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You have to keep the difference between momentary and continuous load in mind.

A heater is usually a continuous load. From the point you turn it on through the entire run time it basicly always pulls the same power.
Resistive loads in general have that behaviour.

Motors as in washers, dryers or compressors have inductive and capacitive properties.
Thus, they have an inrush and a running current.

For example, a motor in stalled position (all magnetic field lines aling) doesn't have capacitive properties anymore. Thus the windings basicly act as a low ohm resistor and the motor draws the maximum current.

Once a motor turns itself and the system it is attached to has inertia.
It only spends a verry short time in each position, the magnetic fields are always moving through each other, so it is more of an inductive and capacitive system.
Basic law of induction: conductors and magnetic fields that move in relation to each other always induce currents in each other.
Basicly, the motor draws less power because it induces a current against the supply current in it self.

If there is no load in the machine, the drum and motor get into running state faster then when empty. Thus, that inrush current draw to start the magnetic fields and movement is verry short.
Once the machine is loaded, these inrush currents take longer to subside.

Some machines use capacitors to reduce that startup draw, but it will still be there.

That initial inrush current does not have to be labeled on home appliances as it usually is drawn for an insignificant amount of time.

The longest startup draw that comes to my mind is the early Frigidaire washers with one timer increment in start winding during spin up, but even there the current drops quickly.

House wiring has enough head room to handle those short spikes and fuses are designed to allow for them.
Fuses don't trip immediately.
You often see it here in Germany that if the ground fault interuptor trips, the relating fuses don't as it has to trigger far sooner then a fuse, even though a ground fault often means significant current draw.
A fuse only checks for to high current draw to protect against fires in overload situations.
And if you run wiring even at double its rated capacity, it often will survive without a care for several seconds.

Your converter basicly does 2 things which are entirely separate.

First it uses an step-up transformer. Transformers aren't all that expensive and hard to build and generally are verry rugged items as they are solid state.
They need an AC supply and change only the voltage, not the frequency.

Next, they turn that AC into DC.
You need a full bridge rectifier for that. That uses just 4 diodes, and those are solid state to.

The thing makeing higher current draw problematic is turning that DC back into AC.
You basicly play a fun switching game.
You dump all the DC into capacitors.
Then you switch the DC supply on and off verry fast, basicly pulse width modulating it. You slowly increase the on time, then slowly decrease it again, then switch polarity.

Every time a switch switches - be it a transistor or a physical relay - there is some energy lost in heat, proportional to the current being drawn.
Thus, the switching components heat up immensely.
They have to be cooled thus.

Up to about 250W, that is no issue, but from there on, it gets problematic and expensive.

Thus, the converter basicly has a smart fuse in it allowing current flows over the rating up to a certain degree for a verry short time.

If the overload goes on for more then a few seconds or a certain wattage is reached, it immediately cuts the power so no damage can occur.

Your machine accidentally is just below that when empty and just above that when loaded.

The worst culprits in these situations are compressors and heat pumps.
They don't even use that much energy when running,but on start up the load on the motor in them is rather big as the pressure difference between low and high pressure side is verry large.

Thus, for example, many manufacturers of inverters for solar equipment AND many fridges and even some heat pump dryers state that you can not use them with each other.
Solar panels produce DC and only DC, so you have to convert that into AC for use in the grid and your house. Same for battery storage.
While the inverter could run a fridge continuously with no issue, that verry short start up current spike is just to much for the inverter.
 
What do you mean finnish is hard? ;-)

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Finnish: And now the plural forms.....
 
@henene4

Thank you for detailed information, quite useful.

Much of it one had already knew or worked out over the years. When one has several German appliances requiring 208v-230v power and so forth, one does learn. *LOL*

All dealers in converters (voltage, frequency) that one has seen go into detail about what can and cannot be done, how to size load to match voltage requirements and so forth. They are most particular in explaining about things like air conditioners, refrigerators, washing machines and other appliances with motors that can cause huge rushes of current at initial start-up.

This particular converter is on the puny side. At only 1KvA it can give near 5amps, which clearly isn't enough to power the heaters, but thought might squeak through a wash. Again before investing serious money on something remotely appropriately sized wanted to see if the swinehund machine would actually accept such power. If it threw another EHO or whatever code demanding "pure" 50hz, it would have been sold on, and used the converter for my kaltmangel/heissmangel.

This being said since washer will operate without laundry, there must be a sweet spot in loading. That is obviously 5.5 kilos of cottons/linens simply won't work, but maybe less? Hardly seem likely to haul this machine out for just one wool jumper, but maybe when have time will see what there is to be done.

Meanwhile will simply keep one's eyes out for a converter with proper heft for the job at hand.
 
Voltage "converter"I have a HID lamp whose ballast required 208-240V I ordered a 2Kva auto transformer converter from a company "GoHz"They also have frequency converters and VFD devices.I WOULD NOT parallel convertors-get one for the power you need instead-better and safer.The one for my light is 2Kw Both the lamp ballast and converter run cool as can be.Ordered the device online-one of the few things I order that way.Came from Amazon.The converter I have can also be used to step 220-240 v to 120 v if desired.If I should get any 220V vacuums the converter I have should power them OK.The outlets for the higher voltage on the GoHz converter match most plugs.A Shuckel converter plug came with my unit.
 
Ours is GoHz as well. They do offer converters up to 4Kva, 5Kva and above, but all are very dear. Hence reason for pouncing on one for *very* little money.

They receive queries from all over world about running washing machines from 60hz to 50hz, and vice versa. Most common response is pretty much "well you can, but the converter will cost as much or more than a new washing machine".

 
Aside from the electrical drama

Have to say the AEG Lavamat toplader is a nice bit of kit.

First the thing is virtually silent during operation. All one hears are muffled sounds of sloshing water and laundry tumbling about. Spin cycles, well they are what they are but on the whole rather quiet as well.

Sadly this unit does not seem to have a feature which automatically repositions drum "right side up" after cycle is complete. Or maybe it does and haven't gotten around to noticing. Having twice having to remove wet laundry involved griping a hot and slippery wet tub, then trying to turn it so could get door flaps in proper position. Once that was done and flaps open tub remained in place.

It does seem everything is controlled off the PCB board. Swear can hear "clicks" as the board stops and reverses the drum.

Like my other Lavamat this washer does not have a cycle guarantee. It will minus out time if water heated faster than it should, only this machine shows such display at end of cycle.

A thirty minute "30c" Cottons/Normal wash cycle seemed to go well. That is unlike the other AEG it washed for set time (or so I thought), and went onto rinses. Glanced over at display while passing washer and it read around 20 or less minutes remaining. Went back about my business but when glanced over again a bit later cycle was complete and display read "0".

Ran the sums and about 14 minutes was deducted. This is not good.
 
AEG toploaders - Henrik approved

The main reason I stear TL buyers towards AEG is the detergent drawer.

There are as far as I overview only 3 major TL producers here in the EU anymore: Whirlpool corporation, Miele and AEG.

Whirlpool has this horrible detergent dispenser mounted unter the lid.
Horrible to clean, horrible to use.
Sadly, even the TLs sold by BSH here are Whirlpool sourced.

AEG has the nice detergent drawer in the back. Easy to reach, easy to clean.

Miele (of course) has a full drawer setup.

WP only sells models up to 1200rpm (or maybe 1300rpm), Miele up to 1400rpm and AEG even up to 1500rpm.

Further, AEG has TL machines with recirculation (and as of recently, even their ÖkoMix system).
AEG is basicly the only manufacturer of a close-to-no compromise TL for an acceptable price.

Though, one can not compare their durability to Miele.

However, as TLs are mostly machines used by apartment dwellers who have no other option, it is verry questionable if one even needs the machine in 20 years time.

Electrolux was basicly the best example for early gen "Fuzzy Logic" cycle optimisation.

They had something verry interesting: Fixed time-line countdowns.
At least I have never seen a machine jump across the time from these generations.
If a machine displayed 2:12 at the beginning, it would count down each minute, no matter what. It wouldn't add time, it wouldn't substract time.
HOWEVER a minute isn't a minute in the machines logic.
Each "time intervall" could be basicly anything.

So, if a load was small, the countdown would speed up. If heating was faster, the machine would speed on.
If heating took longer, the timer stalled. If balancing needed additional time, the timer would either stall or run until the spin was just cancelled.
On the dryers, if loads dried slowly, the machine would just sit before cooldwon for however long it needed.

Basicly, the machine had a timetable for each cycle and knew exactly what state it had to be in at any increment.
How long each increment was was then determined by fuzzy logic or just by plain fact.

Only some higher end machines or later iterations finally learned a true load sensing and cycle adaption that actually just cut down the displayed time.
However, they do still sometimes use stalling for heating delays or such.

On these machines, yes indeed everything is controlled via one single control board (with exceptions).
They use the EWM21 platform.

These were before the plug and play setup, so, basicly every model had its own control panel manufactured.

However, there were 2 sub-boards possible:
If the machine was a washer dryer, it had a dryer board on top that managed dryness sensing, switching the heaters, all that stuff.
If the machine had an inverter motor, it had an inverter sub board in the back bottom of the machine (though those were tchnicly EWM2500 machines then).

Machines with a brushed universal motors like yours had the motor control housed in the main PCB.
Control was pretty simple. IIRC it was a relay for reversing and a DC PWM control with tacho feedback. I think, not sure though.

Here are the links to most of the service maunals for that generation:
https://www.manualslib.com/products/Electrolux-Ewm2100-3362971.html
https://www.manualslib.com/products/Electrolux-Tc2-3357415.html

They didn't even change much after that. They seperated main PCB and UI board at some point.
So, they only produced 2 main boards as far as I know (one for brushed motors, one for inverters), then a bunch of "dumb" UI boards and the add in boards stayed basicly the same.
Configuration decided what could do what.
So they minimized cost and broadend the avaible model versions.

Your machine does have a drum positioning system.

It uses a sensor near the drum pully to determine when the drum is in top postion.
When cycles are paused, the machine allows 10sec for sucessfull positioning, at the end of a full cycle, the maximum time is 2min. Otherwise it just times out.

However, the machine does not have a drum position locking system.
Only machine that has that that I am aware of are Mieles.

Thus, if the machine had an out of balance spin and laundry stays stuck to the drum, the machine might position sucessfully, but the drum slowly drifts from position afterwards.
With wet loads, I can see that system just straight up failing.

The sensor does have a specific error code if it is broken.
More detail on that is in the service manuals I linked above.
There is a paragraph about checking the sensor as well.
 
I agree with Henrik, the AEG (and other Electrolux brands) are the best buy of the European made brands. It's a pity Bosch stopped making them, they have made decent products in the past.

My mother had a Zanker, so an AEG product with just another label on it. I noticed indeed that the automatic repostioning of the drum didn't work very well. You often needed to turn the drum yourself. The highest spinspeed (1300rpm on hers) was only achieved at the end, I haven't clocked it but it wasn't very long I'm sure.

Thomson-Brandt, once another big manufacturer went bankrupt soon after merging with Moulinex. After that the brand was sold on a few times, it's part of Cevital nowadays, a company in Algeria. Their toploaders (Brandt, Thomson, Vedette) are manufactured in Algeria nowadays.

Candy/Hoover has toploaders too, but unfortunately the company was taken over by Haier and their toploaders are made in China nowadays IIRC.
 
*Fingers Crossed Lads*

Another day, and am in for the kill.

Loaded up the toplader with two pillow slips (poly satin), and two synthetic thermal pullovers. Since none of these are cotton shan't absorb much if any water.

Set washer to "pflegeleicht", then hit start.

Waited until after machine filled before adding detergent, (am not wasting any more product in case this experiment goes like the others yesterday), and thus far she's bang on!

Washer filed a bit, did the AEG "load calculation tumble", added more water and began cycle. Waited about three minutes then stopped washer to add detergent.

So far am about ten minutes into a 1:13 hour cycle and no issues. According to meters on converter washer goes no higher than about 3.4 amps while tumbling. At the pauses things of course are nil. Power wise she's pulling nothing higher than a bit over 220v.

Guess am correct in presuming this converter doesn't have the oomph to supply proper power for a full sopping wet load of 5.5kg cottons/linens. Or likely anything else nearing such as a heavy wool blanket, vintage linen sheets or whatever.

Until one can supply a more powerful converter this will have to do; now it is just a game of deciding what loads can and cannot go. Several shirts? Maybe. Several pairs of jeans? Think not. Happily have the Miele and other AEG along with the Maytag and Hoover, so am spoiled for choice.

Will update once cycle completes. Stay tuned!
 
Oh and I was right.

All drum movements are controlled off the PCB board. There are very audible clicks as drum is stopped and restarted in reverse.

Wrong on the drum positioning. Machine does have it, as found out when stopped unit to add detergent. Could hear washer messing about attempting to align tub opening. However it was all for naught; weight of wet washing will decide if things line up or not. That is the machine *may* get the drum right, but it does not fix things into position.
 
Well that's sorted

Did another load after first (delicates), and both went without a hitch.

So now it becomes a question of finding the sweet spot; that is loads that will work for the time being.

Must say am impressed with the rinsing in this AEG toplader. Was going to activate the "extra rinse" setting, but find machine does well enough (so far) with normal profile.

In aid of clearing out whatever is festering in the pump and or getting the pong out of washer (from being shut up for so long); am trying to run many loads. Wiped down the boot and top lid seal with a bit of vinegar (and scrubbed the latter with a small brush) to get at bits of mould, and again to freshen things up. This morning after leaving lid up overnight for things to dry out, machine does smell better. Most of the pong is gone.
 
Henrik was right of course

Had long conversation with technical support and as one presumed unit is woefully undersized to cope with full motor load from washer. Will need something in the 5KVA range or above.

Converter is operating as it should; cutting itself off as means of self-protection against sudden in rush/spike in current.

Am not telling veteran appliance people on this forum something they don't already know; but for others....

Washing machine and other motors can draw sudden high in rush in current. Usually this is when under load and starting. Tech ran calculations based upon ratings for this motor (about max 350 watts at 2.8 amps when spinning) and figured out five to six times that would be needed in a converter to handle a full load. This gets you to about 12 amps or so required.

Tried again earlier today with a load of bed sheets (4lbs) and it was kaput; load too great. As machine was out and didn't want things to be a total loss did a small load of one dress shirt and three pull overs. That is going fine for now. Will bung the wet sheets into either the Miele or AEG front loader later.

So that's me for you. Until can save up for a larger converter this toplader will only see light duty. Oh well, live and learn.....
 
I’ve heard that some of these voltage/frequency converters trip immediately on overload, such as the inrush current during the split second that the motor starts turning. Others are designed to take perhaps a 150% overload for 30 seconds etc. On the other hand I believe a regular transformer will cope quite well with these very brief overloads. I did some research on these converters as I wanted to buy one but the higher power ones I saw (to cope with the inrush) cost thousands. In the end I didn’t buy one.

Have you tried running it through a regular transformer, therefore running on 60 Hz? Or just regular 208/240V 60 Hz if your apartment has it. If so, I’d be really interested to know what happens. I’m wondering if it will either work perfectly or the electronics will simply refuse to operate. All or nothing. Let us know!

As for as the lack of grounding/earthing, due to the German “Schuko” style plug being used in the “wrong” type of socket on your converter.....the converters I saw essentially acted as an isolating transformer, meaning that there was no use for grounding or a GFCI after the converter for the connected appliance. However the wiring was configurable and I don’t know how yours is set up.

Good luck! I hope you find a way to use it to its full potential!
 
Grounding

Forgot to mention; that issue was sorted: https://www.mnhomeoutlet.com/vct-electronics-vp17-euro-german-shucko-plug-to-uk-plug-adapter

Wouldn't trust the thing for pulling high wattage, but since aren't planning at this stage to use washer's heating element, will do for now.

Yes, this converter is designed to be rather sensitive; likely because it does both converter frequency and voltage.

It *might* be possible to put a variable control drive into this set-up, but am not going down that path for now. Will just wait until can get a more powerful converter.

Issue isn't voltage per se; converter's internal diagnostics confirm this; but rather pushing it beyond limitations. 1KVA works out to be around 500 or so watts IIRC; clearly not enough to power a motor that must move 3,4 or 5 kilos of heavy wet washing. Of course it just might be the choice of motor for this washer as well. It uses a universal brush; but one wonders if an inverter motor would have less issues.

However a properly sized "step-up/down" converter would have no problem handing this washer. Many have run an AEG or other European washers or even dryers in USA or elsewhere in world on such devices. My problem is the blasted PCB board won't accept 60hz power. Hence the need for this specific dual converter.

Those running washing machines in "off the grid" environments and using inverters or certain generators have same issues. The "in rush" of current by motor for tumbling and or spinning is more than the device can handle. Sometimes a washer will spin at low speeds, but as it ramps up (and pulling more power) things give out.

Such persons have same situation as myself; it can be difficult to calculate "in rush" current requirements. Those familiar with such things can do the sums and arrive at a pretty good estimate (like tech spoke with earlier). But for rest of us lay persons best estimate is sizing something twice, thrice or more maximum rated current draw.

Thing is unlike a resistive load (such as heating) which builds gradually and or if prolonged can cause a fuse or breaker to go by over heating/taxing a circuit; these in rush loads cause sudden (but short) very high spikes in power draw. Converter cannot tell what or why this is happening so just treats all such events same; shuts down.

Mind you for a device that costs thousands, it darn well had better have some sort of decent internal self protection. Can you imagine paying three thousand quid only to have a unit blow itself out first day or so in use due to an overload? [this post was last edited: 2/19/2019-19:08]
 
*Update* Of Sorts

Haven't bothered with the AEG toplader much, mostly because it is a pain to haul out the huge (and heavy) converter, hook everything up, then can only do such small loads due to under powered frequency converter.

Have a lead on a 10kva and 20kva frequency converters that are surplus to requirements. Either will supply more than enough power to run washer (including using heater), but neither have built in converters.

Would thus have to (hard) wire in 220v power, then hard wire out put to washer. Or, can simply call electrician and order up sets of power cables with proper "male" and "female" plugs and ROJ wire connections.

Other thing is both converters are huge; nearly same size as washer itself. So much for space saving.

Need to do something as that AEG toplader is sitting in cubby haunting me like a bad debt one cannot pay.
 
Unless one purchases a dual frequency & voltage converter then yes, you have to feed proper current into latter (220v, 230v, 240v, etc...) which then only swaps frequency. Of course one has to have proper power going in for a start. You cannot hope to power something drawing 3kW with a transformer rated for only 1kW.

Anything over 5kW (transformers/converters) are hard wired, hence no cords with these units. But ROJ cords will suffice in this instance since aren't pulling huge amounts of current (10kw).

Yes, voltage converters cost quite dear even for small 2kvA units. When you start going up to those sized to supply a washing machine, or anything else pulling even just 2kW -3kW things are very dear indeed.

Has been explained to one several times, but still remains confusing. It comes down to difference between kilo volt amps and kilowatts or just watts.
 

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