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If the addition of auto load sensing would have solved the water usage issue, why couldn't it have been added to the old design? There are other ways to manipulate the DOE test too, though. The could have had an extra pressure hose to a fixed switch only in circuit on Normal/ECO set to a half fill. All other cycles would use the usual rotary knob pressure switch.

The existing 432 Normal/ECO cycle isn't much of a water saver anyway, having stood by the machine and paid more attention to it today, I realized that the Normal/ECO cycle must have at least a 4 minute spray rinse overall, that has to equate to at least a 1/2 fill. If they directed their fill flume better so it hit clothes at the top of the basket too, they could probably achieve better results with 1/2 the spray rinse time. If you wash in the Mini load size you probably would use more water going with Normal/ECO than letting the machine fill to Mini again.
 
Load Sensing

Through a transmission wouldn't have been possible. The transmission and older motor design had to be replaced to achieve load sensing.

Malcolm
 
Malcom, didn't Whirlpool have a load sense washer that also had a transmission?

I think the issue here is that the new regs force so little water on the Normal Eco that the conventional design is just to inadequate. Agitating a full load of clothes with only 1/14th of a tub (even on low) puts to much drag on the motor and transmission IMO.
 
If the focus is forcing water through the clothes rather than pulling the clothes through the water, what is the point of an agitub? A one piece impeller/basket like the immersion care system would offer the same effectiveness while likely using less water.

I think the designers of this machine tried to satisfy too many crowds. On one hand they're trying to retain their legacy customers that turned to them for a traditional top load washer and on the other they are trying to compete directly with Whirlpool on the gentle and eco-friendly front. The machine that covers both of these bases is the now defunct Cabrio with an agitator.

I honestly don't foresee top loaders being on the market too much longer. The only real 'traditional' options are either a bare bones VMW (acceptable), F&P WashSmart ($$$), or a GE Agipeller model (meh). Honestly I'd just buy a used direct drive if this were what I wanted.

The likes of Whirlpool Cabrio are getting better but simply cannot handle a large load with the effectiveness of a front loader. I could talk all day about how Whirlpool should bring something similar to the Calypso to the market but at the end of the day, front loaders are advantageous.

I think I read on here that Speed Queen is also refreshing its front loader lineup. I hope they offer an up to date machine that can actually compete with the big brands.
 
I was frankly underwhelmed by what I saw with the agitation in this video... I finally have found a top loader that makes the agitation of a WCI Frigidaire look great. I'd never have thought I'd live to see this day.

 

That said...I'll reserve judgment on this machine. I just won't be one of the first ones buying it, and I won't be recommending it. But then...no matter how good the agitation looks, I'd be cautious about recommending any product that is pretty much 100% all new, unproven...

 

It does occur to me that this washer might be good enough for a lot of people in today's world. My laundry is mostly about freshening, and so it might in theory work for me day to day. Then, again, it may be better having too much performance. It may not be needed day to day, but when needed, it will be appreciated.

 

The other thought, too, is that at least with long cycle times (which I think I'd heard they are using) will give enzymes in detergent time to work.

 

We'll see what happens, I guess...
 
Top loaders will remain in production for as long as people demand them.  And I don't think that demand will wane until people that have used top loaders all their lives and will ONLY user a top loader, die off. 

 

I personally don't see any reason not to go with a front loader with the demise of the last traditional agitator washer with a transmission. The VFD belt drive machines everyone makes just seem like a cheap way to pacify the people that will only use a top load machine while also satisfying DOE regulations. As far as I'm concerned, top loaders died with the outgoing SQ's. 

 

 
 
Several interesting things going on in this video, and I must say I was impressed. This machine moved the load around a lot better than I thought it would. I was expecting the actual agitation to be faster than what it is, but like someone else said, the majority of the cleaning in taking place underwater where we can't see it. I'm not sure if it was just the camera or not but man alive that pump was loud! It also seemed to have a very nice and balanced spin.

I will say for it to continue to do a full wash and rinse in that time frame is impressive. My 2 year old GE takes an hour when I select the deep rinse. I also like how the tub turns as it is filling to evenly wet everything down

That analyzation earlier hit the nail on the head, thinking of the water current and the ocean. Waves are STRONG forces and water is powerful. I'm optimistic that this design will work out in their favor, and people will have to get used to "change" even although I'm not the best at it myself.
 
New SQ TL Washer Full Cycle

Thanks For taking the time to post this Eugene.

 

This is exactly what I had already seen and expected in the SQ videos that I have seen, Basically it washes about 1/2 the load of the current machine and washes it about 1/2 as well, the amount of water being used to power soak laundry is obscene.

 

When we get one of these machines in out test shop next year we will do a SXS comparison of cleaning with identical loads, detergent and water temperature and post the results.

 

As I have said before this new machine is actually an improvement for gentleness and clothing care, BUT it uses far more water and detergent and can not possibility clean really dirty clothing as well.

 

Overall SQ did a good job, but we will now be selling these machines to a different customer, I am sure we will get far less complaints about lint with the neutral drain ,less damage complaints, less noise complaints and less out of balance and walking complaints.

 

John L.
 
Thank you for posting the video Eugene and I liked your little self-advertisement when you put in the t-shirt with your business logo.

It is immediately apparent that the wash action is different. The spinning tub does not create the vigorous toroidal movement of a traditional back and forth agitator. In this machine the clothes appear to move around randomly and out from the center. They are certainly not stationary and there is turnover, but it is clearly less dynamic. Regular agitation creates much stronger currents, especially at the bottom of the tub.

With this new low profile agitator and smooth tub walls there is little resistance against the flow of the water and clothes. Everything is pretty much moving in the same direction. If you fill a plain round bucket with water, put in a couple of rags and spin it in opposing directions, not much happens. SQ might want to re-think the tub and agitator design to put a bit more umpf in the wash.[this post was last edited: 12/15/2017-08:30]
 
It seems loud

I really can't stand the sounds it makes....i know its not as loud but god it sounds terrible. The drain is so loud.....i won't be getting one of these now....the fins on the bottom of the agitator are a deal breaker for me. i feel bad for people who have to sell this.
 
Eugene, thanks for the clarification the 'noise' level during the video of the new 2018 SQ as I thought too that it was a very noisy sound and annoying so I'm glad you say it is quiet as I am going to need to replace my current washer and need to decide if I want to take the chance on the new model SQ being the design is brand new. Can you tell me how is the extraction on this machine with heavier items like jeans? My current SQ was never really good at extraction so I was thinking of going with a washer that has a higher spin speed. Since this design is brand new and not 'proven' in many homes yet I am very shy about spending that type of money for an entirely new design. Thank you again for all the information as I have 'stalled' getting a new machine until I learn more about this one.
 
Spin speed

Bumped up to 820 rpm. Is good. Clothes come out feeling about as dry as any HE top loader.

The video (1 today, sorry) I uploaded was my worst experience so far with the new queen. Long story short, I believe it was kind of a fluke thing. My pants are lined, and during full, the washer added too much water ( if you can even believe it). My pants ended up kind of linking together due to how I loaded it. The eventually just floated to the top and didn’t get much wash action.

Due to my pants being lined, they kind of create air pockets and don’t submerge. This isn’t normally a problem on my direct drive as the corkscrew agitator pulls them down, and pushes the bubbles out.

I did the same load again on a smaller water level and it did pretty good.

My initial thoughts is that this machine isn’t as great as the last version, but it’s better than most of the competition out there. I have to do more laundry.
 
After seeing this demo I am not impressed at all with the wash action on this machine, the grey shorts never went anywhere. Thank you for posting this video! It has helped me make up my mind not to get the new SQ, will probably go with the Maytag or GE top load instead. I really liked my current SQ which is now shot, but would not pay that kind of money for a washer that cannot circulate a large load. Just my opinion but I would bet many here on our site will be disappointed to see this as well. I am not adverse to 'new' ways of washing clothes, I do like the LG top load and if a front load was an option for me which it is not, there are several that look good too, but to me I am very disappointed to see this poor wash action from SQ.
 

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