perc-o-prince
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I wear them, as does Rich.
In MA, it's a secondary law for everyone except school bus drivers.
Chuck
In MA, it's a secondary law for everyone except school bus drivers.
Chuck
Do you wear seat belts ?
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iheartmaytag
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Anyone else having a problem with this thread
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I am seeing the same thing. Guess we must have a lot of soap left in us.
Yes,
I am seeing the same thing. Guess we must have a lot of soap left in us.
Now it is working again 
Must be the gremlins.
Gary
Must be the gremlins.Gary
Every culture has its own
essential, defining element. For Bavarians, it's Biergaerten.
For Americans, it is resentment against government.
Nothing to be done about it - both are equally valid to the people who embrace any particular culture.
Personally, I prefer the Biergaerten, but that's just me.
Was talking to a friend the other day who works with donated organs. She said they regard motorcycle drivers as warehouses on wheels and added the sarcastic comment, she wouldn't want the brain from a non-seatbelt wearer killed in a car crash - defective organs aren't for transplanting.
Of course, she was an emergency room doctor for seven years in LA, so her viewpoint might be a bit biased.
essential, defining element. For Bavarians, it's Biergaerten.
For Americans, it is resentment against government.
Nothing to be done about it - both are equally valid to the people who embrace any particular culture.
Personally, I prefer the Biergaerten, but that's just me.
Was talking to a friend the other day who works with donated organs. She said they regard motorcycle drivers as warehouses on wheels and added the sarcastic comment, she wouldn't want the brain from a non-seatbelt wearer killed in a car crash - defective organs aren't for transplanting.
Of course, she was an emergency room doctor for seven years in LA, so her viewpoint might be a bit biased.
whose arguing?
I'm simply explaining my point of view. Folks don't have to agree, but as I respect others for being who they are, I expect the same respect (and, btw, I don't feel dissed or otherwise unrespected so please don't take that comment as a slam!)
When I speak of concealed weapons, etc. I am referring to folks who carry them for personal protection against the thugs mentioned above, not the thugs themselves. While I certainly believe that everyone deserves protection under the law, if an individual is guilty of inflicting violence on another (not in self defense!) then he or she deserves to be punished. Civil societies have non violent recourse to address grievances.
However, law is law - and it is applied indiscriminately in most cases.
If "most western societies" agree that some things are correct, it neither means they ARE correct, or that I, and others, agree with them. Not that long ago "most western societies" believed (through doctrine of law in many instances) that individuals with dark skin were inferior. That did not make it right then, as it is not right now.
Panthera - you get similar comments from cops and EMTs. The weirdest thing i have ever seen is a significant number of cops I know who do not wear helmets when on their motorcycles. What? I guess you don't have to be sane to be a law enforcement officer!
I'm simply explaining my point of view. Folks don't have to agree, but as I respect others for being who they are, I expect the same respect (and, btw, I don't feel dissed or otherwise unrespected so please don't take that comment as a slam!)
When I speak of concealed weapons, etc. I am referring to folks who carry them for personal protection against the thugs mentioned above, not the thugs themselves. While I certainly believe that everyone deserves protection under the law, if an individual is guilty of inflicting violence on another (not in self defense!) then he or she deserves to be punished. Civil societies have non violent recourse to address grievances.
However, law is law - and it is applied indiscriminately in most cases.
If "most western societies" agree that some things are correct, it neither means they ARE correct, or that I, and others, agree with them. Not that long ago "most western societies" believed (through doctrine of law in many instances) that individuals with dark skin were inferior. That did not make it right then, as it is not right now.
Panthera - you get similar comments from cops and EMTs. The weirdest thing i have ever seen is a significant number of cops I know who do not wear helmets when on their motorcycles. What? I guess you don't have to be sane to be a law enforcement officer!
I always wear a seatbelt and insist my passengers do. How does one negotiate a turn if they are driving and shift in the seat (i.e. without a seatbelt).
My distance and position relative to the pedals and steering wheel needs to remain constant if I am to control the vehicle, rather than have it control me.
My distance and position relative to the pedals and steering wheel needs to remain constant if I am to control the vehicle, rather than have it control me.
iheartmaytag
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A friend of mine is an ER nurse. She calls Motorcycle riders "organ donors".
I rode a street bike for about 25 years. I support helmet laws, because I happen to know people who have been seriously brain damaged from accidents before the helmet law in California went into effect. I believe that while helmet and seat belt laws are an encroachment by the government, they're a welcome law because they help to guide young people and new riders into a safer set of gear. Of course you can't fix stupid and some people will wear their helmets with flip flops, shorts, and a t-shirt, no gloves.
I don't like the ER talk of "donors", but on the other hand I understand a motorcycle rider is 20 times more likely to be seriously injured in an accident than a car driver or car passenger.
I finally stopped riding when I got taken out by a hit and run driver in the hills. I just couldn't accept the risk of serious injury or even death any more. I *might* ride the bike again someday, but for now it's parked and in need of reassembly.
I don't like the ER talk of "donors", but on the other hand I understand a motorcycle rider is 20 times more likely to be seriously injured in an accident than a car driver or car passenger.
I finally stopped riding when I got taken out by a hit and run driver in the hills. I just couldn't accept the risk of serious injury or even death any more. I *might* ride the bike again someday, but for now it's parked and in need of reassembly
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laundromat
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Seat belts---
-- are great and I usualy wear them loyaly but---
just like on certain jets, the belts can be too short and need extensions. Here in Hawaii, it's best to remove them when going to Waipeo (YPO) Valley because the road going there is narrow and extreamly steep. If your brakes fail,you better be ready to bail out imediately or you'll be sure to die.There are no guard rails and the max. speed is 5MPH.It takes almost 30 minutes to go down and 40 minutes to climb up.At my boss,Pete's,there are remains of different vehicles that tumbled down crashing into the lava rocks and wrapping around trees,bursting into flames.The latest one happened in 1986.It's a VW Thing.Every time we go theer,we make sure that,once we begin to descend,everybody takes off their seatbelt.Those who are new,we explain why so they're on the same page as we are.Once we arrive to the bottom, we usualy fined people (mostly tourists who were not warned) stuck in the mud and we have to pull them out using our 4 wheel drive F350.I was there last weekend and was welcomed by a 1.5 foot long Jackson camilean that accompanied me the entire weekend. He stayed in my tent and ate any flying or crawling insects that took the chance of entering. I'd take him out in the AM to go to the house and find beetles and put him under some wet leaves where he'd get his drink.That animal would not leave me and would curl up it's tail around my wrist or hand. He'd also hang from the front of my shirt.When I went to leave and got on the kyack,he jumped off my shoulder to go home.Never before have I ever had such an interesting time with such an ugly creature!That's just a tiny taste of the mystcal things that happen in YPO.No lights,no traffic,no 7-11,no stores. Just all of nature at your fingertips.The moon was full and all the stars were out.The tradewinds were forcefull going about 50MPH and making the undertoe real strong.The Portugease Man of Wars were washing up on the beach and looked like the blue used Action bleach packets!!They,however,smelled nothing like chlorine. LOL
-- are great and I usualy wear them loyaly but---
just like on certain jets, the belts can be too short and need extensions. Here in Hawaii, it's best to remove them when going to Waipeo (YPO) Valley because the road going there is narrow and extreamly steep. If your brakes fail,you better be ready to bail out imediately or you'll be sure to die.There are no guard rails and the max. speed is 5MPH.It takes almost 30 minutes to go down and 40 minutes to climb up.At my boss,Pete's,there are remains of different vehicles that tumbled down crashing into the lava rocks and wrapping around trees,bursting into flames.The latest one happened in 1986.It's a VW Thing.Every time we go theer,we make sure that,once we begin to descend,everybody takes off their seatbelt.Those who are new,we explain why so they're on the same page as we are.Once we arrive to the bottom, we usualy fined people (mostly tourists who were not warned) stuck in the mud and we have to pull them out using our 4 wheel drive F350.I was there last weekend and was welcomed by a 1.5 foot long Jackson camilean that accompanied me the entire weekend. He stayed in my tent and ate any flying or crawling insects that took the chance of entering. I'd take him out in the AM to go to the house and find beetles and put him under some wet leaves where he'd get his drink.That animal would not leave me and would curl up it's tail around my wrist or hand. He'd also hang from the front of my shirt.When I went to leave and got on the kyack,he jumped off my shoulder to go home.Never before have I ever had such an interesting time with such an ugly creature!That's just a tiny taste of the mystcal things that happen in YPO.No lights,no traffic,no 7-11,no stores. Just all of nature at your fingertips.The moon was full and all the stars were out.The tradewinds were forcefull going about 50MPH and making the undertoe real strong.The Portugease Man of Wars were washing up on the beach and looked like the blue used Action bleach packets!!They,however,smelled nothing like chlorine. LOL
