Does this look like a KDS-18?
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Lucky you!
It looks like one.
It looks like one.
Yep
That's exactly what it is.
That's exactly what it is.
Wow, a KDS18 with black panel front. Lucky you and for only $10. Wonder what it lopoks like inside. That's what I would need for it to match my kitchen, black panel fronts.
Often described as the best dishwasher Hobart/KA ever produced. Three wash levels with an extra spray from the ceiling too keep any pesky yiblets off the cup bottoms.
If you decide to install this one, don't jump to the conclusion that it doesn't work when you cycle it up for the first time. It will just sit and do nothing while it heats the water, then start when the water reaches the right temperature.
Don't be intimidated by all the buttons. Just like on your KDB21, you can select the "normal" cycle and be on your way, but for those tough or specialized jobs, you'll have other options.
A steal at $10. I hope the interior is decent. Give the 4-way Hydrosweep spray arm at the bottom a spin by hand and see what it does. If it doesn't spin smoothly, you may be looking at repairs sooner rather than later.
If you decide to install this one, don't jump to the conclusion that it doesn't work when you cycle it up for the first time. It will just sit and do nothing while it heats the water, then start when the water reaches the right temperature.
Don't be intimidated by all the buttons. Just like on your KDB21, you can select the "normal" cycle and be on your way, but for those tough or specialized jobs, you'll have other options.
A steal at $10. I hope the interior is decent. Give the 4-way Hydrosweep spray arm at the bottom a spin by hand and see what it does. If it doesn't spin smoothly, you may be looking at repairs sooner rather than later.
It will just sit and do nothing while it heats the water
Ralph, the 18 series didn't heat any water prior to the final sani-rinse just like the previous 15, 16, and 17 series. The 19 series Energy Saver IV was the firs KA to heat water several times during the cycle. Since I have to keep my eloectric water heater temp lower to save expense, an 18 with automatic water heating would be perfect--evgen more so if, as Tomturbomatic has stated NUMEROUIS times, if KA had kept the water circulating while it delayed to heat the water, it would have even better washability. Now to somewhat contradict what I've posted, the Soak & Scrub cycle did heat the water durinmg that cycle. Based upon the service manual or user guide, that cycle was about 40 minutes longerr than the 73 minute Normal cycle. The 18 seies finally lengthened the main wash phase severAL minutes more than the 9 minutes on the 16 and 17 series Superbas. Even as a teenasger I was concocting BobLoads that my mom's friends KAs didn't fully clean that my more modern dishwashers have managed to de beautifully. See what opportunities Hobart missed by not hiring me as a consultant back then. Just think of what even more of a K.A. dishwasher a KA would have been lol.
Ralph, the 18 series didn't heat any water prior to the final sani-rinse just like the previous 15, 16, and 17 series. The 19 series Energy Saver IV was the firs KA to heat water several times during the cycle. Since I have to keep my eloectric water heater temp lower to save expense, an 18 with automatic water heating would be perfect--evgen more so if, as Tomturbomatic has stated NUMEROUIS times, if KA had kept the water circulating while it delayed to heat the water, it would have even better washability. Now to somewhat contradict what I've posted, the Soak & Scrub cycle did heat the water durinmg that cycle. Based upon the service manual or user guide, that cycle was about 40 minutes longerr than the 73 minute Normal cycle. The 18 seies finally lengthened the main wash phase severAL minutes more than the 9 minutes on the 16 and 17 series Superbas. Even as a teenasger I was concocting BobLoads that my mom's friends KAs didn't fully clean that my more modern dishwashers have managed to de beautifully. See what opportunities Hobart missed by not hiring me as a consultant back then. Just think of what even more of a K.A. dishwasher a KA would have been lol.
Hubby just got home with this dirty little thing. A good scrub shall have her sparkling though.
I LOVE my KDB21 don't get me wrong, but I just couldn't let this one slip away for $10.
Arm spins well but I think it needs the nut on the top tightened since there seems to be quite a bit of play.
I LOVE my KDB21 don't get me wrong, but I just couldn't let this one slip away for $10.
Arm spins well but I think it needs the nut on the top tightened since there seems to be quite a bit of play.
Arm spins well but .. with play
Are you referring to the 4-way hydrosweep arm at the bottom of the tub? If so, that oculd mean the wash-arm support has been worn down and will significantly reduce cleaning performance. we'll have to cross that bridge when approached then.
Are you referring to the 4-way hydrosweep arm at the bottom of the tub? If so, that oculd mean the wash-arm support has been worn down and will significantly reduce cleaning performance. we'll have to cross that bridge when approached then.
There is no hold-down nut on the lower arm. It simply sits atop the support and can be lifted right off ... assuming it isn't worn to the point of being stuck.
Oh No!
Poor KA! And poor you! You must be devastated with that result!
A sheared motor shaft: Does that mean its snapped? I suppose one of the KA experts will be along quite shortly to help you with your plight. But I'm sure it can be economically repaired: Its a KitchenAid! And will last forever afterwards.
You should still be able to test the timer's operation, even without the motor.
Appnut:
I was always under the impression that the 18 series and above heated the water to a set point. In the "Secrets of the Inner Circle" booklet I was e-mailed, I think the heater was running during main-wash, but not the "full" heat that required the motor to shut off. The heating element apparently triggered the Main-wash detergent cup to open, the motor doing the "PreWash" cup.
Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I am known to make mistakes, from time to time.
Poor KA! And poor you! You must be devastated with that result!
A sheared motor shaft: Does that mean its snapped? I suppose one of the KA experts will be along quite shortly to help you with your plight. But I'm sure it can be economically repaired: Its a KitchenAid! And will last forever afterwards.
You should still be able to test the timer's operation, even without the motor.
Appnut:
I was always under the impression that the 18 series and above heated the water to a set point. In the "Secrets of the Inner Circle" booklet I was e-mailed, I think the heater was running during main-wash, but not the "full" heat that required the motor to shut off. The heating element apparently triggered the Main-wash detergent cup to open, the motor doing the "PreWash" cup.
Correct me if I'm wrong though, since I am known to make mistakes, from time to time.
NOT the motor shaft, that's the upper support shaft.
A new upper support can be had. I recently bought and sent one out to a member from Trinidad and Tobago for his KDS-19. They're getting a little tricky to find, but not impossible. Part# is 4162724.
It looks like the shaft was wearing into the Phillips head screw of the wash impeller. You may need to change that out too. I'm seeing upper support parts inside the wash arm, lol. Hopefully the wash arm is still good.
I LOVE my KDB21 don't get me wrong, but I just couldn't let this one slip away for $10.
You'll LOVE this one a hell of a lot more! Guaranteed!!
I'm very surprised it still retains the original upper constant rinse arm. Those are extremely fragile and usually broke a few years after the machine was new. Someone took very good care of it and was incredibly careful loading the upper rack. The newer designed constant rinse is part # 4162658, just for future records.
A new upper support can be had. I recently bought and sent one out to a member from Trinidad and Tobago for his KDS-19. They're getting a little tricky to find, but not impossible. Part# is 4162724.
It looks like the shaft was wearing into the Phillips head screw of the wash impeller. You may need to change that out too. I'm seeing upper support parts inside the wash arm, lol. Hopefully the wash arm is still good.
I LOVE my KDB21 don't get me wrong, but I just couldn't let this one slip away for $10.
You'll LOVE this one a hell of a lot more! Guaranteed!!
I'm very surprised it still retains the original upper constant rinse arm. Those are extremely fragile and usually broke a few years after the machine was new. Someone took very good care of it and was incredibly careful loading the upper rack. The newer designed constant rinse is part # 4162658, just for future records.
Here's a place that claims to have one in stock. Keep looking, you may find one that's cheaper.
http://www.usaappliances.net/parts/4162724-whirlpool-spray-arm-support-4695
http://www.usaappliances.net/parts/4162724-whirlpool-spray-arm-support-4695
danemodsandy
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Jen:
Raise your right hand and solemnly swear:
"I will never discard a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher until it has been pronounced dead by the most knowledgeable people on AW.org.
I will never question a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher's ability to rise from the dead.
I will never accept the word of Internet appliance parts companies - or Sears Parts - that a vintage KitchenAid part is no longer available.
I will never doubt the simplicity, longevity or reliability of any vintage KitchenAid dishwasher.
I will never commit the infidelity of casting covetous glances at new dishwashers of any brand, be they swathed in stainless steel and capable of eighty-four cycle options, for they are the work of the Devil.
I will honor my vintage KitchenAid dishwasher unto death and even after death, when I will offer its remaining good parts to the membership of AW.org.
So help me Hobart."
Raise your right hand and solemnly swear:
"I will never discard a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher until it has been pronounced dead by the most knowledgeable people on AW.org.
I will never question a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher's ability to rise from the dead.
I will never accept the word of Internet appliance parts companies - or Sears Parts - that a vintage KitchenAid part is no longer available.
I will never doubt the simplicity, longevity or reliability of any vintage KitchenAid dishwasher.
I will never commit the infidelity of casting covetous glances at new dishwashers of any brand, be they swathed in stainless steel and capable of eighty-four cycle options, for they are the work of the Devil.
I will honor my vintage KitchenAid dishwasher unto death and even after death, when I will offer its remaining good parts to the membership of AW.org.
So help me Hobart."
der the impression that the 18 series and above heated the w
Let me clarify here since you are spliktting hair. First, KitchenAid dishwashers would have the the "lesser" heating element (I don't know the official name of it) run to maintain and slightly heat the water during water circulation (wasshing and rinsing) phases. This is NOT automatic water heating it's simply maintaining water temperature and slightly raising it. On Superbas up through the 18 series, only the SaniCycle had the final rinse whereby the machine shut off water circulatoin so all heating element maximum watts could be applied to raise the water tempererature to 18 degrees. BUT beginning with teh 198 Series, the machine paused (depending upon cycle selected) 2 to 3 times (if not more) to heat the water to a specified thermostatic hold target. With the 19 series through teh 23 series, one was able to lower their water heater to 120 degrees and still have the dishwasher heat the water to 140 degrees. Prior to the 19 series, to get very clean dishes and cookare taht was heavily soiled, incoming water ha t be a minimum of 140 degrees. Thus for the 19 seris and above, true automatic water heating.
Let me clarify here since you are spliktting hair. First, KitchenAid dishwashers would have the the "lesser" heating element (I don't know the official name of it) run to maintain and slightly heat the water during water circulation (wasshing and rinsing) phases. This is NOT automatic water heating it's simply maintaining water temperature and slightly raising it. On Superbas up through the 18 series, only the SaniCycle had the final rinse whereby the machine shut off water circulatoin so all heating element maximum watts could be applied to raise the water tempererature to 18 degrees. BUT beginning with teh 198 Series, the machine paused (depending upon cycle selected) 2 to 3 times (if not more) to heat the water to a specified thermostatic hold target. With the 19 series through teh 23 series, one was able to lower their water heater to 120 degrees and still have the dishwasher heat the water to 140 degrees. Prior to the 19 series, to get very clean dishes and cookare taht was heavily soiled, incoming water ha t be a minimum of 140 degrees. Thus for the 19 seris and above, true automatic water heating.
Thanks
Gosh I really appreciate you helping dummy me. My hubby got a new position and is never around so I have had to take on more and its a whole new world LOL I am not too mechanically inclined as you can see. I took the old (6 yr old) DW out and installed the KDB21 and thats it. HAHA
Gosh I really appreciate you helping dummy me. My hubby got a new position and is never around so I have had to take on more and its a whole new world LOL I am not too mechanically inclined as you can see. I took the old (6 yr old) DW out and installed the KDB21 and thats it. HAHA
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Ahem!
"I took the old (6 yr old) DW out and installed the KDB21 and thats it."
If you can do that, you are so far ahead of most people it is not even funny.
"I took the old (6 yr old) DW out and installed the KDB21 and thats it."
If you can do that, you are so far ahead of most people it is not even funny.
Gosh I really appreciate you helping dummy me.
Glad to help, but believe me, you're no dummy. Not only have you found our little side of crazy here on the internet, but you quickly nabbed a highly coveted dishwasher that some have spent years to get in their hands.
As far as KA knowledge goes, I'm a complete retard compared to Stevet.....aka The Hobart Master Extraordinaire.
Glad to help, but believe me, you're no dummy. Not only have you found our little side of crazy here on the internet, but you quickly nabbed a highly coveted dishwasher that some have spent years to get in their hands.
As far as KA knowledge goes, I'm a complete retard compared to Stevet.....aka The Hobart Master Extraordinaire.
I do solemly swear
Raise your right hand and solemnly swear:
"I will never discard a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher until it has been pronounced dead by the most knowledgeable people on AW.org.
I will never question a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher's ability to rise from the dead.
I will never accept the word of Internet appliance parts companies - or Sears Parts - that a vintage KitchenAid part is no longer available.
I will never doubt the simplicity, longevity or reliability of any vintage KitchenAid dishwasher.
I will never commit the infidelity of casting covetous glances at new dishwashers of any brand, be they swathed in stainless steel and capable of eighty-four cycle options, for they are the work of the Devil.
I will honor my vintage KitchenAid dishwasher unto death and even after death, when I will offer its remaining good parts to the membership of AW.org.
So help me Hobart."
*I spit on all new/newer DW.
*I will promise to look upon them as the true devil spawn they are.
*I will dance of praise as my 6 year old KA DW is toted off to the scrap yard.
*Said 6 yr old KA DW will earn enough money at the scrap yard to pay for my KDS18 and I shall forever hold that near and dear. It was the only thing it EVER did well.
*Upon any death I hear by promise to part every possible part to prolong many years of life to other KA models.
*I appreciate the knowledge of all the experts. It really shows your passion.
Raise your right hand and solemnly swear:
"I will never discard a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher until it has been pronounced dead by the most knowledgeable people on AW.org.
I will never question a vintage KitchenAid dishwasher's ability to rise from the dead.
I will never accept the word of Internet appliance parts companies - or Sears Parts - that a vintage KitchenAid part is no longer available.
I will never doubt the simplicity, longevity or reliability of any vintage KitchenAid dishwasher.
I will never commit the infidelity of casting covetous glances at new dishwashers of any brand, be they swathed in stainless steel and capable of eighty-four cycle options, for they are the work of the Devil.
I will honor my vintage KitchenAid dishwasher unto death and even after death, when I will offer its remaining good parts to the membership of AW.org.
So help me Hobart."
*I spit on all new/newer DW.
*I will promise to look upon them as the true devil spawn they are.
*I will dance of praise as my 6 year old KA DW is toted off to the scrap yard.
*Said 6 yr old KA DW will earn enough money at the scrap yard to pay for my KDS18 and I shall forever hold that near and dear. It was the only thing it EVER did well.
*Upon any death I hear by promise to part every possible part to prolong many years of life to other KA models.
*I appreciate the knowledge of all the experts. It really shows your passion.
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