common enough arrangement in Holland, unheard of here.

Al
 
@chris: There is a little spray arm over the cutlery tray.

@mike: I had my doubts about the cutlery tray, but this was the last model in the shop, so I had no choice. Friends who have one like it.
I guess I'm a one cycle man when it comes to dishwashers, unlike when it comes to washers. lol

@al: Yes, those gas hobs are very common here, initially meant for putting on a counter high fridge. So far I have seen these only in the Netherlands.
 
You won't be disappointed...

...with your Miele with cutlery tray Louis, great new toy by the way :)

I haven been using my Miele G646SC for 13 years now (faultlessly!) with said cutlery tray and would not have it any other way. If one packs all the items neatly together (it seems a faff/fiddle initially only ) then when unloading one easily scoops up ie the knives all in one go straight into the cutlery drawer. I was surprised to see that the newer models' cutlery tray does not lift out for it to be carried around the kitchen for filling/emptying which I find quite useful. I do remember reading something about a drying/air movement mechanism of sorts but will have to research it again.

Al - I am pleased to hear that I am not the only one having had comments made re: what I perceive to be correct loading of the tray and the dishwasher in general, I sometimes thinks it causes more arguments than handwashing ( gasp who said that!?) the items would lol. I would love the new G5620 sc with that auto opening door at the cycle end but cannot justify replacing my current machine as it still does such a good job! Now if only I had space for both...
 
Brendon

It is not only the loading of cutlery trays and dishwashers in general that we have in common, I also have a Miele G646SC just coming up to its 10th birthday and still working like a trooper :)

Here it is being modelled by the lovely Lavamat Jon a couple of years ago - a "You can be sure .... " moment :)

Al

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*Big Grin*

Great pic! Even down to the washer teapot in the window!

Yeah mine just goes and goes and is truly living up to it's 20 year life expectancy. Looking at yours in the pic made me realise how mine's plastic has yellowed - would that be reason enough to replace it?! LOL

B
 
Oven and How many appliances?

Louis

I have that same oven as a built in version, branded Neff and it is one of the best appliances I have ever owned - it gets far more use than my "regular" oven and I am frequently surprised by how much I can get into it.

I first encountered this oven as a wash-in at (Chester)Mike's (I think his was Siemens but it was the same) and was so impressed by its functionality that I got one for myself as soon as I could. I have never regretted it.

How many appliances? Hows about this?
In my last apartment I had a kitchen 2.75m x 1.8m (approx 9ft x 6ft) - there was one door in a corner and a window on the short wall at the other end of the kitchen. Arranged in a U shape I had:

Fridge & Freezer (separate units - stacked)
Neff 1057 Oven and a half at eye level, with a Sharp Microwave above (I am tall)
Four burner gas hob
One and a half Bowl sink with drainer
Indesit Dishwasher
Mondia (Merloni) washer drier.
The combination boiler (heat and instant water) was by near the door above the washer drier (there was a good gap between the two - the Mondia was also quite shallow)

There were 2 x 1m base units (at right angles - what is sometimes called a closed corner here), 1x 600 three drawer stack with two pull out drawers under the oven. 3 x 500mm and 2 x 600mm wall units. For its size it was incredibly efficient although it was really a "kitchen for one" and there was literally just enough room to lower the dishwasher door. However the floor covering had to be replaced twice during the 10 years or so I had that kitchen as it kept wearing out as there was constant traffic over such a small area!

Al
 
I like the cutlery basket on top. How much room is there? Could you load a plate face down or some small bowls or saucers? Would small juice glasses fit and come clean with the second spray arm?
 
My kitchen is somewhat bigger, but there is a table and four chairs in it. I don't have a washer/dryer there, but besides the freezer there is also a fridge/freezer in there. To the right of the freezer and the oven is a TV. And more to the right there is an Acme spindryer. And there are lots and lots of small appliances! Most of them in a huge cupboard.

I think the oven is great. But the microwave part is a bit lame with 800 Watts. I like the oven part, but I already had a repair on it because the bottom element was broken. And Bosch repairs are for sure not a bargain!

The cutlery rack is very close to the top. There is only space for cutlery and somwhat bigger items in the middle. A plate face down would be too high already.
 
Nice machine Louis !
Years ago I use to call the UK and get brochures lol and ran my phone bill up.
But it was worth it, one of the brands was AEG I cant say it in germen.
But they changed it to Automatic Engeneering Germany.
The diswasher you had ownwd was yours cold water feed and what is
there take on the feature ,,,
Care Clean Glaze protection system.
Is that part of the built in water softner..

Your AEG dishwasher I beleave was the Euro model
that Kitchenaid used one year and then they scrapt it.
its the same baskets and the low slopping top rack.

Then the next ones I saw was a boomering wash arm from AEG.

You will get used to the stacking of silverware its a good system.
People love to toss in a basket lol,
but there is no kissing and you can seperate silver from other types
of utensils.
And a much better clean.
Wish we could have free standing models here in the US.
Best of luck with your new Miele.
 
Pic 2.
Here is the model simular to yours.
I was fascinated with the BIO wash button was new to me.
Not for you guys over there but thought your machines was so advanced.
So from leaning from this sight I gather it is a lower water temp ..?
I beleave this one is 2002 ,,something,,Model.
Model number is,, OKO FAVORIT 808i
Your right Laundress ,,
I saw the the third rack or utesil racks first in ,,
1. LG
2. Kithenaid third split racks, I have no idea how it cleans up top with that little impeller lol.
3. Bosch
Darren k[this post was last edited: 1/24/2013-23:37]

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Thank you Darren!

All dishwashers here are cold water feed. I don't know anyone who has his dishwasher connected to hot water. My water heater is too far away and it takes too long to get up to temperature too to profit from the hot fill.

In Germany they say Aus Erfahrung Gut (Good from experience). But the people who don't like AEG say Auspacken, Einschalten, Garantiefall (unpack, turn on, warranty case). lol

I don't know what care clean is. The 1994 brochure doesn't mention something about it.

The special BIO was indeed a lower temperature wash cycle. The 8080 had four BIO cycles, Special, Normal, Spar (save, no prerinse) and Quick. It must be a bit older than 2002 I think.
 
We had an AEG, too. Made in Germany, at that time. The drying fan failed on our machine as well. Washing performance wasn't as good as on its successor, a Siemens, and I never liked this Pulse Wash System, which altered the pump's speed between 2000 and 2800 rpm. Rather annoying to listen to. But the upper rack was great! Thumbs up for tilting rack! :-)

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