The clothes in the second video of the new 2018 Speed Queen barly moved around at all, and they were just moving back and forth and not rolling over. I don't think a lot of people are going to like the new Speed Queen design, and a lot of people may return them for something else. Local appliance dealers might loose business due to the fact that Speed Queen no longer offers a traditional top load design, and local appliance dealers were the only ones that sold a traditional top load design.
Finally the full wash video of the new 2018 Speed Queen washer
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The way around this. Import/produce washers that use as much water as you want. Provide them only to members of a specific membership club. You just can't import/make a ton and you can't sell them in a traditional retail fashion, only provide them to club members. Based on the DOE law and the way it is written this would pretty much skirt the law.
mrb627
Well-known member
Training video
Remember in the training video, they said the programming was still being tweaked. Maybe waiting for a second gen machine is best. Here are some observations...
1. There appears to be only three distinct water levels on the machine. Auto sensingjust picks one or ups to the next.
2. Presoak is now labelled Soak. Is it no longer a prewashing bath?
3. The second video was left at medium soil. Perhaps, like the WP Gentle Wash system, the agitation profile slows down towards the end of the wash phase. A longer wash phase may have started with a more aggressive profile.
Does the owners manual give any tips to loading?
Malcolm
Remember in the training video, they said the programming was still being tweaked. Maybe waiting for a second gen machine is best. Here are some observations...
1. There appears to be only three distinct water levels on the machine. Auto sensingjust picks one or ups to the next.
2. Presoak is now labelled Soak. Is it no longer a prewashing bath?
3. The second video was left at medium soil. Perhaps, like the WP Gentle Wash system, the agitation profile slows down towards the end of the wash phase. A longer wash phase may have started with a more aggressive profile.
Does the owners manual give any tips to loading?
Malcolm
Slamming brands
It is completely normal. Yes we have passion- but you need passion in order to get progress in anything. You need to feel what those millions of others will feel when it goes right or wrong. View us as professional washer critics, much like there are professional food critics.
Granted the public is the ultimate force behind any product, but I know for a fact appliance makers read AW.org. Further several members on here are actual engineers or designers of appliances while several others are very experienced service techs. All which show tremendous passion.
All in all I love being one of the many, many pro judges!
It is completely normal. Yes we have passion- but you need passion in order to get progress in anything. You need to feel what those millions of others will feel when it goes right or wrong. View us as professional washer critics, much like there are professional food critics.
Granted the public is the ultimate force behind any product, but I know for a fact appliance makers read AW.org. Further several members on here are actual engineers or designers of appliances while several others are very experienced service techs. All which show tremendous passion.
All in all I love being one of the many, many pro judges!
Dismantling video
Hey Loraine, if Speed Queen lets you, post the tech sheet. Curious about the electrical/logic/cycle aspect.
Hey Loraine, if Speed Queen lets you, post the tech sheet. Curious about the electrical/logic/cycle aspect.
toploader55
Well-known member
Thanks for spending the time to make these videos.
On the water level... It makes sense that a lower level may work better for this machine as the Beloved Frigidaire 1-18 has a better turnover with a lower water level in some cases.
On the water level... It makes sense that a lower level may work better for this machine as the Beloved Frigidaire 1-18 has a better turnover with a lower water level in some cases.
The impassioned, emotional, informative/educational, occasionally irrational posts are what makes AW the only online forum I bother with. I've checked out other (often heavily moderated) sites and found them to be dry as dust and boring as all get-out. Unlike many other topic-based websites, AW allows, through the various forums, discussion on virtually every aspect of life.
I'm an anomaly here. Although I appreciate vintage appliances, I will never own one. I don't have a collection. I have never and will never so much as change a belt on a washer, much less painstakingly restore a broken down vintage rust bucket to showroom-quality gleam. The wealth of experience, knowledge and expertise here concerning appliances among the membership is unparalleled.
While I love watching video footage of gatherings, wash-ins and conventions, I will never attend one. I drive past webmaster Robert's house when visiting friends in Minneapolis who live near him. It would never occur to me to stop by to meet him and see his collection. Yet having said all that I have been a regular for many years and can't imagine not visiting the site several times each day. In fact, AW is the only forum-based website I participate in.
I've grown to appreciate (or at least tolerate) everyone's eccentricities and idiosyncrasies, just as others tolerate mine (see the two paragraphs above). Can't imagine ever blocking anyone no matter how much I disagree with them.
Frankly, I'm quite happy the uninitiated general public might find some of our discussions head-shakingly nutty/neurotic/downright bizarre. As with Minnesota winters, it keeps out the riffraff. Well, most of it, anyway, LOL.
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I'm an anomaly here. Although I appreciate vintage appliances, I will never own one. I don't have a collection. I have never and will never so much as change a belt on a washer, much less painstakingly restore a broken down vintage rust bucket to showroom-quality gleam. The wealth of experience, knowledge and expertise here concerning appliances among the membership is unparalleled.
While I love watching video footage of gatherings, wash-ins and conventions, I will never attend one. I drive past webmaster Robert's house when visiting friends in Minneapolis who live near him. It would never occur to me to stop by to meet him and see his collection. Yet having said all that I have been a regular for many years and can't imagine not visiting the site several times each day. In fact, AW is the only forum-based website I participate in.
I've grown to appreciate (or at least tolerate) everyone's eccentricities and idiosyncrasies, just as others tolerate mine (see the two paragraphs above). Can't imagine ever blocking anyone no matter how much I disagree with them.
Frankly, I'm quite happy the uninitiated general public might find some of our discussions head-shakingly nutty/neurotic/downright bizarre. As with Minnesota winters, it keeps out the riffraff. Well, most of it, anyway, LOL.
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Robert's Collection
I would give a lot to see it in person, and use his 1-18, but its to far away for me. And I am not to thrilled about his down sizing. But in any case I think someone should give him a new in box 2017 Speed Queen as a Christmas present. He deserves it- and what a way to pass down the tradition of a future washer collector opening a new in box washers thats 40-50years old.
@frigilux, I agree and not to worry. I myself have never restored a 1-18 or something that was badly rusted, and honestly my interests are more in 80s and 90s washers and 70s-80's dishwasher rather than truly vintage stuff. Except if its a Maytag wringer, those have always had a special place in heart. Though yet again I have never restored one.
As for the general public who judges us I have learned one thing: Its best not to care what they think. We are 18+, they no longer have control. I have a bigger opinion of them then they ever could of me. As is there are many others out there (thanks to the internet) which I have discovered who have similar talents and appreciations be it cooking, trains, physics, realestate, astronomy, traffic lights, plants, ect, ect. Every single thing the general public can't live without came from people like us. What you don't think those who created the Iphone, internet, Amazon, ect didn't spend years infatuated in their ambition? Laughing and crying over obstacles and break throughs? Many professionals would be viewed as insane for being their true selves- simply because most people can not even begin to comprehend what dedication looks like.
I would give a lot to see it in person, and use his 1-18, but its to far away for me. And I am not to thrilled about his down sizing. But in any case I think someone should give him a new in box 2017 Speed Queen as a Christmas present. He deserves it- and what a way to pass down the tradition of a future washer collector opening a new in box washers thats 40-50years old.
@frigilux, I agree and not to worry. I myself have never restored a 1-18 or something that was badly rusted, and honestly my interests are more in 80s and 90s washers and 70s-80's dishwasher rather than truly vintage stuff. Except if its a Maytag wringer, those have always had a special place in heart. Though yet again I have never restored one.
As for the general public who judges us I have learned one thing: Its best not to care what they think. We are 18+, they no longer have control. I have a bigger opinion of them then they ever could of me. As is there are many others out there (thanks to the internet) which I have discovered who have similar talents and appreciations be it cooking, trains, physics, realestate, astronomy, traffic lights, plants, ect, ect. Every single thing the general public can't live without came from people like us. What you don't think those who created the Iphone, internet, Amazon, ect didn't spend years infatuated in their ambition? Laughing and crying over obstacles and break throughs? Many professionals would be viewed as insane for being their true selves- simply because most people can not even begin to comprehend what dedication looks like.
to answer Johnrk question
yes. We're all a bit daffy when it comes to appliances. Some go ga-ga over things that I would never have 1 nanosecond of interest in, others probably think, and with good reason, that I might be a couple cans short of a six pack. I mean who else lobbies on behalf of Speed Queen yet receives no financial compensation? Who else worries about whether or not Frig goes back to the dark side and starts using PODS again?
Does anyone else make a distinction between union made things and non union made things?
Where else can you go and find 2 sharply divided camps on DOE regs vs a rollback or elimination of said regs?
where else can you go and find information on detergents and real world advice on them, not sanitized lab results from CR?
Talk about free entertainment.....................!
yes. We're all a bit daffy when it comes to appliances. Some go ga-ga over things that I would never have 1 nanosecond of interest in, others probably think, and with good reason, that I might be a couple cans short of a six pack. I mean who else lobbies on behalf of Speed Queen yet receives no financial compensation? Who else worries about whether or not Frig goes back to the dark side and starts using PODS again?
Does anyone else make a distinction between union made things and non union made things?
Where else can you go and find 2 sharply divided camps on DOE regs vs a rollback or elimination of said regs?
where else can you go and find information on detergents and real world advice on them, not sanitized lab results from CR?
Talk about free entertainment.....................!
Why Not a Better Design?
I agree with reply #94 by peteski50, this design could and should have been better.
Of course that would mean that it would look obviously different, even to the casual buyer. Many people will look at the tub and agitator in the 2018 model and just assume it works like the old one. And if the lid locks, and if it cleans "well enough," maybe they will never know!
I have to wonder if this was another case of marketing over function.
I agree with reply #94 by peteski50, this design could and should have been better.
Of course that would mean that it would look obviously different, even to the casual buyer. Many people will look at the tub and agitator in the 2018 model and just assume it works like the old one. And if the lid locks, and if it cleans "well enough," maybe they will never know!
I have to wonder if this was another case of marketing over function.
speedqueen
Well-known member
I'm proud to be one of the wacky people on here. Despite my sometimes cantankerous nature around here I try not to incite arguments and be diplomatic, as do most of us here but we all can get a little(I know I'm understating it) impassioned.
No place I'd rather spend a Saturday right now than AW.
No place I'd rather spend a Saturday right now than AW.
gusherb
Well-known member
John
When a new design of any appliance, especially a washer, comes out we all tear it apart and then tear it apart six more times. That includes some pretty passionate discussion. I come here for that, even if it's topics I'm not entirely interested in it's fun to hear other people's thoughts. Though I'm quite mild compared to some, it's still very nice being able to say what I think to a group that even knows what I'm talking about. Most of my friends outside the appliance/anything related to the home hobby have no idea what I'm talking about 98% of the time.
If you haven't already figured it out, there are certain trigger words here that are like throwing a giant bag of shit into an industrial sized fan (and I say that in the most humorous lighthearted way), such as Speed Queen, or Maytag. Many of us here are very passionate about those and other brands (some with passionate disdain towards them)
When a new design of any appliance, especially a washer, comes out we all tear it apart and then tear it apart six more times. That includes some pretty passionate discussion. I come here for that, even if it's topics I'm not entirely interested in it's fun to hear other people's thoughts. Though I'm quite mild compared to some, it's still very nice being able to say what I think to a group that even knows what I'm talking about. Most of my friends outside the appliance/anything related to the home hobby have no idea what I'm talking about 98% of the time.
If you haven't already figured it out, there are certain trigger words here that are like throwing a giant bag of shit into an industrial sized fan (and I say that in the most humorous lighthearted way), such as Speed Queen, or Maytag. Many of us here are very passionate about those and other brands (some with passionate disdain towards them)
IowaBear
I think you are right, many people won't even know because of the lid lock. They'll load the clothes, let it wash. If the clothes come out pretty clean and with the amount of water it uses they'll likely come out fairly clean, most people will never have a clue. The machine looks pretty simple and will probably last a very long time.
I think you are right, many people won't even know because of the lid lock. They'll load the clothes, let it wash. If the clothes come out pretty clean and with the amount of water it uses they'll likely come out fairly clean, most people will never have a clue. The machine looks pretty simple and will probably last a very long time.
It doesn't lock during fill and agitation but action stops when opened, automatically resumes when closed (without requiring that Start be pressed).
I thought I remembered the guy in the sales video (now taken down) saying that it locked after five minutes to give customers time to add a forgotten item without the inconvenience of unlocking and re-locking.
But that it would still unlock "quickly" anytime as long as the machine was not spinning. But maybe I'm not remembering that correctly.
But that it would still unlock "quickly" anytime as long as the machine was not spinning. But maybe I'm not remembering that correctly.
New Design?!
First off, I want to say thank you Eugene for taking the time to post a video of this new machine. Times are changing, for better or for worst.. Now, I have used several kinds of washers, old and new; and everything in between. From a modern day front loader (GE) to a 'Maytag' with a washplate, to a Frigidaire Unimatic; and a Maytag A806 (daily driver). This thing is not that impressive from what I have seen. The rollover is very slow, notice it takes quite some time for the brightly colored towels to start moving into the water.
Like it or not, the top loader design is probably on it's way out the door. Although, like a few others, I am NOT impressed with anything new. That is just my observation and my opinion. My clothes get very dirty and I need a good machine to get the clothes clean. The 432 could do so, just don't see this new machine living up to expectations that Speed Queen is known for.
I also wish appliance stores would have these machines hooked up, whenever I go into an appliance store, nothing is ever hooked up. Personally, if you had people see what the machine was doing, sales would shift in different directions. Though, one could argue that you could look these up on Youtube, though not everyone has the luxury of doing that. I just wish I could go back to the 50s and 60s and bring those old water hogs back with me. The old machines are not perfect but they suit me well.
Best of luck to anyone in the market for a new machine next year.
-Tyler
First off, I want to say thank you Eugene for taking the time to post a video of this new machine. Times are changing, for better or for worst.. Now, I have used several kinds of washers, old and new; and everything in between. From a modern day front loader (GE) to a 'Maytag' with a washplate, to a Frigidaire Unimatic; and a Maytag A806 (daily driver). This thing is not that impressive from what I have seen. The rollover is very slow, notice it takes quite some time for the brightly colored towels to start moving into the water.
Like it or not, the top loader design is probably on it's way out the door. Although, like a few others, I am NOT impressed with anything new. That is just my observation and my opinion. My clothes get very dirty and I need a good machine to get the clothes clean. The 432 could do so, just don't see this new machine living up to expectations that Speed Queen is known for.
I also wish appliance stores would have these machines hooked up, whenever I go into an appliance store, nothing is ever hooked up. Personally, if you had people see what the machine was doing, sales would shift in different directions. Though, one could argue that you could look these up on Youtube, though not everyone has the luxury of doing that. I just wish I could go back to the 50s and 60s and bring those old water hogs back with me. The old machines are not perfect but they suit me well.
Best of luck to anyone in the market for a new machine next year.
-Tyler
I'll Never Understand
why English speakers can't distinguish between "its" and "it's".
Do they just not understand contractions? I was taught a half-century ago in school that if I wasn't sure about this one, simply to un-contract "it's" back to "it is". If it sounds wrong, it is wrong. This was of course for children who couldn't seem to get the possessive side of grammar at all.
why English speakers can't distinguish between "its" and "it's".
Do they just not understand contractions? I was taught a half-century ago in school that if I wasn't sure about this one, simply to un-contract "it's" back to "it is". If it sounds wrong, it is wrong. This was of course for children who couldn't seem to get the possessive side of grammar at all.
gusherb
Well-known member
Most likely phone autocorrect doing that. No need to nit pick an otherwise well worded and written post.
Oh My!
It doesn't work in the old fashioned way anymore, what a shame, they've ruined it!
It doesn't work in the old fashioned way anymore, what a shame, they've ruined it!
