Oh and as for the Whirlpool Powerclean, come on. I love that machine as much as anyone else here, but the world has moved on. Consumers expect quiet and they expect a tall tub. And the government (until the current administration at least) expects lower water usage. You can sing the praises of these machines all day in the Imperial forum but it's tiring to constantly see 40+ year old designs, even really good ones, talked about as the solution to all our appliance problems in 2025.