The cycle signal can be turned on or off. There's no switch for the wrinkle guard.
End of an Era, "commercial" VMWs discontinued!
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ryner1988
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Water level selector on newer Maytag commercial
This would be a selling point for many people, I can see that feature causing this machine to be even more desirable than even the TC5, and that's saying something for a VMW machine -- I think we all know how I feel about them LOL
But perhaps I would actually purchase this washer if my current DD were to die. Never thought I would consider a VMW washer again, but this actually looks like a really great machine!
This would be a selling point for many people, I can see that feature causing this machine to be even more desirable than even the TC5, and that's saying something for a VMW machine -- I think we all know how I feel about them LOL
But perhaps I would actually purchase this washer if my current DD were to die. Never thought I would consider a VMW washer again, but this actually looks like a really great machine!
panasonicvac
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Hmm
Unless if they brought back the old school motor with the old school direct drive transmission, I'd still would buy a Speed Queen TC5 over this "new" Maytag Commercial. Can't say that I was impressed when I tried out the MVWP575GW1 last year. I think it washed just as good as the old school direct drive Whirlpools like my Kenmore 90 Series but I questioned about it's reliability because I kept reading online through different websites about the warranty issues they were having and I've read more reports of issues of them than I've read the issues about the SQ TC5. Plus this is not a popular opinion but I actually hated the sound it made as it was washing, quieter yes but not old school sounding as my Kenmore and the TC5. I guess the only thing that I did liked better about it was that as it was filling up, the tub slightly spun every 10 seconds I believe.
Unless if they brought back the old school motor with the old school direct drive transmission, I'd still would buy a Speed Queen TC5 over this "new" Maytag Commercial. Can't say that I was impressed when I tried out the MVWP575GW1 last year. I think it washed just as good as the old school direct drive Whirlpools like my Kenmore 90 Series but I questioned about it's reliability because I kept reading online through different websites about the warranty issues they were having and I've read more reports of issues of them than I've read the issues about the SQ TC5. Plus this is not a popular opinion but I actually hated the sound it made as it was washing, quieter yes but not old school sounding as my Kenmore and the TC5. I guess the only thing that I did liked better about it was that as it was filling up, the tub slightly spun every 10 seconds I believe.
Alex, you did mention back in June 2021 the rumor of a SQ TC7 type of product. I wonder if this will cause SQ to atually turn that rumor into reality.
panasonicvac
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Yes that's right. From my understanding, I heard that it needed to get passed through the pentagon so I don't know if SQ is still fighting for it to get approved or if it had already gotten rejected. I'm not sure.
ryner1988
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Speed Queen TC7
Would be an amazing washer if it was a TC5 with a TR7 control panel. I would absolutely do whatever I had to do to buy that machine.
If the Maytag commercial with water levels can get approved I don't see why this SQ would have trouble. Seems like both machines would use the same-ish amount of water.
Ryne
Would be an amazing washer if it was a TC5 with a TR7 control panel. I would absolutely do whatever I had to do to buy that machine.
If the Maytag commercial with water levels can get approved I don't see why this SQ would have trouble. Seems like both machines would use the same-ish amount of water.
Ryne
pinkpower4
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I found a link for the Maytag mvwp585gw
It says out of stock at Lowes, but the price shows $1,854??? You've got to be kidding me. It has pictures. It looks a lot like the Maytag mvwp575gw with the black console panel and white body, but has an additional button on the left for water selection. The knobs look gray. The text is more on the side then around the knob.
It is likely the dryer will outlast the washer, would be nice if they made the new model match with the older dryer.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Maytag/5014069815
It says out of stock at Lowes, but the price shows $1,854??? You've got to be kidding me. It has pictures. It looks a lot like the Maytag mvwp575gw with the black console panel and white body, but has an additional button on the left for water selection. The knobs look gray. The text is more on the side then around the knob.
It is likely the dryer will outlast the washer, would be nice if they made the new model match with the older dryer.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Maytag/5014069815
I"m seeng conficting photos with what appears one with a tub that's stainless steel and others with the tub appearing to be white porcelain.
Indeed
Same on the Whirlpool Digital Library page. The white tub's agitator also lacks the softener dispenser.
Same on the Whirlpool Digital Library page. The white tub's agitator also lacks the softener dispenser.
vacerator
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No Love lost losing
the VMV's.
the VMV's.
maytaga806
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Consumer reports is extremely biased and ridiculous, they would probably say the TR series sq cleans better than any machine ever made so that’s no surprise, they aren’t honest at all and I’ve never trusted them before. I wish they would just cut the BS and refuse to make HE machines and go back to direct drives with all mechanical controls, I could care less what the government says because if their so worried about water usage then why are they allowing these huge huge Maytag commercial VMW models to fill to the brim and other new machines with huge tubs that full at least halfway? That’s not conserving water or energy if that’s what their so worried about, it just doesn’t make any sense to me because a big part of tbe country is still using good old fashioned direct drives or other machines, they can’t force everyone to an HE so why are they even trying still? They’ve been selling these VMW machines which is the exact same size as a DD and fills too the top, so why is it we have to have belt driven terrible sounding machines why can’t we have the direct drives if you guys just make the same thing with a different power house? Not one bit of it ever makes any sense at all. HE was the biggest corruption to ever hit the washer industry and they don’t save energy nor water as they proclaim upon the alter. It’s ridiculous and I’ve had more than enough of this stuff, just cut the utter nonsense and make your long lost customers happy again. That will never happen and I cannot imagine how much worse these machines will get if they’ve become this bad in just a decade, it has been nice seeing them try but it’s not enough, the government needs to stay out of it and stop trying to control everyone’s lives so much. Im very shocked there hasn’t been a ban against old direct drives or speed queens or Maytags still being used in households since they hate classic technology so much. This is terrible they are getting rid of those machines, they were the best Whirlpool made current washer they offered and now there will be nothing to clean laundry other than TC5 SQ models and front loaders.
only getting worse
From what I can tell, it will be only getting worse. Wait until they get rid of the tc5 altogether.
From what I can tell, it will be only getting worse. Wait until they get rid of the tc5 altogether.
pierreandreply4
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back in 2021
back in 2021 when shoping for new washer dryer i suggested to my mom that we look at the speed queen huebsch washer series she said they where to costly, i am the one that do the laundry in the house for 2 myself and my mom even do i explain to my mom that no matter the cycle chosen on the maytag washer we now have she thinks it takes to long to wash and since it was purchuse in 2021 the big question i ask myself is how long will they last since having this set 2021 had to have the electric outlet the washer is plug in replace then a month later was the dryer electric power outlet plus power cord and termal fuse inside the dryer (maytag tech) huebsch speed queen might be more costly in term of price but they are of better quality but keepong them in note because the curent washer is a vmw model but i know its not the machine thats defective but if i have to rely on hot or warm water it cause the house pluming to bang when it mix hot cold water even do its not reccomended to resolve the issue i have set it to tap cold water wash rinse cold water back in 2021 we should of gone with speed queen huebsch i even question my self if sometime use vintage washer are not the better choice last 2 pics as refrence
back in 2021 when shoping for new washer dryer i suggested to my mom that we look at the speed queen huebsch washer series she said they where to costly, i am the one that do the laundry in the house for 2 myself and my mom even do i explain to my mom that no matter the cycle chosen on the maytag washer we now have she thinks it takes to long to wash and since it was purchuse in 2021 the big question i ask myself is how long will they last since having this set 2021 had to have the electric outlet the washer is plug in replace then a month later was the dryer electric power outlet plus power cord and termal fuse inside the dryer (maytag tech) huebsch speed queen might be more costly in term of price but they are of better quality but keepong them in note because the curent washer is a vmw model but i know its not the machine thats defective but if i have to rely on hot or warm water it cause the house pluming to bang when it mix hot cold water even do its not reccomended to resolve the issue i have set it to tap cold water wash rinse cold water back in 2021 we should of gone with speed queen huebsch i even question my self if sometime use vintage washer are not the better choice last 2 pics as refrence
pinkpower4
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MVWP585GW water temp and water usage
Reply #46 - $1854. This must have been the Canadian price?
Go to Lowes website and specifically type in the model number, wvwp585gw. You can get additional info on this washer. The manual seems very specific that cold is added to hot to save energy. I've attached a photo from the user manual. I'm getting really irritated. There needs to be a tap hot for whites!
On the 575 model that I have from 2018, it alternates between hot and cold for deepwater cycles as required when warm, cool*, and cold* is chosen. [*Even with cold or cool, enough hot is added to ensure detergent dissolves.] If you turn off cold and cold is requested, the washer will just hum and spin. This is what happens in deepwater cycles when choosing anything other than hot or on the Normal cycle where hot is luke warm and warm is cool. If it's letting cool in while hot is running, then I am not seeing it. To the best of my knowledge the 575 has tap hot for the deepwater cycles at least when the water heater is set for 120 but seems to work above that too. I have tested the temp, tried turning cold off when hot is selected for deepwater cycle, etc. I'm getting the same readings. To get the most accurate test, force your water heater to turn on and heat. My hot water is colder in the morning when I haven't been using it and hotter after it has finished filling up and reheating it. Keep in mind the water sitting in the pipes will be cooler, will be cooled as it falls through the air into the tub, and will be cooled some by the tub/clothes temp. The 585 models certainly seems like it may add cold.
In some ways the automatic temp sensor can be helpful because it does add some hot to cold and cool washes to at least ensure detergent dissolves. It also means other temps should be within a certain range. However, there needs to be a tap hot. I am all for saving money where I can. I haven't noticed a difference when using cool rather than warm for office wear. But whites needs tap hot.
I'll be curious what the initial reviewers find.
I also found how many gallons of water are used for low, medium, high, and deepwater. A photo is attached.
One thing I forgot to mention is that I can change to a different cycle on the SQ TC5 without draining the water and starting all over again.
Reply #46 - $1854. This must have been the Canadian price?
Go to Lowes website and specifically type in the model number, wvwp585gw. You can get additional info on this washer. The manual seems very specific that cold is added to hot to save energy. I've attached a photo from the user manual. I'm getting really irritated. There needs to be a tap hot for whites!
On the 575 model that I have from 2018, it alternates between hot and cold for deepwater cycles as required when warm, cool*, and cold* is chosen. [*Even with cold or cool, enough hot is added to ensure detergent dissolves.] If you turn off cold and cold is requested, the washer will just hum and spin. This is what happens in deepwater cycles when choosing anything other than hot or on the Normal cycle where hot is luke warm and warm is cool. If it's letting cool in while hot is running, then I am not seeing it. To the best of my knowledge the 575 has tap hot for the deepwater cycles at least when the water heater is set for 120 but seems to work above that too. I have tested the temp, tried turning cold off when hot is selected for deepwater cycle, etc. I'm getting the same readings. To get the most accurate test, force your water heater to turn on and heat. My hot water is colder in the morning when I haven't been using it and hotter after it has finished filling up and reheating it. Keep in mind the water sitting in the pipes will be cooler, will be cooled as it falls through the air into the tub, and will be cooled some by the tub/clothes temp. The 585 models certainly seems like it may add cold.
In some ways the automatic temp sensor can be helpful because it does add some hot to cold and cool washes to at least ensure detergent dissolves. It also means other temps should be within a certain range. However, there needs to be a tap hot. I am all for saving money where I can. I haven't noticed a difference when using cool rather than warm for office wear. But whites needs tap hot.
I'll be curious what the initial reviewers find.
I also found how many gallons of water are used for low, medium, high, and deepwater. A photo is attached.
One thing I forgot to mention is that I can change to a different cycle on the SQ TC5 without draining the water and starting all over again.
What a cluster f...
No temperature ratings for any selection.
Cold water added to "Hot" (WTF?)
Cold water added to "Warm" (Another WTF?)
No temp rating for "Cool"
Warm water added to Cold if incoming temp is below 50F (should be 75F)
This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water.
No thanks!
No temperature ratings for any selection.
Cold water added to "Hot" (WTF?)
Cold water added to "Warm" (Another WTF?)
No temp rating for "Cool"
Warm water added to Cold if incoming temp is below 50F (should be 75F)
This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water.
No thanks!
pinkpower4
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mvwp585gw....tap hot workaround. Also, Ryne, read this one.
Reply #53. I made a typo in the post. Model is mvwp585gw .
Ryne, I don't know what screen reader you use to test this with. I hope this helps.
Here is the text in the photo that shows the cycles and wash temperature.
It's set up in a table format with temperature in first column and fabric information in the second column. To avoid the table format, the wash temp info will be followed by the recommended fabric.
Hot
Some cold water is added to save energy. This will be cooler than your hot water heater setting.
Whites and pastels
Durable garments Heavy soils.
Warm
Some cold water will be added, so this will be cooler than what your previous washer provided.
Bright colors
Moderate-to-light soils.
Cool
Warm water may be added to assist in soil removal and to help dissolve detergents.
Colors that bleed or fade
Light soils
Cold
This is the temperature from your faucet. If your tap cold water is less than
50°F (10°C), warm water may be added to assist in soil removal and help dissolve detergent.
Dark colors that bleed or fade
Light soils
Here is the text in the photo that show the water level cycles:
WATER LEVEL
LOW
The Low setting is recommended for small loads, approximately 1/3 capacity with a water level of 8 gallons.
MEDIUM
The Medium setting is recommended for medium loads, approximately 1/2 capacity with a water level of
12 gallons.
HIGH
The High setting is recommended for large loads, approximately 3/4 capacity with a water level of 18 gallons.
DEEP WATER
The Deep Water is recommended for extra-large loads, approximately full capacity with a water level of 24 gallons.
The tap cold setting will allow one to use a y-hose and some valves (I've been using Dramm) to control your wash temp at the faucet for the mvwp575gw (note: I tested it using the recommended setup). I had to do that because I have more smaller loads now and don't want to waste water. After the washer fills, I have to remember to turn it back to the desired rinse temp. With the eco cycle, it's not really that big of deal as much water is not used, so I don't care if it's a warm or cold spray. Anyway, I turn water off and unplug washer when not actually being used. It's a big risk as those Dramm valves aren't made for this, and many are tested with cold water only. The levers on those "garden hose" valves can be weak points too.
I guess they include tap cold that for places that only have cold water. It likely is the only cycle that does require a reading from the thermistor. So there's this option for some, but it's not user friendly, requires more hands on, and involves flood risks!
Another option is to fill it with hot from another source if available. You will need to start the cycle, pause, fill manually, unpause...
"This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water." This is how the 575 operates and probably how the 585 will operate :-( .
What makes no sense at all is why they cool down hot water temp on many of the front loads too because they use a lot less water.
I still think the mvwp575gw would be my overall second choice even with the water levels.
It was a stretch, but I am glad I have the TC5 even though it only has two water levels. If you want perfect wash, use the Delicate or Permanent press. It's gentle BUT I still have more agitation when needed. Also, I am getting older. It's more difficult to do repairs due to back issues and eyesight.
Can't wait until this new model can be tested.
Reply #53. I made a typo in the post. Model is mvwp585gw .
Ryne, I don't know what screen reader you use to test this with. I hope this helps.
Here is the text in the photo that shows the cycles and wash temperature.
It's set up in a table format with temperature in first column and fabric information in the second column. To avoid the table format, the wash temp info will be followed by the recommended fabric.
Hot
Some cold water is added to save energy. This will be cooler than your hot water heater setting.
Whites and pastels
Durable garments Heavy soils.
Warm
Some cold water will be added, so this will be cooler than what your previous washer provided.
Bright colors
Moderate-to-light soils.
Cool
Warm water may be added to assist in soil removal and to help dissolve detergents.
Colors that bleed or fade
Light soils
Cold
This is the temperature from your faucet. If your tap cold water is less than
50°F (10°C), warm water may be added to assist in soil removal and help dissolve detergent.
Dark colors that bleed or fade
Light soils
Here is the text in the photo that show the water level cycles:
WATER LEVEL
LOW
The Low setting is recommended for small loads, approximately 1/3 capacity with a water level of 8 gallons.
MEDIUM
The Medium setting is recommended for medium loads, approximately 1/2 capacity with a water level of
12 gallons.
HIGH
The High setting is recommended for large loads, approximately 3/4 capacity with a water level of 18 gallons.
DEEP WATER
The Deep Water is recommended for extra-large loads, approximately full capacity with a water level of 24 gallons.
The tap cold setting will allow one to use a y-hose and some valves (I've been using Dramm) to control your wash temp at the faucet for the mvwp575gw (note: I tested it using the recommended setup). I had to do that because I have more smaller loads now and don't want to waste water. After the washer fills, I have to remember to turn it back to the desired rinse temp. With the eco cycle, it's not really that big of deal as much water is not used, so I don't care if it's a warm or cold spray. Anyway, I turn water off and unplug washer when not actually being used. It's a big risk as those Dramm valves aren't made for this, and many are tested with cold water only. The levers on those "garden hose" valves can be weak points too.
I guess they include tap cold that for places that only have cold water. It likely is the only cycle that does require a reading from the thermistor. So there's this option for some, but it's not user friendly, requires more hands on, and involves flood risks!
Another option is to fill it with hot from another source if available. You will need to start the cycle, pause, fill manually, unpause...
"This system probably alternates hot and cold water rather than putting out a stable temperature meaning your cold/dark items under the fill flume will get flashed with hot water." This is how the 575 operates and probably how the 585 will operate :-( .
What makes no sense at all is why they cool down hot water temp on many of the front loads too because they use a lot less water.
I still think the mvwp575gw would be my overall second choice even with the water levels.
It was a stretch, but I am glad I have the TC5 even though it only has two water levels. If you want perfect wash, use the Delicate or Permanent press. It's gentle BUT I still have more agitation when needed. Also, I am getting older. It's more difficult to do repairs due to back issues and eyesight.
Can't wait until this new model can be tested.
pinkpower4
Well-known member
Correction. Sorry.
I meant the mvwp585gw (like the mvwp575gw) would still be my overall second choice even though I prefer the dual action agitator and even though the 585 now has more water level options. It's still my top pick for cleaning performance. The difference in price and my ability to repair the appliance are two key factors that would weigh heavy in my final decision.
TC5 is still my overall top pick if I had to choose just one. It still has good cleaning performance, more durable, better built (transmission, suspension, maybe electronics), and still has different wash cycle options for the half-size loads. In the real world, most people can only choose one. I personally would prefer to use the space the second washer takes up for something else. I don't plan on repairing the Maytag when it breaks, but I don't think I will scrap it either (storage, just in case).
I meant the mvwp585gw (like the mvwp575gw) would still be my overall second choice even though I prefer the dual action agitator and even though the 585 now has more water level options. It's still my top pick for cleaning performance. The difference in price and my ability to repair the appliance are two key factors that would weigh heavy in my final decision.
TC5 is still my overall top pick if I had to choose just one. It still has good cleaning performance, more durable, better built (transmission, suspension, maybe electronics), and still has different wash cycle options for the half-size loads. In the real world, most people can only choose one. I personally would prefer to use the space the second washer takes up for something else. I don't plan on repairing the Maytag when it breaks, but I don't think I will scrap it either (storage, just in case).
panasonicvac
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Well that's disappointing, this new model also tempers the hot water as well. No thanks, I'd rather just buy a SQ commercial LWNE22SP115TW01 and swap out the control panel from a 9 Series.
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?78063
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?78063
new maytags
What is the drive system on the new maytag commercial units? I bet they're trash.
What is the drive system on the new maytag commercial units? I bet they're trash.
