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This machine was a trade-in
This machine was a trade-in
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Mike -
I am almost certain I've seen "suds" on the dial or escutcheon of several non-suds machines in the past, though I can't point you to one specific one and I don't know if the parts were original. I guess you're right that Sears would not market them that way from new, but things get dicey with parts as replacements become scarce. In many many cases, parts are substituted for others to streamline stocks or keep something available.
I'll have to consult the parts site for models 110.6604911 and 6605911 and see if there are different dial part numbers....
G
I am almost certain I've seen "suds" on the dial or escutcheon of several non-suds machines in the past, though I can't point you to one specific one and I don't know if the parts were original. I guess you're right that Sears would not market them that way from new, but things get dicey with parts as replacements become scarce. In many many cases, parts are substituted for others to streamline stocks or keep something available.
I'll have to consult the parts site for models 110.6604911 and 6605911 and see if there are different dial part numbers....
G
What a beautiful find !!!
As for the Heavy duty button. Normally half way through the wash period the agitation switches from normal agitation to the medium speed agitation. It will agitate for a while on medium speed.
At approx the last 2 minutes it will switch back to normal agitation.
If you press the Heavy duty button it will stay on normal agitation for the complete wash part of the cycle and not switch over to medium speed.
At least that's how my '66 Lady K works.
As for the Heavy duty button. Normally half way through the wash period the agitation switches from normal agitation to the medium speed agitation. It will agitate for a while on medium speed.
At approx the last 2 minutes it will switch back to normal agitation.
If you press the Heavy duty button it will stay on normal agitation for the complete wash part of the cycle and not switch over to medium speed.
At least that's how my '66 Lady K works.
That's the one - yours looks better in white!
One more thing...
Actually two more things...
I just realized who's getting these and I must say Gordon you are so very deserving of these. I can't think of better hands for these to be in and congrats on such a great addition. Cheers to new finds!
The second was for Andy. What an incredible guy you are for doing this for someone else in this club. This is the reason I joined this group and it really makes me proud that people do things like this for each other. I've certainly never forgotten the things that people like Patrick (Pdub), MikeyD, and several others have unselfishly done for me. It's just amazing and I hope it always continues. I certainly will do my very best for someone if they ever find they need my help in getting something.
Group HUGS!!!
Jon
Actually two more things...
I just realized who's getting these and I must say Gordon you are so very deserving of these. I can't think of better hands for these to be in and congrats on such a great addition. Cheers to new finds!
The second was for Andy. What an incredible guy you are for doing this for someone else in this club. This is the reason I joined this group and it really makes me proud that people do things like this for each other. I've certainly never forgotten the things that people like Patrick (Pdub), MikeyD, and several others have unselfishly done for me. It's just amazing and I hope it always continues. I certainly will do my very best for someone if they ever find they need my help in getting something.
Group HUGS!!!
Jon
aldspinboy
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Hey Andy that's an incredible looking pair very nice !
I believe Fred got this washer several weeks ago for Robert and can't wait to see how it is turning out for them.
Roto -flex agitator Gordon i believe you said that this agitator was scary or weird to you why ?
I use to go in this garage after school and they had a kenmore in there and i use to watch it wash in the 70's it had a roto-flex in the machine i thought it was so cool with no base and the way it spreads the clothes while rolling them over.
I like them never seen any other like it.
I will be getting this one out of the machine that is trapped in a basement and pretty happy to get it hopefully everything well work out.
Gordon congratulations on the kenmore pair !
Andy thanks for bringing nice machines to people here.
Here is the agitator Roto-Flex.
I believe Fred got this washer several weeks ago for Robert and can't wait to see how it is turning out for them.
Roto -flex agitator Gordon i believe you said that this agitator was scary or weird to you why ?
I use to go in this garage after school and they had a kenmore in there and i use to watch it wash in the 70's it had a roto-flex in the machine i thought it was so cool with no base and the way it spreads the clothes while rolling them over.
I like them never seen any other like it.
I will be getting this one out of the machine that is trapped in a basement and pretty happy to get it hopefully everything well work out.
Gordon congratulations on the kenmore pair !
Andy thanks for bringing nice machines to people here.
Here is the agitator Roto-Flex.
Hi Jon -
I love group HUGS....
Thanks for the VERY kind words, which I very much appreciate.
I wanted to answer something on the dryer for you. I have not had a lot of experience with these, but you set the dial at a dryness level you want, select air or heat, and let the machine do it's thing. It's all run by moisture sensors and the dryer doesn't have a true powered timer. The timer dial doesn't move and you never have to re-set it.
The dryer has Soft Heat, which has on and off been a big marketing item for Sears, where heat is on full or high initially when clothes are wet, and as they dry, the heat shifts lower to prevent shrinkage and over-drying. This is their answer to Perm Press for these models. The '63 and '64 Lady K machines had thermostatically controlled automatic cycles, and if I am not mistaken, the '65 was the first with moisture sensing strips in the drum and the "set it and forget it" timer that never needs to be reset unless you change the dryness level you want.
As to the Soft Heat - that has been available in various models - thermostatic Fabric Masters, the Electronic Sensor timered dryers, and the fully integrated non-timer models. In the year I bought mine, Soft Heat was $10 more for the same dryer with vs. without it.
Gordon
I love group HUGS....
Thanks for the VERY kind words, which I very much appreciate.
I wanted to answer something on the dryer for you. I have not had a lot of experience with these, but you set the dial at a dryness level you want, select air or heat, and let the machine do it's thing. It's all run by moisture sensors and the dryer doesn't have a true powered timer. The timer dial doesn't move and you never have to re-set it.
The dryer has Soft Heat, which has on and off been a big marketing item for Sears, where heat is on full or high initially when clothes are wet, and as they dry, the heat shifts lower to prevent shrinkage and over-drying. This is their answer to Perm Press for these models. The '63 and '64 Lady K machines had thermostatically controlled automatic cycles, and if I am not mistaken, the '65 was the first with moisture sensing strips in the drum and the "set it and forget it" timer that never needs to be reset unless you change the dryness level you want.
As to the Soft Heat - that has been available in various models - thermostatic Fabric Masters, the Electronic Sensor timered dryers, and the fully integrated non-timer models. In the year I bought mine, Soft Heat was $10 more for the same dryer with vs. without it.
Gordon
A ocuple of things
Enzyme soak may have debuted first on the LK, but our 1970/1971 800 had the Enzyme Soak. Also, ours wasn't a suds return model, but there were a couple of notches on the timer between the end of the Knits/Delicate cycle and the beginning of the Enzyme Soak cycle where the machine would agitate on gentle. That was also the case for our 1964 Norge15 (between the end of the wash and beginning of the soak cycle). The heavy duty button essentially "killed" the shift from normal to slow agitation at the 4 or 6 minute mark on the Perm Press & Normal cycles. There's been discussion here before regarding this RotoFlex (aka Spank your clothes clean) agitator. they could be somewhat rough on items. So the shift to gentle was a compromise. Whirlpool still had this auto shift in their machines but Kenmores had pretty much done away with this feature by 1964 or 1965. Friends had a 1965 or 1966 800 model (like the Turq. ones Rickr has) and it didn't do that "shift" on W'n'W/Perm Press. And this 900 above did that shift on both Perm Presss & Normal cycles.
Enzyme soak may have debuted first on the LK, but our 1970/1971 800 had the Enzyme Soak. Also, ours wasn't a suds return model, but there were a couple of notches on the timer between the end of the Knits/Delicate cycle and the beginning of the Enzyme Soak cycle where the machine would agitate on gentle. That was also the case for our 1964 Norge15 (between the end of the wash and beginning of the soak cycle). The heavy duty button essentially "killed" the shift from normal to slow agitation at the 4 or 6 minute mark on the Perm Press & Normal cycles. There's been discussion here before regarding this RotoFlex (aka Spank your clothes clean) agitator. they could be somewhat rough on items. So the shift to gentle was a compromise. Whirlpool still had this auto shift in their machines but Kenmores had pretty much done away with this feature by 1964 or 1965. Friends had a 1965 or 1966 800 model (like the Turq. ones Rickr has) and it didn't do that "shift" on W'n'W/Perm Press. And this 900 above did that shift on both Perm Presss & Normal cycles.
Oh and Andy, thanks for your thoughfulness and eye in saving this beautiful pair. I'm thrilled Gordon is getting these!!!
aldspinboy
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Gordon my neighbor had these in this color in the 70's, and it had a Roto- Swirl in it and then they had a repair guy and he put in a white surgilator in the machine, i was devastated lol.
Her kids laughed at me when i watched it, but there mother loved me Mrs. lewis bless her.
There was a commercial with old lady's in it i swore i saw this pair in the ad.
Darren k.
Her kids laughed at me when i watched it, but there mother loved me Mrs. lewis bless her.
There was a commercial with old lady's in it i swore i saw this pair in the ad.
Darren k.
Andrew, This isa beautiful set. It still has the measuring cup on the agitatio. Surprising. Back then Kenmores had that nice whoo hoo sound. We had some friends who had that same washer in their kitchen and we would sit around the kitchen table playing cards and I would listen to the machine. I can't wait to see the video. Dano
frontaloadotmy
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Andrew You're a Veritable Collectibles Magnet!
Beautiful Kenmores!
Beautiful Kenmores!
.thrilled Gordon is getting these!....
Ditto! Would love to visit to be a part of the 'Carolinas' wash-in
Ditto! Would love to visit to be a part of the 'Carolinas' wash-in
redcarpetdrew
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Spare time + idle hands + noisy dryer = not good for Gordon
While the new video processes, I'm noticing that the dryer really is kinda noisy. It absolutely rubs me the wrong way to hear something mechanical cry out in pain when I can do something about it... Sssoooo... Guess what I did?
Scrungy...
While the new video processes, I'm noticing that the dryer really is kinda noisy. It absolutely rubs me the wrong way to hear something mechanical cry out in pain when I can do something about it... Sssoooo... Guess what I did?
Scrungy...
redcarpetdrew
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Might as well fix it now as the trip charge and call to NC i
I wonder what could be wrong with this roller?!?
I wonder what could be wrong with this roller?!?
redcarpetdrew
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All better!
After a clean out and new rollers, idler and belt, I'm thinking this is starting to sound pretty good...
Dang it, Gordon! You'd better get these kids out of my reach and FAST before I fix them enough that I'm starting to like them a little more than I should! I'm thinking something along the lines of 'coveting thy friend's washer and dryer'... LOL!!!
RCD
After a clean out and new rollers, idler and belt, I'm thinking this is starting to sound pretty good...
Dang it, Gordon! You'd better get these kids out of my reach and FAST before I fix them enough that I'm starting to like them a little more than I should! I'm thinking something along the lines of 'coveting thy friend's washer and dryer'... LOL!!!
RCD
chaskelljr2
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@ Jons1077
(Your Quote): "I noticed that this model washer differs in a couple of different ways from my 1970 version. I see there's no enzyme soak cycle. I guess this was just prior to the enzyme soak craze. This one must also be a suds-savor model. Is that notch just before the pre-wash on the timer for suds? Also one of the buttons (button next to the 2nd rinse) says "Heavy Duty". What does that button do? This machine is also 3-speeds! I always thought only the lady kenmores had the 3rd speed. Apparently at some point #2 also had it."
(My Observation): After you had made mention about the third speed on this machine, I had to scroll back up and look at that lid again, and sure enough, this is 3-Speed Washer alright. I am like you, I thought that the 3-Speed Motors that were being produced at that time were reserved only for the Lady Kenmores??? Being that this is a 3-Speed Washer also, but not a Lady Kenmore proves to be interesting. That's a mystery to me as well. A #2 "Piano-Key" Kenmore???? With a 3-Speed Motor??? That's a first one to me as well. Basically then, these are Lady Kenmores without the "Lady" designation on the nameplate.
I'm kind of thinking that these had to be 1966-67 Lady Kenmores during the era in which they were out. And then when the newer, taller console Lady Kenmores came out in 1968, they went with the Vari-Flex Agitator in THAT model, but not in this model, which is also strange, considering that I have found Vari-Flex Agitators inside of #2 Kenmores on two occasions. And then they just removed the Lady Kenmore Badge from these models and just demoted these to Model 900's, but left everything else intact.
I am wondering after the 1968's came out, did they reduce the price on these machines as well??? Gordon..... you want to help me out on this one???
--Charles--
(Your Quote): "I noticed that this model washer differs in a couple of different ways from my 1970 version. I see there's no enzyme soak cycle. I guess this was just prior to the enzyme soak craze. This one must also be a suds-savor model. Is that notch just before the pre-wash on the timer for suds? Also one of the buttons (button next to the 2nd rinse) says "Heavy Duty". What does that button do? This machine is also 3-speeds! I always thought only the lady kenmores had the 3rd speed. Apparently at some point #2 also had it."
(My Observation): After you had made mention about the third speed on this machine, I had to scroll back up and look at that lid again, and sure enough, this is 3-Speed Washer alright. I am like you, I thought that the 3-Speed Motors that were being produced at that time were reserved only for the Lady Kenmores??? Being that this is a 3-Speed Washer also, but not a Lady Kenmore proves to be interesting. That's a mystery to me as well. A #2 "Piano-Key" Kenmore???? With a 3-Speed Motor??? That's a first one to me as well. Basically then, these are Lady Kenmores without the "Lady" designation on the nameplate.
I'm kind of thinking that these had to be 1966-67 Lady Kenmores during the era in which they were out. And then when the newer, taller console Lady Kenmores came out in 1968, they went with the Vari-Flex Agitator in THAT model, but not in this model, which is also strange, considering that I have found Vari-Flex Agitators inside of #2 Kenmores on two occasions. And then they just removed the Lady Kenmore Badge from these models and just demoted these to Model 900's, but left everything else intact.
I am wondering after the 1968's came out, did they reduce the price on these machines as well??? Gordon..... you want to help me out on this one???
--Charles--
Jon, I think the only differences between these and the LK that was out was: The LK had the Vari-Flex. also the heavy Duty button replaces the Cold Rinse button on the LKs most likely. And it wouldn't surprise me that the LK that was out along with these did have the 30 minute enzyme soak cycle. simply because the LK was always the first model in the Kenmore line to get the latest feature. The W'n'W cycle; timed dispensers; 3-rd agitation speed; their knit cycle was a 10 minute affair with a 2 minute soak between the 10 and 6 minute marks; electronic moisture sensing; wrinkle guard; "alphabet washing" dual action agitators; I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple of those "leading line" features that debuted over the years. Except for the 10 minute knit wash, all these other features made their way down to lower-end models over the years. I blew up the control panel view first thing and when I saw the custom care button, I thought, wait a minute, these can't be 3-speed, but when I saw the lid, I knew. Was a big shock to me.
redcarpetdrew
Well-known member
Video has been reshot and uploaded!
The first go ended up getting corrupted. I reformatted the memory card and reshot the video. I think I nailed it this time. Thanks for bearing with me...
MickeyD, the title is "1968 Kenmore 900 Series Agitate & Spin"
It must be something with the work Robert is doing but I can't embed the video...
RCD
The first go ended up getting corrupted. I reformatted the memory card and reshot the video. I think I nailed it this time. Thanks for bearing with me...
MickeyD, the title is "1968 Kenmore 900 Series Agitate & Spin"
It must be something with the work Robert is doing but I can't embed the video...
RCD
Andy -
Thanks for the video!!! Perhaps I should not have, but I half expected to hear that this machine has a quiet-pak skinny belt, which it clearly doesn't. PartsDirect is down for nightly maintenance so I can't check the '66 and '68 LKs to see if they have the skiny belt, but this may be one of the differences between the Lady and the 900?
I wish I was more familiar with the '66 that I had. I could help you guys (Jon and Charles) better in figuring this machine out. I did notice earlier today that the '66 Lady and this '66 900 do have some subtle differences in timers - in fact they have entirely different generations of them. The Lady's timer is of the expected mid 60's standard frame, five digit part number sequence (87xxx), and the 900's is in the six digit 36xxxx, possibly quick disconnect, but clearly very different timers.
As to the pricing on these Charles, it's tough to say. I have only one catalog that features the '66 Ladies, and none that have the 900s. This machine should have been marginally cheaper due to the designation, and surely so by 1968 when the fancier LK came out.
I may be thinking too much here, but generally speaking, as models advance in the Kenmore hierarchy, their model numbers increase with them. The original Lady K for 1966 models is 110.6604900, as I've mentioned. Oddly, and I've only seen this a few times, three models exceed the Lady in model numbering that year, the 910, 920, and 930. The 930 is a 2-speed Roto-Swirl machine, which clearly is a rung or two down from the Lady in features - lacking two of Kenmore's prized sales features of the time - a 3-speed motor AND the Roto-Flex agitator. This machine here is a 910 (I don't remember the particulars of the 920 as it was last year that I researched it).
BUT, my point is that these three follow-on models must have been introduced AFTER the 1966 line was originally planned, or the Lady would have had the top model number. The reasons behind how this happened I'd love to know but I can't imagine that the tiny differences between the Lady and the 910 machine warrant a sales slot on the floor. I can see this machine very much as the step-down machine from the '68 Lady, but if it was introduced in 1967 or 1968, why use a '66 model number?
I wish parts direct was online, I could check a few theories, but these three follow-on 900s must have been created out of necessity for reasons that the Lady could not offer. The parts lists are usually dated - I'll check that in the morning.
As to the video, THANKS Andy, it's pretty cool. There is some definite bearing noise there just like you said, but I have to say, I LOVE fixing stuff like that where you get obvious results for your work!!
Gordon
Thanks for the video!!! Perhaps I should not have, but I half expected to hear that this machine has a quiet-pak skinny belt, which it clearly doesn't. PartsDirect is down for nightly maintenance so I can't check the '66 and '68 LKs to see if they have the skiny belt, but this may be one of the differences between the Lady and the 900?
I wish I was more familiar with the '66 that I had. I could help you guys (Jon and Charles) better in figuring this machine out. I did notice earlier today that the '66 Lady and this '66 900 do have some subtle differences in timers - in fact they have entirely different generations of them. The Lady's timer is of the expected mid 60's standard frame, five digit part number sequence (87xxx), and the 900's is in the six digit 36xxxx, possibly quick disconnect, but clearly very different timers.
As to the pricing on these Charles, it's tough to say. I have only one catalog that features the '66 Ladies, and none that have the 900s. This machine should have been marginally cheaper due to the designation, and surely so by 1968 when the fancier LK came out.
I may be thinking too much here, but generally speaking, as models advance in the Kenmore hierarchy, their model numbers increase with them. The original Lady K for 1966 models is 110.6604900, as I've mentioned. Oddly, and I've only seen this a few times, three models exceed the Lady in model numbering that year, the 910, 920, and 930. The 930 is a 2-speed Roto-Swirl machine, which clearly is a rung or two down from the Lady in features - lacking two of Kenmore's prized sales features of the time - a 3-speed motor AND the Roto-Flex agitator. This machine here is a 910 (I don't remember the particulars of the 920 as it was last year that I researched it).
BUT, my point is that these three follow-on models must have been introduced AFTER the 1966 line was originally planned, or the Lady would have had the top model number. The reasons behind how this happened I'd love to know but I can't imagine that the tiny differences between the Lady and the 910 machine warrant a sales slot on the floor. I can see this machine very much as the step-down machine from the '68 Lady, but if it was introduced in 1967 or 1968, why use a '66 model number?
I wish parts direct was online, I could check a few theories, but these three follow-on 900s must have been created out of necessity for reasons that the Lady could not offer. The parts lists are usually dated - I'll check that in the morning.
As to the video, THANKS Andy, it's pretty cool. There is some definite bearing noise there just like you said, but I have to say, I LOVE fixing stuff like that where you get obvious results for your work!!
Gordon
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