norgeway
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Does anyone have one, What do you think of it????
Eden Pure Heaters???
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Resistance electric heat is the same no matter what, 3.41 BTU per watt. These are no more efficient then any other form of electric heater, no matter what they say. Remember to always multiply the claims of someone trying to sell you something by .25
If after taking that into account, you love the design and don't feel bad about paying 5-10 times more then you should for a heater of similar BTU output, then they are likely fine.
If I were buying a portable electric heater it would be one of the fluid filled radiator style units. They are silent and safe, although a little slow due to their thermal mass. They will heat the same as an EdenPURE and only cost ~$50-60
If after taking that into account, you love the design and don't feel bad about paying 5-10 times more then you should for a heater of similar BTU output, then they are likely fine.
If I were buying a portable electric heater it would be one of the fluid filled radiator style units. They are silent and safe, although a little slow due to their thermal mass. They will heat the same as an EdenPURE and only cost ~$50-60
It's just resistance electrical heat which is more expensive that heat pump technology, but cheaper than burning down the house to heat it. In a room heater, you are getting every BTU out of the wattage that is possible because you are not sending heat up a chimney like with a furnace that uses fuel. X number of watts yields X number of BTUs. I don't think it can be enhanced, even with copper tubes. If it helps, on Amazon reviews there are 69 5 star, 16 4 star, 9 3 star, 15 2 star and 98 1 star reviews.
If you have a cold room that you want to heat with supplemental heat, there are cheaper products like the Vornado heater which I have that works great. I don't advocate my mother's solution when we would say that the house was cold. She would tell us to do some work and that would warm us up.
If you have a cold room that you want to heat with supplemental heat, there are cheaper products like the Vornado heater which I have that works great. I don't advocate my mother's solution when we would say that the house was cold. She would tell us to do some work and that would warm us up.
iheartmaytag
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I have two Eden Pure clones as well as one of the oil filled radiators. All are comparable with warmth, the radiator cost about $100 less than the clones which were around $149 at Wal-Mart, Menard's.
I like the box heaters because they don't get hot so if a kid or pet touches them they won't get burned. I can't attest to efficiency of one over the other, but the "soft" heat does keep the room comfortable. Because of the high ceilings I turn the fans on winter mode to help push the warm air back down.
Only the one in the living room runs daily, the rest are as needed. I find it increases my monthly electric bill about $25.
I like the box heaters because they don't get hot so if a kid or pet touches them they won't get burned. I can't attest to efficiency of one over the other, but the "soft" heat does keep the room comfortable. Because of the high ceilings I turn the fans on winter mode to help push the warm air back down.
Only the one in the living room runs daily, the rest are as needed. I find it increases my monthly electric bill about $25.
dustin92
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We bought an Edenpure a few years ago when our central furnace was broken. It claimed to heat 1000 square feet, and we wanted it to heat a medium-large room (probably less than 700 square feet). Keeping in mind, the entire house was 1900 sq. ft, a single (old and cheap) fan heater was keeping the rest of the house livable (at least 60 or so), The Edenpure ran 24/7 for a week and never got the room over 60 degrees. We returned it and purchased an Oil filled electric radiator that had no problem keeping the room 65-68. We bought one of the Eden pure look-alikes from Menards two years ago on black friday (paid $49 for a $100 heater), and have been happy with it. I don't know how long it will last, but it works well.
vintagekitchen
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My ex, who was a master electrician said these heaters and other high priced electric heaters were the biggest scam around.
As he explained it, the maximum rating of a space heater is 1500 watts. And as electric heaters are 100% efficient, that will always translate into about 5000 watts. (Actually 5120 to be exact.) No matter what style cabinet you use, that's it, maximum output
That's basically all these expensive heaters are, a fancy looking cabinet wrapped around a basic heater.
He told me to look for actual usable features, like a digital thermostat, a shut off timer, and a safe design, such as a honeycomb style grill instead of bars to reduce the possibility of anything contacting the elements of the heater and catching fire.
He also pointed out, if you heat with space heaters that are on 24/7, electric oil filled radiators provide soft steady heat with little temperature swing, but they can't heat a room from cold in a hurry.
However, basic radiant or fan forced heaters can heat things fast, but they have wide temperature swings, basically no such thing as warm, just either hot or not as the heater kicks on and off throughout the day and night.
As he explained it, the maximum rating of a space heater is 1500 watts. And as electric heaters are 100% efficient, that will always translate into about 5000 watts. (Actually 5120 to be exact.) No matter what style cabinet you use, that's it, maximum output
That's basically all these expensive heaters are, a fancy looking cabinet wrapped around a basic heater.
He told me to look for actual usable features, like a digital thermostat, a shut off timer, and a safe design, such as a honeycomb style grill instead of bars to reduce the possibility of anything contacting the elements of the heater and catching fire.
He also pointed out, if you heat with space heaters that are on 24/7, electric oil filled radiators provide soft steady heat with little temperature swing, but they can't heat a room from cold in a hurry.
However, basic radiant or fan forced heaters can heat things fast, but they have wide temperature swings, basically no such thing as warm, just either hot or not as the heater kicks on and off throughout the day and night.
The other thing though is what are you looking for spot heating or heating a whole room. We have a few old heaters sitting around but the best one for quick spot heating is the parabolic one.. You can feel the heat almost immediately 6 feet away.
arbilab
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See above, Watts be Watts and that's all there is to it except fan-forced feels warmer faster.
I have this 6" cube I bought in 1988 for a house with no bathroom heat. Price roughly $30. With minimal maintenance (dusting, oiling) it still works as new. You can't do better. You can't even do as well, that company went out of business. Lost to the GIMMICK sellers.
See again, Watts be Watts and that's what it takes to keep a space warm. Oilfills are silent, slow, take up space. Fanforced make a sound, fast, compact. NOTHING can produce more heat out of 1500W than anything else.
I have this 6" cube I bought in 1988 for a house with no bathroom heat. Price roughly $30. With minimal maintenance (dusting, oiling) it still works as new. You can't do better. You can't even do as well, that company went out of business. Lost to the GIMMICK sellers.
See again, Watts be Watts and that's what it takes to keep a space warm. Oilfills are silent, slow, take up space. Fanforced make a sound, fast, compact. NOTHING can produce more heat out of 1500W than anything else.
I tried one ...
A decade ago, my parents built a wing onto their already large house for my grandmother ... about 900 square feet comprising a large living room, an even larger bedroom, spa-sized bathroom (Dad wanted plenty of room to maneuver a wheelchair, if it came to that), and (a bonus for Mom), a first-floor laundry room.
Dad really should have installed a second furnace for that addition, rather than extending the ductwork; the "heated" air is always chilly, and that entire wing is never warm enough. Grandma always needed a space heater in her living room and in her bedroom. But those little ceramic jobs aren't nearly enough to heat those big rooms.
Grandma is no longer with us, and I use the wing when I'm visiting. Since I lost a lot of weight 6 years ago, I find I'm ALWAYS cold, and it's even worse now when I go home and stay in those chilly rooms. The space heater was never enough.
Enter the Edenpure. Dad bought one for the bedroom just in time for my Christmas visit. I don't know about it heating 1,000 square feet, but it did a dandy job of keeping that 25x17 bedroom toasty warm on the second-lowest setting. I also liked that there was no real direct fan blowing super-heated air on you like a convection oven; it felt more like heat from a radiator.
It also felt very safe; all external surfaces actually cool to the touch. I'm paranoid about heaters, so I still kept everything at least a foot away from it anyway. But it's the first electric heater that I felt comfortable leaving on all night while I slept.
My two cents.
A decade ago, my parents built a wing onto their already large house for my grandmother ... about 900 square feet comprising a large living room, an even larger bedroom, spa-sized bathroom (Dad wanted plenty of room to maneuver a wheelchair, if it came to that), and (a bonus for Mom), a first-floor laundry room.
Dad really should have installed a second furnace for that addition, rather than extending the ductwork; the "heated" air is always chilly, and that entire wing is never warm enough. Grandma always needed a space heater in her living room and in her bedroom. But those little ceramic jobs aren't nearly enough to heat those big rooms.
Grandma is no longer with us, and I use the wing when I'm visiting. Since I lost a lot of weight 6 years ago, I find I'm ALWAYS cold, and it's even worse now when I go home and stay in those chilly rooms. The space heater was never enough.
Enter the Edenpure. Dad bought one for the bedroom just in time for my Christmas visit. I don't know about it heating 1,000 square feet, but it did a dandy job of keeping that 25x17 bedroom toasty warm on the second-lowest setting. I also liked that there was no real direct fan blowing super-heated air on you like a convection oven; it felt more like heat from a radiator.
It also felt very safe; all external surfaces actually cool to the touch. I'm paranoid about heaters, so I still kept everything at least a foot away from it anyway. But it's the first electric heater that I felt comfortable leaving on all night while I slept.
My two cents.
arbilab
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$300--ten times the cost--to get the same 1500W into the air? Well nevermind, long as you like it.
Rick ...
... there's much more than just simple cost comparisons at work here. And sheer wattage means nothing.
As I explained above, the heater is MUCH more effective at heating a large area than the other 1500 watt space heaters that preceded it.
And it's much safer. Those little heaters WILL overheat if left on too long (I know, I've overheated them. One even started smoking.)
My parents' 1500 watt Edenpure heated that huge room on its second-lowest setting. Want to try to heat that room with a hair dryer? How long do you think it would take, running that sucker full-blast, before it eventually bursts into flames?
It's how the heater is built, and how it uses the wattage.
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... there's much more than just simple cost comparisons at work here. And sheer wattage means nothing.
As I explained above, the heater is MUCH more effective at heating a large area than the other 1500 watt space heaters that preceded it.
And it's much safer. Those little heaters WILL overheat if left on too long (I know, I've overheated them. One even started smoking.)
My parents' 1500 watt Edenpure heated that huge room on its second-lowest setting. Want to try to heat that room with a hair dryer? How long do you think it would take, running that sucker full-blast, before it eventually bursts into flames?
It's how the heater is built, and how it uses the wattage.
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dj-gabriele
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It's how the heater is built, and how it uses the watta
If you say that a better construction is worth spending a little more than using a cheap Chinese heater, I totally second what you say but...
as long as the power of the heating element is the same, all the room heaters, be them 19,99$ ones or 199,90$, they will output the same heat in the room they're placed in. The "wattage" as you call it, is used the same way.
The only thing that changes is how hot their surface will get and the presence or absence of a fan that helps in even distribution of the heat.
A 1500W element will give out exactly 1500 W of heat (or if you prefer 5.118 btu/hour not one more, not one less!)
If I were to heat the room with my bread toaster I'd get the same effect of using a radiator of the same power, ditto if I wanted to use the washer/dryer, just turn the dial to "cottons, 100% dry" and voilà, I have an oversized 1500 W heater.
The only electric apparatus that can be more efficient in heating a room with a given power is a heat pump: simply because they move the heat inside from another place and don't "generate" it out of the Joule effect.
If you say that a better construction is worth spending a little more than using a cheap Chinese heater, I totally second what you say but...
as long as the power of the heating element is the same, all the room heaters, be them 19,99$ ones or 199,90$, they will output the same heat in the room they're placed in. The "wattage" as you call it, is used the same way.
The only thing that changes is how hot their surface will get and the presence or absence of a fan that helps in even distribution of the heat.
A 1500W element will give out exactly 1500 W of heat (or if you prefer 5.118 btu/hour not one more, not one less!)
If I were to heat the room with my bread toaster I'd get the same effect of using a radiator of the same power, ditto if I wanted to use the washer/dryer, just turn the dial to "cottons, 100% dry" and voilà, I have an oversized 1500 W heater.
The only electric apparatus that can be more efficient in heating a room with a given power is a heat pump: simply because they move the heat inside from another place and don't "generate" it out of the Joule effect.
"If I were to heat the room with my bread toaster I'd get the same effect of using a radiator of the same power, ditto if I wanted to use the washer/dryer, just turn the dial to "cottons, 100% dry" and voilà, I have an oversized 1500 W heater."
This comment made me think of a dual function clothes dryer we have here in Brazil.
Even having a super hot weather, we also have winters (of course not as cold as in the U.S.) and our winters last only a few days (some years they last two weeks)
A good alternative for people is this clothes dryer. it hangs on the wall and has a nylon chamber to dry clothes and can also be used as a space heater by taking it out of it's brackets and removing the chamber.
Said that, i started wondering. AFAIK, during severe cold weather, like now in the US, every degree counts. What happens when people use a clothes dryer?
Lots of warm air (that costed money to be heated) is sucked by the dryer, heated up to dry the clothes and then exausted outdoors.
And what if this exaust air could be recicled? and exausted back in the same ambient? Wouldn't the dryer save a few cents every use, and also help increasing the moisture level on the air, reducing the need of humidifiers?
Of course it would work for an electric dryer because gas dryers produce CO² that can kill people.
The major concern would be the lint. Even with excellent lint filters, some lint isn't trapped But, there could be a way to include extra levels of filtering after the exaust.
Maybe it won't heat the room (the same as trying to use a hair dryer to heat a room) but, at least it would prevent the warm air to be exausted.
This comment made me think of a dual function clothes dryer we have here in Brazil.
Even having a super hot weather, we also have winters (of course not as cold as in the U.S.) and our winters last only a few days (some years they last two weeks)
A good alternative for people is this clothes dryer. it hangs on the wall and has a nylon chamber to dry clothes and can also be used as a space heater by taking it out of it's brackets and removing the chamber.
Said that, i started wondering. AFAIK, during severe cold weather, like now in the US, every degree counts. What happens when people use a clothes dryer?
Lots of warm air (that costed money to be heated) is sucked by the dryer, heated up to dry the clothes and then exausted outdoors.
And what if this exaust air could be recicled? and exausted back in the same ambient? Wouldn't the dryer save a few cents every use, and also help increasing the moisture level on the air, reducing the need of humidifiers?
Of course it would work for an electric dryer because gas dryers produce CO² that can kill people.
The major concern would be the lint. Even with excellent lint filters, some lint isn't trapped But, there could be a way to include extra levels of filtering after the exaust.
Maybe it won't heat the room (the same as trying to use a hair dryer to heat a room) but, at least it would prevent the warm air to be exausted.
"as long as the power of the heating element is the same, all the room heaters, be them 19,99$ ones or 199,90$, they will output the same heat in the room they're placed in. The "wattage" as you call it, is used the same way."
Actually, no.
That's like saying a 1978 Porsche 911 uses its 200 horsepower "the same" as the 2014 Chevy Malibu uses ITS 200 horsepower. The Porsche would leave the Chevy in the dust.
A "1500 watt" hair dryer could never heat a room the way a 1500 watt space heater could, because of how its built, the size of its heating unit, and the electrical resistance. In other words, how it's built.
Actually, no.
That's like saying a 1978 Porsche 911 uses its 200 horsepower "the same" as the 2014 Chevy Malibu uses ITS 200 horsepower. The Porsche would leave the Chevy in the dust.
A "1500 watt" hair dryer could never heat a room the way a 1500 watt space heater could, because of how its built, the size of its heating unit, and the electrical resistance. In other words, how it's built.
warmsecondrinse
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My parents have a 12'x15' enclosed porch that has double-paned glass sliders around half of it. The other walls as well as the ceiling and floor are well insulated. they ignored my suggestions and made no provisions whatsoever to heat it.They heat it with 2 1500-watt electric heaters. I assume they're on separate circuits as there've been no problems at all, ever. Initially they used one (then two) radiant heaters with fan-forced convection. My parents complained that whenever someone walked in from outside the temperature dropped 20 degrees. Again, they ignored my suggestions as to how to fix that situation. I bought oil-filled electric radiators, set them up and took away the old ones when I was up visiting and they were out. Lol, I had to wait until they left otherwise they'd have balked.
They were thrilled to find that they could walk in and out without making the place cold. I explained that electric radiators are NOT producing any more heat than the other ones, but that that once the radiators are hot, they stay hot. Yes, the room now takes a full hour longer to heat up from 50 to 70 degrees every morning, but once the room is warm, it stays warm.
I suspect the speed of the warmed air coming out of the Eden Pure heater is just below that which would give a cooling effect but high enough to move throughout the room. The same 5120 Btu's of heat you got from the 'insufficient' space heater is now evenly distributed so cold spots are eliminated. Bingo! The room is now warm and toasty and everyone is happy.
I think the point is that which type of heater is best depends on what you need it for. If you want to keep a room warm and at one even temperature all the time I'd go with electric radiators or something like Edenpure. If you need quick heat in one area for a short time, then radiant will do. However, no matter what, you're still working with the same 5120 Btu's of heat. If the room requires more than that to maintain the temperature you want, one plug-in electric won't do the job, no matter what kind it is.
My 2 cents
They were thrilled to find that they could walk in and out without making the place cold. I explained that electric radiators are NOT producing any more heat than the other ones, but that that once the radiators are hot, they stay hot. Yes, the room now takes a full hour longer to heat up from 50 to 70 degrees every morning, but once the room is warm, it stays warm.
I suspect the speed of the warmed air coming out of the Eden Pure heater is just below that which would give a cooling effect but high enough to move throughout the room. The same 5120 Btu's of heat you got from the 'insufficient' space heater is now evenly distributed so cold spots are eliminated. Bingo! The room is now warm and toasty and everyone is happy.
I think the point is that which type of heater is best depends on what you need it for. If you want to keep a room warm and at one even temperature all the time I'd go with electric radiators or something like Edenpure. If you need quick heat in one area for a short time, then radiant will do. However, no matter what, you're still working with the same 5120 Btu's of heat. If the room requires more than that to maintain the temperature you want, one plug-in electric won't do the job, no matter what kind it is.
My 2 cents
There is a law of physics called conservation of energy. Energy can change forms but it can't be created or destroyed. If a heater consumes 1500 watts of electricity then it must radiate 5,115 BTU's of heat. Only way it could be different is if the energy was doing something else, like charging a battery or doing physical work.
So therefore a 1500 watt hair dryer WILL heat a room EXACTLY the same as ANY other 1500 watt electric heater, period. There is nowhere else for the energy to go other then heat. Even loses in the wiring to the heating element only generate more heat.
Note that its not likely a good idea to heat with the hair dryer as it won't have a long life span (they aren't designed for that duty cycle) but it will heat the same as any other 1500 watt heater for as long as it runs.
Yes there are difference in perceived heat due to forced airflow vs convection vs infrared radiation. But in a defined area (a room) the temperature rise will be the same from any electric heater dissipating 1500 watts, including the hair dryer.
So therefore a 1500 watt hair dryer WILL heat a room EXACTLY the same as ANY other 1500 watt electric heater, period. There is nowhere else for the energy to go other then heat. Even loses in the wiring to the heating element only generate more heat.
Note that its not likely a good idea to heat with the hair dryer as it won't have a long life span (they aren't designed for that duty cycle) but it will heat the same as any other 1500 watt heater for as long as it runs.
Yes there are difference in perceived heat due to forced airflow vs convection vs infrared radiation. But in a defined area (a room) the temperature rise will be the same from any electric heater dissipating 1500 watts, including the hair dryer.
Thomas, your question about the operation of the clothes dryer is one I had decades ago. I use gas dryers outside under my deck in the summer to avoid pulling cooled, dehumidified air out of the house and in the winter, I use electric dryers in my basement with additional filters outside of the dryers to catch lint that sneaks past the lint filter to save the warmth and beneficial humidity. I turn on the furnace blower to continuous operation while the dryers operate and distribute the warm humid air throughout the house, although I also direct it toward the plant room with a fan. The washers extract well enough that there is never a humidity overload like sweathing windows.
joe_in_philly
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There are venting kits to exhaust an electric dryer inside a house. One type, like in the link below, is basically a bucket with water in it to help catch extra lint. I was only in one house that used such a contraption, about 30 years ago, and it was very warm and humid inside, despite it being cold and dry outside. I believe it would mostly be used in winter. An full sized American dryer could put out 5000 watts or more.
There a rip off they do not or cant save your money. Save your money and buy a 20 dollar heater from Walmart...
Heat-Pumps are different they move heat instead of making it.The 1500 watts would be 4500 hundred watts of heat with a
decent heat-pump.That would be a COP of 3 most are higher than that but right now with this 8 degree temp they drop down
to about a 2 COP if your lucky to get that.Our Mitsubishi Hyper Heat had no problems at -1 last night our Trane bit the dust last
night burnt the blower motor up and the board up cost was 1500 bucks thank God for the Warranty Parts and Labor cost was 0.
Heat-Pumps are different they move heat instead of making it.The 1500 watts would be 4500 hundred watts of heat with a
decent heat-pump.That would be a COP of 3 most are higher than that but right now with this 8 degree temp they drop down
to about a 2 COP if your lucky to get that.Our Mitsubishi Hyper Heat had no problems at -1 last night our Trane bit the dust last
night burnt the blower motor up and the board up cost was 1500 bucks thank God for the Warranty Parts and Labor cost was 0.
