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Ehh

I am left feeling underwhelmed considering the following this has had for months. I do feel, however, that the "current" 2017 agitator would create a very aggressive and effective wash action. Lets just hope that can be swapped in. I almost feel like a slightly lower water level would have helped a bit as well, but I might be completely wrong.
 
Yes, first and foremost, many thanks Eugene for taking the time to make a complete-cycle video! It's obviously something we've all been chomping at the bit to see.

Now...who's going to take one for the team and purchase one of these so we can get extensive tests in all possible situations?

I want to see it take on a full capacity load using auto-fill and the Normal Eco cycle. That and probably the Delicate cycle.

Frankly, I think the biggest problem will be this: Many people loved Speed Queen because their top-loader was, for all intents and purposes, like a washer from the 1950s-70s. Will they continue to love SQ now that it is no longer reminiscent of that time period?
 
My pants would be on fire if I said anything other than my only attraction to SQ was the rugged old school machine that this new one is replacing. I love all the sounds a 210° arc machine makes (the old helical Maytags & BD Whirlpools too), and the feeling of something doing only what you tell it to, not a computer having to go through a "thinking process" and possibly trying to outsmart you.

So yeah, now that Alliance has joined everyone else in the world of machines that must "think" about what they're doing and do all sorts of turns and motions in order to operate I will certainly consider all options if I had to do it again soon. I will also rethink SQ as my go to recommendation to others as well. That F&P with the agitator is looking more appealing at this point.

I think in the end for me if I can't have my old school TLer, I'll just go with a nice FLer. Never been a fan of any kind of HE TLer or TLer without a transmission.
FLer's are without a doubt superior to transmission-less top loaders IMO.
 
Compared to my new 432,

I think this would satisfy me equally well. I haven't rigged the lid as I get no sexual thrill from watching the agitator.

I really liked the design shown in the videos by Rivas, saved those to a hard drive. I like the simplicity, even though I'm not a washer repairman. I like simple durability.

How many on here piss and moan because their vehicles have electronics driving them now? How many on here have replaced their fuel injection systems with carburetors? How many on here remember exactly how much fun those carburetors were to deal with, in the 1970's with tightening emission standards?

I just got rid of my Frigidaire Affinity FL two months ago while it was still running because no repairman could figure out how to make it consistently run through its whole cycles without stopping 50% of the time before the final rinse and spin. And yes, it had every damn circuit board replaced more than once.

Like dishwashers, electronics seem almost a contradiction in terms when one views the heat and wet environment in which they must live. However, weird nostalgia doesn't butter the toast. The issue these days seems to be, again, how much electronic construction is necessary, as opposed to toys for the younger generation.

I still question whether my beloved 1977 Filter-Flo set in avocado didn't wash as well as this new SQ 432 that I bought in October; I don't think so, it certainly got my whites white and cleaned beautifully all the clothing from a very outdoor/camping/athletic lifestyle. I don't think this new SQ dryer does a whit better than that GE BOL dryer, either. I'd love to have them back, single speed and all. But then, I'd love to have my 1951 Lincoln back that I drove in high school; I'd love to have my 1959 Isetta that I also owned then. I'd love to have the 1965 Olds 98 convertible that I owned in college, or the 1972 Buick GS convertible, or certainly the 1965 VW Beetle in white with red interior that I bought in the mid 70's with only 30K miles on it (sister totaled it in Austin on an icy street when I loaned it to her).

What still disappoints me about this site is that so many people on here are so damned pessimistic. Frankly, I avoid people who are downers in my daily life 'cause they have no real basis for it. Study after study has shown that in situations where there are good and bad outcomes, that the good outcome generally occurs around 55% of the time. So why the whining?

These people at Alliance, according to the Rivas videos, spent 3 years designing this machine. I believe they didn't design it to not wash as well. I believe they wouldn't be introducing it if it didn't, and certainly not with a 7-year warranty. They could've just kept the old machine, ditched the mech timer setup, and modified what was left to accommodate the new standards. I see no evidence that anything was done to make it cheaper to produce or less durable--which appears the case with most of its competitors.

So again--why the long face? Just 'cause it isn't the one that June Cleaver used?
 
I don't like when electronics don't do exactly what I tell them to when I tell them to. I'm actually quite a tech person but a firm believer in the KISS principle. I like my car that is all computer controlled, it does what I want it to when I tell it to. OTOH I didn't like my mothers Passat with the throttle program that was always trying to outsmart me like a crafty German would (in the name of fuel economy???), but even a crafty German engineer can't outsmart this bitch.

When the redesigned for 2015 models came out I actually jumped right in and got the electronic model, I think I was the first on AW with an AWNE model. I have zero regrets choosing the electronic model.

I can already see from the video most of what I love about my SQ is now gone in the newer model. Not to say that it won't be a good machine but the things I liked about them are just gone now. Which would leave me looking everywhere again, if I were in the market anytime soon.
 
Yeah, I'll pass.  This thing is pathetic.  The first thought that came to mind as I eyed the colored towels was the Bob and Ray routine, "Slow Talkers of America."  I scrolled down while the clip was running, and as I read through the replies, I'd go back up and check on the action.   The same two microfiber towels were lazing around on the top every time I checked.   This isn't a washer, it's a soaker.

 

I am not a dyed in the wool old-school or no-school washer aficionado.  My daily driver is a 2008 Affinity FL.  I'm open to new concepts, but this one strikes me as an epic fail.  And that moaning and groaning would drive me nuts, although it would sound great turned up loud in a Halloween haunted house scene.  This machine does give neutral drain fans something to cheer about, but the notoriously stingy spray rinse remains. 

 

Can you say "No sale?"  I knew you could.

 

Oh yeah, and that pump is waaay louder than the Chinese one I just installed on the Affinity. 
 
Your Money,

your choice. It would do a fine job on my laundry and I'd really like to have that 7-year warranty. But then, I don't have a house full of oil field workers or little kids...
 
Nut cases...

In response to a you tube comment: I highly doubt combo52, a tech with 40+ years of extensive experience and incredibly gifted in his understanding of the industry is one of those nut case for saying that these do not match up to SQ's current production. 1/4 of a sales loss it not a baseless prediction. These might do well with loose rags, but I can't see this cleaning when packed full of towels or jeans or bedding for that matter.
 
I'm wondering what's the point?  Why is SQ trying to reinvent the wheel?  The wash action is poor from what I can see - just swishing the clothes around in some water, nothing like the older models. 

 

I'd never give up my FL for that.  It would take 2, 3 or 4 times the detergent to get the same concentration I have in my FL  Sorry, not for me.
 
After seeing the video not really impressed.The agitation seems VERY lame.However this SQ machine would be BETTER than any impellor machine.At least the is SOME water in there.I don't feel this is going to be a good replacement for the traditional "old school" SQ TL washers.Just wonder when these come into the wild if customers will return them and insist on a real agitator washer.And SQ discontinuing their FL residential machines may end up being an "EOL" for SQ unless they stay with commercial-industrial equipment.
Remember a Shango066 video clip of him using an older Maytag washer(Shame on him)to "spin" a TV fastrned to the washer drum.As the tub and TV spun he threw rocks at the TV until the CRT went.Unusual EOL for a TV!
 
I can say only one thing: hahahahahah

and I say more..... Hahahahahah
and also... Hahahahahah

Thank you so much Speed Queen!

Thanks to you, dear Speed Queen, in 8 months from now I will be able to say with all the words "I've designed the only full size top load washing machine in the US that uses a decent old school water level, a decent old school temperature selector where hot means as hot as the water heater is set plus the internal heater, cold means cold with a touch of hot if the cold water is too cold, and warm means warm a bit more to the hot side, a decent agitator that simply agitates the clothes as an agitator should agitate."

And I am proud to say I give a F-word to what the efficiency tests or Bullshit Reports say about the project Long Beach.

And also saving space and being much more than a square box.

(and with a build in suds saver to make the Eco Nazi happy.)

It is big, but not a monster. You can't wash an elephant or three California King Size duvets in one load. But it can easily wash 7 pairs of XL jeans WITH A DECENT ROLLOVER.
 
Question please...

It looks like the agitator is moving independently of the tub, as if the circulations of the wash tub enable the agitator to turn on it's own.
I personally do not think the wash action is that bad,
it's just different. The clothes are moving back and forth through the water, while they may not turn over as in a traditional top load washer, I think the that laundry would come out of this machine clean. How could it not? You've got a full tub of water and detergent and the clothes are moving, how much more wash action could you get from this/
I think it will be ok, like I said just different, I am curious about the agitator moving when the tub is oscillating, the agitator must disengage from the tub!
Mike
 

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