Do you wear seat belts ?
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Yes I do!
Every time I drive or ride. Also, all my passengers must buckle up. The consequences of not doing so are similar to those of smoking in my car. Very very severe indeed!
Dave
Every time I drive or ride. Also, all my passengers must buckle up. The consequences of not doing so are similar to those of smoking in my car. Very very severe indeed!
Dave
Yes!
Are there still some states where seat belts are not mandatory? Here in Canada they have been mandatory in every province for years.
Gary
Gary
Always; my brother never and it cost him and us his life.
Always did, even before it was the law in California.
Outrageous, ain't it, that there's a greater outrage over the simplest steps to save lives (wear your seat belt; maintain a safe following distance; don't speed, weave from lane-to-lane and tailgate) than over the 37,500 lives lost on America's roads every year.
What a country.
Outrageous, ain't it, that there's a greater outrage over the simplest steps to save lives (wear your seat belt; maintain a safe following distance; don't speed, weave from lane-to-lane and tailgate) than over the 37,500 lives lost on America's roads every year.
What a country.
lordkenmore
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I always have, even when a child.
"Are there still some states where seat belts are not mandatory?"
According to Wikipedia, the only state left with no law is New Hampshire. Every other state has laws, although they vary.
Link to Wikipedia article about US seatbelt laws by state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States
"Are there still some states where seat belts are not mandatory?"
According to Wikipedia, the only state left with no law is New Hampshire. Every other state has laws, although they vary.
Link to Wikipedia article about US seatbelt laws by state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation_in_the_United_States
This vid should be world wide, shown in every city, state, and nations!
I wear mine faithfully everyday even on short trips.
Thanks for the clip!!!
I wear mine faithfully everyday even on short trips.
Thanks for the clip!!!
iheartmaytag
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ALWAYS
Kansas has just made manditory seat belts a primary offense. The last 23 years it was a secondary only. Still always wore them they have saved me twice. The last time I credit the air-bags as well, but it took both of them to allow me to walk away for a head-on.
Kansas has just made manditory seat belts a primary offense. The last 23 years it was a secondary only. Still always wore them they have saved me twice. The last time I credit the air-bags as well, but it took both of them to allow me to walk away for a head-on.
maytagbear
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I do.
However, it irritates me greatly to see motorcyclists who are not wearing helmets. If I have to wear seat belts in a car, they should have to wear a helmet on a vastly more (potentially) dangerous vehicle.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
However, it irritates me greatly to see motorcyclists who are not wearing helmets. If I have to wear seat belts in a car, they should have to wear a helmet on a vastly more (potentially) dangerous vehicle.
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Primary offenses are wrong.
I support wearing seat belts.
I have issues with seat belt laws.
It makes so much sense to wear seatbelts why would you not?
But particularly as a primary offense - that's quite wrong.
Hunter
I support wearing seat belts.
I have issues with seat belt laws.
It makes so much sense to wear seatbelts why would you not?
But particularly as a primary offense - that's quite wrong.
Hunter
What are the definitions of a primary offense and secondary offense?
Motorcycle helmets are mandatory here.
Gary
Motorcycle helmets are mandatory here.
Gary
dirtybuck
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The Other Side of the Coin..
Here's one of the famous "scare tactics" commercials from the early '70's where Jack Webb does the voice over. Notice that they're referred to as "safety belts" instead of seat belts.
And no, I don't wear one, although I've really got to get back into the habit of doing so.
Here's one of the famous "scare tactics" commercials from the early '70's where Jack Webb does the voice over. Notice that they're referred to as "safety belts" instead of seat belts.
And no, I don't wear one, although I've really got to get back into the habit of doing so.
Primary offense means one can be pulled over and ticketed for that offense alone. If not wearing a belt is only a secondary offense then you can't be pulled over for just that, but it can be cited if an officer pulls you over for another offense such a speeding or expired license plates, etc.
mrb627
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Motorcycles
I saw a guy on a motorcycle on my way home last night. No helmet, no shirt, no shoes. No reason to live, apparently, too.
Malcolm
I saw a guy on a motorcycle on my way home last night. No helmet, no shirt, no shoes. No reason to live, apparently, too.
Malcolm
iheartmaytag
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But particularly as a primary offense - that's quite wro
I think Kansas adopted it as Primary more for "revenue enhancement" than safety. Also, it gives them (the heat) another reason for pulling over the gang-bangers then they will look for probable cause to search them. (it's very hard to do a drive by while buckled in, I understand.)
I think Kansas adopted it as Primary more for "revenue enhancement" than safety. Also, it gives them (the heat) another reason for pulling over the gang-bangers then they will look for probable cause to search them. (it's very hard to do a drive by while buckled in, I understand.)
I began using them once I had a car with functional 3-point lap-and-shoulder belts. (1972 VW 411) I have used them ever since.
Since 1962
I was in a bad accident in Oklahoma in a Continental Trailways bus with a bunch of other kids when I was in ninth grade. I'd been wearing seat belts and would have on the bus, too, but it didn't have any.
I came out ok, but some of the others, not so much. No fatalities, thank goodness. It was a graphic example of how seat belts would have helped.
I was in a bad accident in Oklahoma in a Continental Trailways bus with a bunch of other kids when I was in ninth grade. I'd been wearing seat belts and would have on the bus, too, but it didn't have any.
I came out ok, but some of the others, not so much. No fatalities, thank goodness. It was a graphic example of how seat belts would have helped.
ptcruiser51
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Absolutely!
I tried and tried to get my parents to wear them. No dice. "We never drive very far". My OM also couldn't see past the hood ornament. Finally he had a low-speed head-on 1 mile from the house; the airbags saved him, though he was pretty banged-up. Fortunately my OL wasn't in the car and the other driver wasn't hurt. Problem solved: Car demolished, state yanked his license.
Still, when he's in MY car, the OM unhooks himself at the first opportunity: 2 blocks from the house or destination.
Stubbornness never dies.
I tried and tried to get my parents to wear them. No dice. "We never drive very far". My OM also couldn't see past the hood ornament. Finally he had a low-speed head-on 1 mile from the house; the airbags saved him, though he was pretty banged-up. Fortunately my OL wasn't in the car and the other driver wasn't hurt. Problem solved: Car demolished, state yanked his license.
Still, when he's in MY car, the OM unhooks himself at the first opportunity: 2 blocks from the house or destination.
Stubbornness never dies.
hooverwheelaway
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Definitely!
I remember being in junior high/freshman in high school... it was kind of liberating to rebel and not wear them when driving around with friends (stupid, I know) -- even though my parents sternly enforced them in their cars. But at one point -- perhaps driver's education -- I just felt it necessary to always wear one. Now it's to the point where I feel naked without one when in a car... and I enforce wearing seat belts when transporting others in my car.
Not wearing a seat belt is stupid.
I remember being in junior high/freshman in high school... it was kind of liberating to rebel and not wear them when driving around with friends (stupid, I know) -- even though my parents sternly enforced them in their cars. But at one point -- perhaps driver's education -- I just felt it necessary to always wear one. Now it's to the point where I feel naked without one when in a car... and I enforce wearing seat belts when transporting others in my car.
Not wearing a seat belt is stupid.
whirlcool
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Since I am a pilot, I have always worn seat belts since 1969 or so. I only had one accident (rear ended from behind) and it probably saved me. Besides, I feel naked if I don't have one on.
One of the problems we do have is that just before take off, the flight attendants walk down the aisle to see if everyone has their seat belt fastened and their tray tables up. You wouldn't believe how many people unfasten their seatbelts after that. The F/A's hear all kind of excuses:
I don't want my dress wrinkled
It makes me feel claustrophobic (uncomfortable, queasy, etc)
Oh, I don't have time for that nonsense
Or the best one......
"If we crash, I'll just put my hands out and hold on".
One of the problems we do have is that just before take off, the flight attendants walk down the aisle to see if everyone has their seat belt fastened and their tray tables up. You wouldn't believe how many people unfasten their seatbelts after that. The F/A's hear all kind of excuses:
I don't want my dress wrinkled
It makes me feel claustrophobic (uncomfortable, queasy, etc)
Oh, I don't have time for that nonsense
Or the best one......
"If we crash, I'll just put my hands out and hold on".
Always!
Wearing your seatbelt's compulsory here in Ireland.
Driver along with front and rear seat passengers are legally required to wear one and the driver is responsible for all of his/her passengers. If any of them are not wearing seat belts, the driver gets fined.
It's a 60 Euro (US$76) fixed penalty (you can pay within 28 days online or at the post office).
If you don't pay for up to 56 days, it becomes 90 Euro (US$114).
You also get 2 penalty points* on your driving license.
Alternatively, you can refuse to pay the fixed penalty and opt to go to court. If you are convicted in court, you can get up to 4 penalty points and the fine can be up to 400 Euro (US$508)
You're also required to provide appropriate child seats / restraints and booster cushions and have them fitted in accordance with regulatory requirements for any small children traveling in the car.
Similar regulations apply to taxis, with the only difference being that the passenger can be fined for not wearing their seat belt. However, the taxi driver's responsible for anyone under 18 and he/she will be fined in that case.
Taxis aren't required to provide baby seats.
School busses and most long-distance busses are now fitted with seat belts and where they are fitted you're required to use them. The traffic police occasionally do spot checks and you can be fined for not wearing them. The bus driver's also required by law to announce that passengers must wear the belts.
*The penalty points system applies to 69 driving and license offenses and if you accumulate 12 points your license is cancelled for 6 months and you have to re-qualify after that.
It uses the slogan "Get the point, not the points!"
The fixed charge + points are used for minor offenses. If you're charged with serious offenses like drink driving, dangerous driving (including speeding really excessively), breech of duties at scene of an accident, driving without insurance etc etc you would be arrested, charged and you'd have to appear in court as normal.
Wearing your seatbelt's compulsory here in Ireland.
Driver along with front and rear seat passengers are legally required to wear one and the driver is responsible for all of his/her passengers. If any of them are not wearing seat belts, the driver gets fined.
It's a 60 Euro (US$76) fixed penalty (you can pay within 28 days online or at the post office).
If you don't pay for up to 56 days, it becomes 90 Euro (US$114).
You also get 2 penalty points* on your driving license.
Alternatively, you can refuse to pay the fixed penalty and opt to go to court. If you are convicted in court, you can get up to 4 penalty points and the fine can be up to 400 Euro (US$508)
You're also required to provide appropriate child seats / restraints and booster cushions and have them fitted in accordance with regulatory requirements for any small children traveling in the car.
Similar regulations apply to taxis, with the only difference being that the passenger can be fined for not wearing their seat belt. However, the taxi driver's responsible for anyone under 18 and he/she will be fined in that case.
Taxis aren't required to provide baby seats.
School busses and most long-distance busses are now fitted with seat belts and where they are fitted you're required to use them. The traffic police occasionally do spot checks and you can be fined for not wearing them. The bus driver's also required by law to announce that passengers must wear the belts.
*The penalty points system applies to 69 driving and license offenses and if you accumulate 12 points your license is cancelled for 6 months and you have to re-qualify after that.
It uses the slogan "Get the point, not the points!"
The fixed charge + points are used for minor offenses. If you're charged with serious offenses like drink driving, dangerous driving (including speeding really excessively), breech of duties at scene of an accident, driving without insurance etc etc you would be arrested, charged and you'd have to appear in court as normal.
Volvo seat belts.
Volvo introduced the 1st 3-Point seat belts in 1959 on the PV544 and 122 cars (front seats only). The rear seats didn't get 3 point seat belts until 1972 on the 144, 142, 145, and 164 models. I think Ford was the first to market a seat belt, it was an optional piece of equipment and consisted of a lap belt in the front seat. I have no idea if they had them in the back. I believe Ford introduced them in 1956, to a very poor reception.
People are amazed that my Volvo 240 from 1987 has 3 point seat belts in the back seat (the middle seat still has only a lap belt though). Most manufacturers still used lap belts in 1987 in the back seats.
Wear 'em!
Dave
Volvo introduced the 1st 3-Point seat belts in 1959 on the PV544 and 122 cars (front seats only). The rear seats didn't get 3 point seat belts until 1972 on the 144, 142, 145, and 164 models. I think Ford was the first to market a seat belt, it was an optional piece of equipment and consisted of a lap belt in the front seat. I have no idea if they had them in the back. I believe Ford introduced them in 1956, to a very poor reception.
People are amazed that my Volvo 240 from 1987 has 3 point seat belts in the back seat (the middle seat still has only a lap belt though). Most manufacturers still used lap belts in 1987 in the back seats.
Wear 'em!
Dave
yogitunes
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ALWAYS have since I got my license....I liked my Eagle Talon Turbo with the AUTOMATIC belts that slid up and over your shoulder when you closed the door, all cars should have this
We now have a law not just for the driver but also the passengers themselves can get a fine for not wearing them, I'm game for children in car seats, but they miss the fun we had as children riding in the far back of a stationwagon, but in the event of a rear collision, child safety is a big concern.
We now have a law not just for the driver but also the passengers themselves can get a fine for not wearing them, I'm game for children in car seats, but they miss the fun we had as children riding in the far back of a stationwagon, but in the event of a rear collision, child safety is a big concern.
Not wearing a seat belt is a primary offense then here in Canada. The police even have seat belt road checks just like drinking & driving road checks. They like to position themselves at the on ramps to the highways and if you aren't wearing your seat belt you are pulled over.
Gary
Gary
Primary vs. Secondary
A primary offense means that an officer may stop you for that and that alone.
A secondary offense means that if you are stopped for other reasons, you may also be cited for not wearing a seat belt.
Not to throw petrol on a blaze, but the whole flack and furor about Arizona's immigration law is rather odd; it says that if you stop someone for a DIFFERENT offense you MAY inquire as to their citizenry status.
In general, things like seatbelt laws are wrong as primary offenses because it is pretty darn hard to see if someone has his seat belt on while driving down the street. This therefore empowers law enforcement with the excuse that "I noted the driver was not wearing a seat belt so I engaged my blue lights, pursued, and pulled the car over."
I'm one of the few libertarian cops I know -- and I'm no longer active. And I couldn't bear the idea of a primary stop for seatbelts as you cannot tell easily!
But it is a great excuse that can open the door to other abuses.
A primary offense means that an officer may stop you for that and that alone.
A secondary offense means that if you are stopped for other reasons, you may also be cited for not wearing a seat belt.
Not to throw petrol on a blaze, but the whole flack and furor about Arizona's immigration law is rather odd; it says that if you stop someone for a DIFFERENT offense you MAY inquire as to their citizenry status.
In general, things like seatbelt laws are wrong as primary offenses because it is pretty darn hard to see if someone has his seat belt on while driving down the street. This therefore empowers law enforcement with the excuse that "I noted the driver was not wearing a seat belt so I engaged my blue lights, pursued, and pulled the car over."
I'm one of the few libertarian cops I know -- and I'm no longer active. And I couldn't bear the idea of a primary stop for seatbelts as you cannot tell easily!
But it is a great excuse that can open the door to other abuses.
ronhic
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Hunter....
....I completely disagree with you on the point of primary offense for seat belt wearing...
As in Ireland, Canada and the UK, failure to wear a belt here is a 'primary' style offense....'Click Clack, front and back' was the advert here in the 1980's...but it has been law to wear a belt when fitted since the mid 1970's...
....and compulsory fitment of belts in the rear since 1972, though manufacturers such as Volvo and BMC (British Motor Corporation - Morris/Austin et.al) did fit much earlier...1964 in the case of the Morris 1100....
...just the thought that someone could even think in this day and age that being both forced to wear a belt 'by law' and/or that being able to be pulled over and fined as the primary offense is wrong, is in itself, wrong. Failure to wear a belt, which is better safety device than an airbag and certainly makes an airbag more effective, is akin to playing Russian roulette with your life AND has the potential to have any person who happens to have an accident with a non-wearer who dies, guilty of manslaughter - accidental death...which could possibly have been prevented....
Yep, sorry, but I am passionate about seat belt laws....I nearly lost 2 members of my family many years ago because the car hadn't been fitted with them (early 1960's Holden)...she went through the windscreen and their son at 5 months hit the dash board!)....
....I completely disagree with you on the point of primary offense for seat belt wearing...
As in Ireland, Canada and the UK, failure to wear a belt here is a 'primary' style offense....'Click Clack, front and back' was the advert here in the 1980's...but it has been law to wear a belt when fitted since the mid 1970's...
....and compulsory fitment of belts in the rear since 1972, though manufacturers such as Volvo and BMC (British Motor Corporation - Morris/Austin et.al) did fit much earlier...1964 in the case of the Morris 1100....
...just the thought that someone could even think in this day and age that being both forced to wear a belt 'by law' and/or that being able to be pulled over and fined as the primary offense is wrong, is in itself, wrong. Failure to wear a belt, which is better safety device than an airbag and certainly makes an airbag more effective, is akin to playing Russian roulette with your life AND has the potential to have any person who happens to have an accident with a non-wearer who dies, guilty of manslaughter - accidental death...which could possibly have been prevented....
Yep, sorry, but I am passionate about seat belt laws....I nearly lost 2 members of my family many years ago because the car hadn't been fitted with them (early 1960's Holden)...she went through the windscreen and their son at 5 months hit the dash board!)....
bugsyjones
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I wear seatbelts. It has sort of become habit. It takes two seconds to do it.
I see it all the time on the news or read it in the paper:
4 Dead, 1 injured in turnpike accident.
"the four passengers were pronounced dead at the scene. None were wearing seat belts. The driver is at So-and-So Hospital in critical condition. The driver WAS wearing a seat belt."
It seems like I read the same lines over and over. Almost all surviors of the car accidents were wearing saftey belts.
I don't think twice about driving without one.
~Tim
I see it all the time on the news or read it in the paper:
4 Dead, 1 injured in turnpike accident.
"the four passengers were pronounced dead at the scene. None were wearing seat belts. The driver is at So-and-So Hospital in critical condition. The driver WAS wearing a seat belt."
It seems like I read the same lines over and over. Almost all surviors of the car accidents were wearing saftey belts.
I don't think twice about driving without one.
~Tim
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