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Carl - you might want to check back through the thread and see who it was that started the accussing and insults, then sort out your facts before you respond in such a fashion
 
No Manners

Oh do stop it, hoovermatic, please.

I have neither the time nor energy for this sort of nonsense. We are dealing with washing machines and energy efficiency here, not life or death.

I always do my best to check the facts before saying or writing anything.

Manners, I see, are missing again. I must be from a bygone age where matters mattered….
 
Once again you have got the wrong end of the stick. I started this thread about 'Energy Wasting' and merely posed the question you see at the top and after many positive and interesting comments went on to air my views on the subject of energy waste and recycling etc. I did not ask to be accused of the things that I was subsequently accused of by Nick and now you and if you think that I am not going to defend myself then you are sadly mistaken. You obviously STILL haven't read this thread properly.
 
Carl dont worry Buddy I would just not bother with this thread any more.

Any abuse thrown at me IS laughed off. Im not the child here. I simply had the guts to say what 99% of the club were thinking.

HOOVERMATIC
You obviously did not read my post of which I rightly accuse you and it still does not alter the fact you Hoovermatic DO NOT contribute to threads of a normal nature or create threads that are of a positive manner.

Ive been through the site archives, not one thread have you made that has been to share your passion of laundry appliances or any matter for the fact.

You only seem to come to life over environmental issues to create problems.

You dissapear for months and only when the mess you create from the previous time has killed off you reappear to try and create more.

WHEN FOLK OF THIS FORUM WANT TO CHANGE THEIR LAUNDRY HABITS AND WISH TO TELL THE REST OF THE GROUP THEY WILL CREATE THEIR OWN THREAD.

IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO ASK HOW MANY IF US WILL DROP OUR WASH TEMPS TO REDRESS ANY PROBLEMS CONSIDERING YOUR VINDICTIVE NATURE DEMONSTRATED ELSEWHERE ON THIS WEBSITE. of which if you notice from the original post you made, the nature of comes across as being very demanding.

Any more replies to my obsevations will not be taken to heart by myself, and generally ignored. I dont take offence to name calling, or insults in any way.

Perhaps if Hoovermatic wishes to redeem themselves to me then they may consider sharing the experience of their Hotpoint TL's or participate in another non appliance related topic.

Until then I sadly will refuse to condider whoever they, you are as here of a genuine nature.

Good day to all.

Nick
 
Redeem myself to you? I don't think so. You have far too much time on your hands Nick and need to find something more constructive to do with yourself. Perhaps enrol at the local college in a junior debating society?

I am bored of you and your childish comments and until you can contribute in an adult fashion to a very important debate I suggest you keep quiet.

I tire of this constant stifling of a global problem (energy consumption and pollution) and will confine my comments to people who have something adult and constructive to say, which, I hasten to add is 99% of the people on this forum. It is only the likes of you who bring the level of debate down. Put the toys back in your pram and move along.........
 
I'd offer cake, but

my own experiences with some folks in the UK group lead me to fear it would end up in my face.
My paws and whiskers, what is with some folks here? When I count every single "flame" or nasty (and it takes a lot for me to call something "nasty") e-mail or slap-down I have ever got in this forum it came from the UK. No exceptions. No German, Dutch, Canadian, Brazilian, Italian, US-American...
There are so many nice folks from the UK, but a few of you really look for reasons to be upset.
Lighten up folks, puh-lease?
So, Matthew, I share your joy. Tell us all about it - and don't forget to take the shipping bolts off...I forgot those once and had to replace the customer's (stainless steel) tub.
I'd be especially curious to know how the spin is set-up.
Maybe in another thread...I don't really want to read this one again.
 
mattywashboy - Whirlpool

Hi, mattywashboy. :-)

I’m interested in your new Whirlpool. :)

I know they are not necessarily the same now, but we had one and found it to be very good. We never had any problems with it. In fact, I preferred it to my Bosch.

I look forward to see your new thread on it.

Regards,

Carl
 
I love doing boil washes and speaking my mind.

I have never had a machine that could do this, let alone a window to watch the action once it is going.I even boiled one of my favorate socks once in a load of sheets by accident, it did not even shrink, I was impressed.I would never be w/o it. As for all of the other things that I had read here that seem a little meanspirited, my advice for you Hoovermatic, is get some help.I would have to agree with Nick and mirrior what he said.This is not the place to be so nasty and mean. I am apauled that someone would choose to do this here. Lighen up!!Look in the mirrior, if you do not like what you see, change the reflection. Regards, Ritchie
 
Summarise

Shall I summarise, then? :-)

1. Boil washes can be effective. Boil washes may be particularly advantageous for those with green energy or with small-scale household forms of renewal able energy – such as small wind turbines and/or solar panels on the roof. Those using ecological detergent may have to resort to higher temperatures in order to compensate for any reduction in cleaning effectiveness from using ecological detergents.

2. Low-temperature washes with a heavy duty power-based detergent can be very effective.

3. Different fabrics can be washed at different temperatures and different levels of agitation, along with different cycle times. Even rinsing can change the wash result. This can all mean differing results.

4. Different machines – from type to make – can change the wash result.

5. Different water conditions can affect the wash result. Conditions can vary by neighbourhood.

6. Manners cost nothing.

7. Life is precious – enjoy it. Stop moaning so much.
 
It's a huge problem - global energy wastage.

Doing appropriate boilwashes, isn't THAT wasteful of energy if it's done in an efficient machine that uses low water volumes.
It's not a whole lot worse than boiling a couple of kettles of water.

However, I do think that it's very important that we make sure that our machines are as energy efficient as possible.

If 30C washes do a good job, there's really no reason to do hotter washes unless you need them for a specific reason.

I rarely wash above 40C other than for bed linen once in a while at 95C to wipe out any dust mites.

Also, I use the highest spin speed possible to reduce drying times and try to line-dry as much as possible

It's posible to part-dry the clothes on the line, then throw them into the dryer for 20 mins with some bounce and they come out great.

There are loads of ways of saving energy when you're doing laundry.

However, I do think that the majority of energy wastage is not caused by washine machines / tumble dryers. It's mostly grossly inefficient buildings i.e. space heating / cooling.

I've made a few changes:
Upgraded the insulation.
Installed solar water heating (works great)
Upgraded to a good miele washer and dryer
Got the most efficient cooking appliances I could get (Induction hob [de deitrich])
Installed room thermostats in every room.

OK, it did cost quite a bit to do, but we did much of it as part of a remodel and got government grants for the solar panels.

Anyway, this year we've saved >€600 in energy bills!!!!

I get much better appliances, a more comfortable house, free hot water (most days) and have saved a fortune!

Also, we switched the power supply over to a green energy supply. i.e. all of our power is sourced from wind power. Every KWh we use, goes back into the grid as a KWh of Wind energy.

The price difference was negligable but I feel a lot better about it.
 
I agree with you there, mrx. :-)

Energy efficiency is very important, as taking a look at the environment worldwide and locally.
 
"I tire of this constant stifling of a global problem (energy consumption and pollution) and will confine my comments to people who have something adult and constructive to say, which, I hasten to add is 99% of the people on this forum. It is only the likes of you who bring the level of debate down. Put the toys back in your pram and move along........."

While I agree with this, there are a lot more things that could have an effect than changing the occasional wash cycle to a lower temperature. I find regularly soiled clothing doesn't come clean at lower than 40C, and I like to wash towels, dishcloths etc at 60 or occasionally 90C. There's some things you simply can't lower the temperature on - some people will take the advice literally and wash kids nappies at a lower temperature, that will lead to a whole host of problems.

Washing at a lower temperature may work with biological detergents, but not everyone can use them. I can't.

What about recycling, excess usage of energy from manufacturing cheaper goods that are replaced more often, stupid policies from the government (in this country and others), etc.
 
Excellent points there, dascot. :-)

The fact is that there is more to helping the environment than simply saving energy. The points you raised regarding good quality appliances that last a long time being more environmentally friendly is a very good one.

I cannot use biological products, so we have to wash at higher temperatures. We really do use the lowest possible temperature in each wash, as well as using the best programme. Also, our Miele is A+ rated for energy and A for wash performance. We also use Ecotricity as our electricity supplier, who actively build new wind turbines.
 
There are plenty of things you can do to save energy though without reducing (and sometimes even increasing) your quality of life..

I think energy efficient appliances really ought to be tax incentivised though. i.e. you get a sales tax (VAT) reduction for A rated appliances.
 
As far as saving energy---

It is sometimes big things, most of the time it is little things.In my part of the world, it is alot more simple. We have bittle dep. on cans and bottles, a small incentive to recycle.Curbside recycling, we just put in out on thur, and wamo, my part in saving energy. In my city, they recycle 59 percent of everything that is used, only LA is better, maybe San Diego. The little things add up .
 
Gizmo,

Thanks for your description on what you do to conserve energy in your home. It was an eye opener.

You say your home uses 1.5 kWH or less per day. That is amazing to me. My home typically uses about 15 kWH/day, and that in itself is a reduction of 50% from what it used when I first bought it. The baseline electric rate for may area is about 10 kWH/day. That's an indication of what is typical use here. My usage rate is a bit higher due in large part to having two fridges, a chest freezer, and a fish pond pump that must run 7x24. Almost all my lighting is CFL, and I also shut off power to "phantom load" devices when they are not in use.

Anyway, congrats for using about 10% or less of the electric power as a typical American home...
 
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