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Lysol Laundry Sanitizer

IIRC was a powder, and no it has not been on the market for years. You could use regular Lysol, but the "scent" does not leave your laundry or washing machine easily.

There are whole groups of chemicals one could use to disenfect laundry, but the cheapest and best for the buck is still chlorine bleach.

For most state and local health department, the standard used for disenfecting laundry is chlorine bleach. From commercial dishwashing to public laundry, bleach is it.

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I have a friend who runs the laundry for the local "Whor-a-Day Inn" near me. They had to stop using chlorine as a disenfectant in their laundry years ago because someone successfully SUED them over the residue left in the towels!!!! They use some special additive now automatically injected into the machines at the right time. I always take a little baggie of "Sporicidin" towelettes with me when I travel to clean the room in the hotel (and the tray table,window and arm-rests on the airplane!). Remote control, light switches, door knobs, handle on toilet, bathroom counter, telephone, etc. The housekeepers don't care, most are underpaid for the job they do and even if they were paid well I still don't think they would give a damn given their typical work load. Many come from third-world countries and have not been taught good hygene (nor do they comprehend the theory) in the first place!
 
Westytoploader asked: Any other

I just had a Rianni On Demand gas hot water heater installed and It Is FANTASTIC I had 8 house guest for Thanksgiving and never ran out of hot water and belive me The washers & Dishwashers were all running at the same time. I could never go back to a tank and I am now begining to see a big diffrence in my Gas bill

Tankless and love it

Philippe
 
Laundress / Sorry

Laundress, I am sorry to have made an assumption. I always enjoy your posts. Thanks alr2903
 
Understood about the natural bacterial ecosystems of the human body and even of reasonably-clean (but not obsessively-sterilized) households. And I'm certainly not on a crusade to kill every bacterium (or even the vast majority:-). Also understood about the variety of strains of e.coli.

(What I do in the kitchen is routinely wipe-down surfaces with a mild soap solution, and then every couple of weeks or so, nuke the place with a reasonably strong bleach solution. This on the theory that *occasional* bleaching won't lead up to biasing the kitchen surface ecosystem in favor of bad bugs, for example as happens when people over-use "antibacterial" products.)

I'm thinking ahead to the potential for bird flu (viral) to hop over to human transmission, and about possibilities involving various resistant bugs (MRSA comes to mind), and of course the old bugaboo, bioterrorist attacks possibly including smallpox.

Also, thinking back to a couple of bouts of some kind of intestinal bug in college, which were sufficiently bad to include a fever of 104 degrees. Few illnesses in my life have conjured up the feeling of "I'd rather just die than deal with another day of this," but those sure did. And a coworker of mine just got over having a mild version of this, which brought it back to mind pretty forcefully (he apparently caught it from a housemate of his, a day following very brief hand-to-hand contact).

Here's an idea that might be worth doing: someone with appropriate credentials start up a "hotel sanitation review" web page. Including such things as the results of culturing surfaces in rooms, expose' photos of bad laundry practices such as Westy came up with, photos of kitchens if there's anything truly notable going on, etc. (Unwashed bedspreads with (list of bodily fluids omitted): eeewww!) (Holy cow, anyone think of taking their Danby 5500 FL on vacation with them, for dealing with such contingencies?:-)

In the next pandemic, the underpaid & overworked & under-trained hotel cleaning staff will become part of the front-line defense. Hotel managers have got to start up-skilling the training and up-scaling their pay. I would gladly do without the TV entirely and other optional amenities, in favor of knowing that my bed linens weren't covered with little bugges, much less strangers' DNA.

Now I'd like to play Devil's Advocate about something, and see what y'all think about this.

One of the traditional selling-points of twin tub machines has been the ability to re-use wash water. This is still highly relevant in certain parts of Australia, Asia, and the Middle East. And soon, most likely, the USA southwest.

So you have, e.g. 6 lbs. of laundry, 10 gallons of water, and however-much detergent. Then you move the load to the spin-tub and whilst that's going on, start up another wash load in the same wash water.

Now you've done 12 lbs. of laundry in the same 10 gallons of water, having added more detergent (possibly) for the second load.

Okay, now how is this any different from a large-capacity front-loader, where you might have 12 lbs. of laundry in one load, along with 10 gallons of wash water, and the same amount of detergent? Your 12 lbs. of laundry have X quantity of little bugges in it, and they end up in the 10 gallons of water in the front loader.

So, what harm if any, in splitting the wash load into two loads of 6 lbs. each, and putting them through the same 12 gallons of water in the twin tub?
 
Reuse of Water

Hi Designgeek,

In AU up until recently it wasnt only Twin tubs that reused water, it was Suds Saver's as well. We're talking them being very common until the mid 90's or so.

Growing up my mum went from a twin tub, to a Whirlpool TL, she used to wash as the following.

Baby/Toddler Clothes - Hot - Save Water
Whites - Add Cold

Fresh water
Coloured - Cold - Save Water
Sheets - Add Cold

Fresh Water
Towels - Hot - Save water
Greasy Overalls - Add Warm.

She followed this process for 10 + years without us ever having anything more than a cold.

When she replaced the whirlpool with a Simpson which didnt have auto sudsave, she didnt use softener and would reuse the rinse water instead of the wash water. Thinking being that this was in theory cleaner than the wash water.

Whites were always bright white. (Heaven help the young learner washer boy who put colours in as well. THEY'LL COME OUT GREY, THEY'LL COME OUT GREY :) )

My point is, that I was fine until moving to the city, with fast food, public transport and not quite so fresh vegetables. Now I've had Antibiotic resistant strains of tummy bugs for almost 3 years now, and I just live with it.

In todays world, our washing, which if done ourselves only contains the germs we already have. There's lots bigger ways to worry about collecting bugs.

A mate of mine is paranoid about bugs, and as such uses an antiseptic rinse aditive, which kills fungus and bacteria etc. Its no more expensive than softener and he has the warm and fuzzy feeling that the bugs should be gone :)
 
Nasty hotel bedspreads

Its a little expensive-and it is interesting to science minded folks as well-thats the Emissive Energy-Innova 5led UltraViolet flashlight.I have one and it is interesting to use-you can use it to detective urine stains in bedspreads,floors,carpets,etc.Under UV light urine stains will appear to be bright yellow or greenish yellow.I use it at my workplace-along the walls on the floor you can see the urine stains from mice.Rats and mice do not have bladders to store their urine so they urinate all the time.There are other versions of UV lights available that are less expensive than the Innova model.Some can even be available as a key fob on a keyring.The Innova light uses two type#123 Lithium batteries.
I now do my underwear and socks as a separate load. Use a low hot water setting,than rinse with a high water setting-works really well-Even gets those "tracks" out.One funky thought-those parents at fast food or other places that allow their toddlers to sit on the food serving counters while waiting for their food---?Sort grosses me out. Let them stand or sit on the floor.Peoples bottoms may as whats on this thread-may be dirtier than you think.
 
Laundry disinfectants

Apaprently there's stuff out there that's safe for colored things

 
I used to kiss my dog when I was a kid too, but never ate dirt:-).

Kenmore, re. Peracetic acid: interesting stuff, shouldn't even be too expensive (it sounds like a derivative of acetic acid, which is white vinegar). Does that place sell to end-users? (And if we go buying generic chemicals to make household cleaners with, will that get us a visit from Homeland Security?:-).

Brisnat81, we had suds-savers here in the USA for a while in the 1950s and 60s. They might make a comeback in some new form; and we're already starting to see new twin-tubs on the market here (Danby and now Haier).

Interesting set of cycles your mom ran. I was thinking that something along the lines of using the rinse-water from load A to wash load B, etc., might be a viable procedure. Or use washwater for two cycles of colored shirts (no coliform on shirts!), and proceed from there. I'm going to start running some experiments shortly along all of these lines & will start a topic to report results.

Re. your resistant bugs, how long did each case last? And did you ever track it down to something specific (e.g. food, water)?

Tolivac, is that a longwave or shortwave UV flashlight? And what's the cost? Longwave is traditional "blacklight" used in psychedelic lighting effects and so on, which makes fluorescent paints glow. Shortwave is what's used for sterilizing, and is also a skin-cancer hazard if chronically over-exposed.

I think I would freak out if I started seeing all kinds of fluorescent glow in hotel rooms, and in the beds. Eww, just thinking about it is enough to give me the creeps. On the other hand, I think I'm going to start taking my own sheets with me when I travel on business. Or at least bring my own pillow (speaking of places that harbor little critters!) and sleep in my sweats, which I know are properly washed.

Not to mention the risk to people with compromised immune systems, of picking up something that could kill them, from just sleeping in a hotel. And not to mention what happens in the next pandemic, even to the rest of us with normally-functioning immune systems.

Clearly another potential application for those Electric Bubble Bucket type micro-washers: take it to the hotel and wash your sheets. If anyone wanted to make a fortune they'd start marketing those to travelers who don't want to sleep in strangers' dried bodily fluids and DNA. Sell them in a "travelers' sanitation kit" along with a UV flashlight and a few other items such as water-disinfecting tablets. (You can tell I don't travel much, eh?)

--- squeamish alert, poopoo items below ---

Babies sitting on counters in their poopy diapers: Yeah, nasty, I never even thought about that one. Eeyow. And for the baby's benefit: s/he could pick up the bugs left by other peoples' dirty hands on the counters, which point could be used to encourage parents to keep their kids' bottoms off the counters.

Once, when I was a kid, my mom caught someone in a department store letting their kid pee into the basin of a drinking fountain. My mom gave her hell for it, and she (the woman with the baby who was peeing in the water fountain) got all defensive because she didn't even think she was doing anything wrong.

Seems to me these things need to be taught in school and even in church, if parents are that ignorant.

Fifty years of antibiotics have made us oh so complacent. And that era is coming quickly to an end.
 
UV flashlight

I beleive it generates primarily LW-which the urine will flouresce under this-and some SW radiation.It was about $54.0 Its an interesting gadget.Carry it with me.I do wear glasses which can filter out the SW radiation.I just don't look directly into its beam.I would think the "micro-bubbler" washers would be too small to use for sheets-many hotels have a laundramat though-guess you could wash the sheets there for a peice of mind-what about the towels??Wonder where they have been.Probably "roundie-roundie" in that picture of a large FL washer in another entry.I too have been known to take some of my own bedding to hotels.Maybe it might give their housekeeping staff a message-And the Hotels should teach them how to load and use the laundry equipment.If that was used right shoudn't be a worry.Yes I wonder how many rats and mice-other critters populate and serve as unpaid "guests" in hotels.The UV light could tell-and you could even show the hotel staff!!Maybe THEY should have and use the UV lamps.
that really GROSS about the lady letting her baby pee into the drinking fountain-guess will have to shine the UV lamp on those too!!Makes you want to stay at HOME!People are sure disgusting these days.Need to show them those old "health" and "personal" care films in schools like what I used to have to watch.The kids on the counter sort of bothered me when I was at a restaurant-saw that and went to another.think the store staff should ask the mom to keep the kids on the floor.Its NOT her home!!Oh-on the UV lamps-you can get other types as well-some much less expensive than the Innova model.Its considered the better and more powerful lamp.Fishermen also use these lamps to "recharge" flourescent fishing lures.Sometimes you can find them in hunting and fishing supply stores.another place to try.
 
Kiss your dog

Dogs and cats mouths are cleaner than a persons-their saliva has compounds in it that can kill germs-but the thought-of kissing the dog when he has licked his.....???Human mouths are real growth areas for nasties-in fact if your are bitten by another person the doctor will definetly give you shots.Human saliva doesn't have the germ killing agents dogs and cats do.Just food for thought.the nasties are why our teeth are subject to decay.
 
Other UV lights

I also have some UV lamps from Ultraviolet Products-These were intended for minerology and prospectors nad "rockhounds" many types of mineral ores flouresce brightly under SW UV light. the lamps I have generate either. They also have filters on them to filter out the tubes visible light. these use quartz glass argon-mercury bulbs-look like minitature flourecscent bulbs but without phospors.These are very expensive-most of the cost goes into the filter. The LED lights are less expensive-they don't have filters on their bulbs. The flourecsecnce will still work-but not as clearly as the UV Products lamps. I have a propectors UV lamp that runs on two 6V lantern batteries. It also has a white light in it as well.A word of warning on the UV products lamps-since they generate SW radiation-they can burn eyes and skin-and with the filter--in a brigtely lit room you may not be able to see that the lamp is on unless you point it at an object that will flouresce.These lamps are usually sold from suppliers such as Edmund science,and any "Rockhound"Rock shop,or Lapidary shop in your area. The prospectors lamp will probably run about $300.Its good for those folks who are very serious about UV lighting.A footnote though-the LW lamps sold at novelty stores could be used to look for urine stains.They may have battery powered ones as well.They would use flouresecent style bulbs instead of LEDS-UV Leds are expensive.They are working on ones that can generate SW light.That would sure change the mineroloy and suntan industries-Imagine a booth with hundreds of UV leds!!instead of the UV bulbs.I did look up a website that sold UV suntanning machines-they had one that had over 30Kw of UV lamps-Skin cancer in a box!!
 
Anywho

I don't think it is a Canadian expression. I hear this alot here in the states now. I don't know where it came from. Maybe someone else can enlighten us.
 
Anywho

I'm thinking it's a midwest thing....We don't have a clue being in the Northeast some of these expressions. We wouldn't know what a persimmon festival is, much less what one looks like, maybe we would....Like, whoever heard of Big Red Soda. Not here!
Jerry
 
I use the Canadian "eh?," I picked it up from a boyfriend in college years ago.

Tolivac, thanks for the infos on the UV lights. BTW, the "baby peeing in water fountain" item was about 1967 or so. Though today that kind of behavior probably still goes on.

I have never seen "evidence" of rodent troubles in decent hotels while on business travel. I wouldn't doubt there are otherwise-good hotels that have 'em. With Hanta virus nowadays, rodents are no longer a "cute" pest problem, they are potentially fatal.

Best solution I have seen is called the Rat Zapper. Electrocution trap. Humane (instant kill), clean (no *splat*), doesn't cause other rats/mice to get "trap shy" because they don't see/smell the results of "splat." Easy to empty, you don't touch the little buggers on their way out. Costs about $70 each if I recall correctly, but if you've got a serious rodent problem, it will clean them up in no time flat, and at far lower cost than calling an exterminator.

www.ratzapper.com, and no, I don't have a commercial interest in promoting it.
 
eeeuwwwwww......

When traveling...I usually bring a small spray can of lysol and spray everything that's touchable. The bedspreads get thrown into a pile in the corner. I never walk on the carpet barefooted (yuk). I worry about the pillows. I mean, do they ever change them or clean them? When I was younger, I answered the switchboard at a really great boutique hotel (can I mention also pricey). You wouldn't believe the stories...footprints on the walls and ceilings. So what are they doing with the pillows? >:0
 
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