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Do you have any idea how hot these SQ dryers actually get? I'm sure my new one gets a lot hotter than my Kenmore I just replaced last month, and it certainly didn't seem lacking.

You're right, though--I was shocked by the heat of the 'normal' heat setting. And I don't miss the higher spin speed of my former front loader, either.
 
Forces during spinning

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/newtonian/centrifugal

Just a random tool off of Google, perfect for such situations as it supports a lot different metrics.

Just FYI: We here have machines with 1600rpm at drum diameters of up to 50cm (radius 25cm thus) and max rated capacitys of 8kg that I can confirm.
LG offers machines spinning at 1600rpm with up to 12kg capacity. Can't confirm its drum diameter though.

So I don't think that it is much of an issue to make 1400rpm happen with some small structural changes.
 
Just pondering how many machines self-disassemble that aren't reported and don't make the evening news. There must be others, statistically, not a global catastrophe of course, maybe handfuls more? Without injury or property damage, it would have no "hook" for the news coverage and thus hardly worth a mention in the trivia section of a neighborhood chat board.

Those owners might not report them for various reasons and just replace the machines. Out of warranty, self-blame, etc. I had a friend with a Samsung that flew apart while the service tech was standing in front of it diagnosing a strange noise. It was replaced under extended warranty at just under three years old so it quite likely never made the Destruct-o-Matic stats at Samsung directly.
 
first of all.....you know the media HYPED up the hell out of what really happened....

look at the size of those ball bearings.....

I have changed my fair share of bearings, yet have not worked on a DUET, plus have just viewed a bunch of youtube vids for the Duets bearing replacement, those bearings didn't look any more larger than any other washer bearing....

does this model that apparently 'blew up' have super size bearings compared to any other machine?

I have seen machines break off from their suspension springs and struts, being able to bounce the whole mechanism and bust into the cabinet......

but in all seriousness, if the bearings broke apart, or the spider snapped, a great portion of the damage would have been to the outter drum, and by dropping out of place, the inner drum would have dragged quickly to a stop....

something doesn't quite add up....
 
Balancing ring

Martin, that is what led me to the almost certain conclusion that the balancing ring at the front of the tub failed. Maybe a foreign object burst it, or a ballbearing somehow got stuck in a deformed portion and then suddelny loosed up causing a rapid weight shift.
Further, the rear berings shattering would have to pierece a metal sheet or a plastic plate in either direction to even just escape the machine.

You should be familiar with some fluid or even movable weight based balancing system from your Neptunes.

There is a ring around the front and/or back of the drum on the outside, probably fairly sturdily bolted or clipped in.
That is basicly a hollow profile, filled weither a heavy fluid and/or ball bearings of various weights.
I think on some Neptunes the paddles were filled, but that was just weight and couldn't shift much during spinning.

The idea is that after distribution in preperation for the spin, the load in the drum itself behaves like a solid with a given distribution. No matter how high you crank the spin speed, the laundry will stay in the same place relative to the drum.
The fluid and round ball bearings however can still move inside the balance rings. They experience the same forces pressing them against the the walls of the balance rings as the laundry does towards the tub, but they can behave like a fluid and flow even under that pressure.

During the intial distribution, the movement an OOB load induces in the drum causes a force pattern that shifts the contents inside the balancing ring towards the opposite site of where the heavier parts of the load are.
That creats counterforces to the forces the load excerts.

During the extraction process, these play another role.
No load is even 100% even and simmilar, so different parts of the load extract differently. This can cause slight shiftes in weight in the load. These shifts are usually not high enough to even effect the possibility of reaching the maximum spin speed, but they might cause some more vibration at high spin speed swhich the consumer might find annoying.
Otherwise, the only way to completly compensate for these would be to distribute after each spin increment.
The balancingrings however can adapt on the fly, no matter how high the spin speed is. The distribution of the materials in them dynamicly shifts as the weight of the laundry shifts.

This also explains some of the weired behavious of some machines with such balancing rings.
If you let the machine run an empty spin, the drum might seem out of balance even though the drum is empty. This is due the balls in the rings now distributing randonly at first. As there is no force that would guide them into a correct position, they randomly distribute and thus create a possible balancing issue themselfes.
Also, some uses describe that when the machine prepares to spin or starts to ramp up, sometimes, the drum seems to shake violently at first but then quickly and suddely calms down a lot even though the washer just kept ramping up. That is the different weights in these balancing rings distributing and findig the right places to counter the bad load distribution.

One manufacturer here in the EU went to the extend to add a water tank to each baffle which is then filled with exactly the right amount of water during distribution to balance the load near perfection basicly every time.
As there is not one fixed weight used as counter-balancing, it much more accurate and flexible then balancing rings.
 
Those ball bearings are from the balance rings of this washer platform.

It’s a little unnerving because I have this washer in Maytag wear.
To which it has a slight vibration issue......
hope mines not in a fuse....
 
Vintage washing machines are terrific until a part breaks that cannot be replaced. Then, not so much. Of course they do use MUCH more water and usually spin out slower making for excessive drying time expense, but what the hey!
 
Bruce, My Maytag DG810 can dry a regular clothes in about 45 minutes, and can dry a load of towels in an hour. My Maytag A810 does not have the fastest spin speed, but it does remove a good amount of water.
 
With the demand for ever increasing drum capacities, fast spin speeds and people placing these machines in their "built the American way" houses - sometimes even on the second floor - there seems little left for manufacturers to do but to add balancing rings. I think off-balance controls are already sensitive enough and the suspension struts on US front loaders are pretty soft also.

Very, very few Euroean front loaders have balancing rings (I can only think of maybe a handful of LG and Samsung models), yet the smaller capacity and soild construction of our houses makes vibration basically a non-issue.
 
THAT is something that has been missing for quite a while with these new FL machines, being able to handle a single item....

when I had the Frigidaire Tall Tumbler, versatility was from washing a pair of single pair of pants or shirt, up to a full load with ease.....

even the Fridgemore didn't have issues....

minimal water use, one way direction washing, could balance the load and take off into a full speed spin with minimal issues.....

compared to todays machines and the playing around they do....
 
Maytag85

I know and am very aware of what an older Maytag set will do. That was what I replaced when I got new ones. The Maytag washer used much more water, but took less time to operate. But there is just no comparison to how dry the clothes are when they come out of my front loader now. It takes maybe 20 minutes tops to dry a very large load now, since they will hold about twice what my Maytag's did. That really does save a great deal of energy cost.
 
Single Item

My Duet took eight attempts to balance a single large towel.



There is currently a full playlist of YouTubers who are challenging their washers to spin a towel on the highest speed. I think the least attempts were done by Miele (vintage and brand new) with three tries and the highest number must have been around 15 attempts.

www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkEfNSu3o4jWBCvKVT9LHc56qHi3e8uQc
 

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