English Electric, Hoover & Rolls Repair clinic Weekend,,,,

[slowspin66]

What a stash

Mike I thought you were collecting a few bits not a factory load !!!!!!
This will keep the machines going for a while !!!!!

 

[mikeymatic]

Repair Clinic weekend

Great to see progress with those lovely machines guys.

Glad the AEG/Zanussi door catch worked out.

And all those spares .... wow !!!

Brilliant work all round.

Mike

 

[vacbear58]

I must say

I did wonder where all the spares were going to go, given that we are pretty much busting at the seams here - still Mikes patient and diligent work got everything sorted (and somewhat compressed) so it was all fitted in without too much problem.
Just as well it was sunny and dry while he was doing it, it would have been a lot harder without space to spread out

 

[sesteve]

Great work guys. What an array of bits and pieces and it's great to see that even the repair guys don't throw anything out - there's always going to be a use for what might seem to be rubbish - well that's what I keep telling myself!!

The Hotpoint top loader line up looks fabulous and glad to see all the parts stored away in the parts warehouse! I think there is a great compliment of skills there with the spreadsheets, organisation and sheer muscle power moving them all about.

S

 

[triumphdolomite]

Well done on the latest arrivals. You've done a great job fitting everything in! What can I say about that 1502, in my opinion the best looking of all the models, especially with the darker wood effect worktop. Can't wait to see it up and running. Just needs it's 'Warning Keep Hands Out Until Spinning Stops' stencilling back on the lid and it's perfect in my eyes.
Ian.

 

[anthony]

great stuff guys

i always look forward to seeing what you have all been up to .Some loverly machines there

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602

Hello Folks from Land's End!

Help, please?! Just as I early complete a complete re-build of the above machine, the timer went faulty and then after ages of struggle to remove it, the central spigot with the two large nuts started to turn round and round. Bakerlite bust and eventually, there was only one thing for it - yanking - I think is the technical term! It came off in various bits and is now a wreck! Obviously, I can't get a replacement and have scoured the net. I need advise on whether anyone knows of a timer that could be adapted to fit and wor, please?

I found one made by Zanussi that looked promising and tried to contact that company without any success. They immediately forwarded me to some site called Ask Something or other. Completely USELESS, I discovered after having paid my fiver! They knew nothing about anything!

The present Liberator had a double pole timer. If the worst can to the worst, I presume I could fit a single pole and wire all the negs together on a common rail?

I also scoured the net to try and find new door seals - without any luck and have reused having treated with some silicone spray, which will do for a while. Of course, the other problem is that it is impossible to go and look at old spares in a box anywhere today - or even to look at new rubbers to decide if anything can be modified.

Any help would be very gratefully received. This was a whim purchase having grown up in the late 50's at the age of four with the first Liberator washing machine, in Warwickshire which kept going until the 90'd when I stupidly scrapped it, no longer able to get spares (Rarespares, I remember) after it had flooded the scullery. I was a FOOL!

My e-mail is:

[email protected]

With very grateful thanks for any information and a Happy Christmas to anyone who happens upon this.

Best wishes,

Kenneth

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR WASHING MACHINE?

One more (silly) question, please?

What is the chance of ever finding another EE Liberator from the late 50's - the model which had the setting drum on the front face - to go with the Tumble Dry that I am determined to finish and have working again?

Kenneth.

 

[vacbear58]

@ Kenneth

You may be in luck if you have a look on the link below - its not cheap and a bit of a trek for you but the buyer is open to offers.

As for the washer, not impossible but not very likely. And there is a queue.

Good luck

Al

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...400242?hash=item4b89cc13f2:g:EuUAAOSwoZBf6ds8

 

[vacbear58]

Hotpoint Top Loaders

Just as a matter of interest all the top loaders shown above have all been used in the last week without any problems

 

[buryan]

Thanks for your help, but seems a shame to rob an existing EE dryer for spares, so shall get a different timer and re-wire.

Many thanks.

 

[buryan]

Anyone know of any jet-cone washers for sale - they look a fun machine - - ?!

With regards to my EE Dryer - any chance of obtaining a rubber insert for the out vent to take a flexible air hose, please?

Happy New Year to you all.

Kenneth.

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602

I wonder if I might ask your help, please and I am sorry if I am being a damned nuisance as a new-comer?!

I have bought a Hotpoint TCM 580 timer to use on my EE tumble dryer and have no idea as to where the wires go and can't find a schematic.

I have no idea whether it is single or double pole and which bayonet connection represents what. Do you by chance have any idea, please? I have no idea how the terminals are even named - after all, I trained at the Royal Academy of Music as a classical singer and later BBC Singer! - but we all have to dry clothes and presently I have two baskets full of WET ones from my new and splendid LG - splendid, now I have turned up the water control and get a 1/4 of a drum full of splishy-sploshy!

There is a stuck on label on one side saying C B A. The timer hard wiring has one (presumably neg?) linking the three middle bayonets together. Any help you can offer would be most gratefully received.

With best wishes,

Kenneth from Nearly Land's End.

 

[chestermikeuk]

English Electric

Hello Buryan, a warm welcome to AW and never a nuisance when asking for help, I dont have the manual covering that particular timer but have flagged it over to people who may be able to help.

A great dryer, very well made from an era when made to last albeit the timer but not doing to badly for 60+ years old.

Good to hear you had the washer as well, they are like hens teeth, the dryers just seem to be about all over. Do you have any pics of the washer etc ?

Ill get back to you with any help asap, Cheers for now, Mike

 

[chestermikeuk]

English Electric

Hello Buryan, Can you please take some pics of the timer you had, and from the top of the dryer the cut wires left and rating plate so we can establish the model number as there where two types of wiring loom, that way we can establish which way is best for getting you fixed up !!

Cheers, Mike

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602

Very kind of you both - don't worry about the old wiring, or indeed the old timer (which is in hundred bits!). I have bought a TCM580 timer (from a Hotpoint Aquarius, I believe) and am going to re-wire through a 4-pole contactor (or possible 2 - 2-pole contactors giving end cooling) and keep the load off this new timer, so all I need is info on which bayonet connect does what on the NEW timer.

The pic of the TCM580 is above. I might take it to bits to see if I can deduce. I rang Hotpoint and they were completely useless and as unhelpful as they can be and I can find nothing on the net. I do not know how the bayonets are named and numbered, either and there is nothing to really tell me on the timer.

Any help gratefully received.

Sadly, no phot of the old Liberator, but I kick myself now that I scrapped it 20 years ago - just because I could not get any more parts.

Best,
Kenneth.

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602

UPDATE - PLEASE THINK NO FURTHER -

TCM 580 TIMER (which I shall now use on the Liberator and put through 2 double-pole contactors):

I think I have cracked it! Found my meter and have deduced what happens - a terminal which must be for the heater comes on at the forth 'click' - briefly and at the next click - on comes the motor. All continues and at the end of the cycle, the heater goes off and the motor (with fan) stays on for, obviously, a little while and then it shuts off.

Surprised by the heater coming on first, but suppose it is to warm up??? If, when I finally get this on the machine and IF it works, I'll do a wiring diagram of the timer if anyone is interested.

Thanks for the help.

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602

TCM 580 TIMER

NO - SORRY - FAILED!

I haven't got a switching timer negative and presumably that explains the one terminal unused for which I can't seem to find a circuit anywhere - Help, please!

Best wishes,
Kenneth.

 

[chestermikeuk]

EE timer

Hello Kenneth , sorry that didn't work for you, can you take a pic of the wires that go to the timer ? We need to establish how many wires you have as there where 2 looms for that model ?

Also that timer if I remember is for a condenser dryer with terminals for the drain pump so may not be the best to use for a straightforward dryer timer etc..

Cheers for now , Mike

 

[buryan]

ENGLISH ELECTRIC LIBERATOR TUMBLE DRY 4602

Mike - thanks very much for your help.

I've stripped out un-necessary wires associated with the old timer and now I have:

Heater element wires connecting the two thermostats in series with wires going from the first element to the switch on the front to add the second element. I have presumed that the longer element comes on first and the second (shorter element is added?).

I have the (re-wired) motor wires.

I intend to put both heater and motor wires (double pole each) through 2 independent contactors energised from the timer. So the only wires I have to worry about are mains to timer and timer to motor relay and timer to heater relay. One think I do not understand is a push 'pulse' switch on the frame with a red button with two wires connected to the porcelain connector block and no wires from it going anywhere. What was it for - anu idea, please? It is not a disconnector as it comes through the back panel completely.

Ah! Condenser dryer - I see - thanks. Well, perhaps I had better start again with a different timer? The new timer is all plastic inside, but I suppose that's the only choice these days? Can you suggest something that would do the trick, please?

Many thanks,
Kenneth.