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JoeyPete, your vids are great!  :-)

Presumably one can start on the Allergy cycle to fill for a load, then pause or cancel and reset to another cycle (manually select the same water level) and it'll continue along ... thus a full-hot fill could be had with a delicate-speed wash.

It'd be useful information if you could obtain one of those instant-read kitchen thermometers to check the incoming temperatures.  :-)
 
There's still one last hope...

If the people running Speed Queen, since not many washers are in stores yet, decide at the last minute to cancel the redesign after reading so many bad reviews.

This has been known to happen in the movie industry, for example, the movie Heaven's Gate was canceled at the last minute because it saved the cost of distribution, even though the movie was very expensive. There have been several movies like that in past decades. One book about bad movies I read even said: "This is one abortion even pro-lifers would agree with". Could this Speed Queen be a bad movie?
 
Eugene:

Thank you so much for taking the time to do all of those videos. I feel that your review was fair and honest. I could hear the pain in your voice and I hope that someone at Alliance heard it too. What a shame that a company who has built so many good products is letting this go to market. Thanks again.
WK78
 
Eugene, thank you for doing such thorough testing and presenting the results here.  You invested a lot of time in this, and I know you had your customers in mind even more than the curious members of AW.  I admire your highly principled approach to appliance sales and protection of your customers against purchases they would regret.

 

Perhaps Alliance can design or temporarily outsource an adaptable agitator that will salvage this disaster.  It seems to me that this would be the quickest way to improve wash action, and if they have any class at all, they should offer to retrofit them onto every machine purchased, much like a mandated recall.  Otherwise both Alliance and their retailers who push these onto customers are going to to experience an epic backlash from legions of dissatisfied buyers.

 

Regardless, they absolutely need to go back to the drawing board, and fire all involved with pushing this redesign forward when it was clearly going to be an epic failure.
 
Well, let's hope Speed Queen uses the "Just in Time" method of manufacturing so as to not have much parts inventory. That may be the only way SQ can be saved. I hope so, as "Heaven's Gate" destroyed United Artists as an independent studio and MGM bought them. After all, who would buy SQ, Whirlpool?
 
Thanks everyone.

Not much of a YouTube type so it was a learning experience. I decided to make an effort to produce more videos, perhaps more of a review style than just wash videos, but likely a mixture of both.

I purchased a much better camera, and some semi pro lighting. In doing so I applied to have my videos monetized.

I figure it takes me about a full 8 hrs or more to produce one video. A portion of that is just downloading and uploading. A great deal of it is me trying to work that video editing software. I have a lot of respect for other videos that I see on YouTube that look like a tv show. That takes a lot of time and talent.

I’m glad that you all appreciate it, it motivates me to make more/better videos.
 
joeypete:

Thanks for the info on the F&P WashSmart, which some may choose as a reasonable alternative to the 2018 Speed Queen.

If F&P allowed for "Controlled Cold" under all circumstances, then the WashSmart would be on our list. Unfortunately, the winters are too cold, here.

Right now, our Kenmore D.D. from around 1990 is beginning to look pretty good to us. Unfortunately, I had it hauled away in 2005 after the transmission failed. This was before I began working on our own appliances.

Then, we had a Whirlpool Ultimate Care II for 10 years, but it didn't seem as durable as the Kenmore. It was a Quiet Wash; and, the noisiest machine we had ever encountered. Plus, we wanted our next machine to have a stainless steel tub.

If there was a mixing valve that could control incoming cold @ around 70 degrees Fahrenheit, then we'd be perfectly happy with our SQ 92 series. Unfortunately, these valves are usually not engineered to be set, that low.

We were thinking that if the politicians had to do their own laundry, bet we wouldn't have to put up with some of this nonsense.

Thanks for your help!
 
 
Any cold fill for the wash period should be controlled-cold on the WashSmart.  Rinses are probably tap-cold instead of controlled.
 
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So did SQ use an agitator to keep their fans happy, when perhaps they would have been better off using an agitation plate design instead?
Reviewed.com blasted the performance of their TL washer and dryer as crap, but nevertheless SQ likely sold a ton of them.
Maybe they don't need to care about washing performance on their "traditional" machines...just make sure the customer thinks it's like the machines of yesteryear and ring the register.
 
Recomended Delicate cycle for jeans

I just found out that the manuals were avaible for the machines. Went ahead, downloaded them.

Especially the Speciality cycles are interesting... There is now a Delicate, a Hand Wash and a Wool cycle.
Further, you can have both Heavy Duty and Delicate as "Eco" versions.
Plus a Denim and a Water Proof cycle.
Further a Whites Cycle and a Rinse/Spin with selectable final spin speed.

What somehow confuses me though is that the manual recomends the Delicate cycle for stiffer fabrics like jeans.

Laurain Furniture in the meantime slayed the washer design for its incapibility to wash exactly such loads. There is a general review up now.
AFAIK he only tested the Heavy Duty and Bulky cycle, and did not follow the manuals recomendations.
 
The section of the manual in question

It actually recommends "Heavy Duty" for heavily soiled jeans and "Delicate" for stiff jeans. 

 

Who in the real world is going to select the delicate cycle for dirty work jeans, "stiff" or otherwise?

 

Very strange.

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Delicate cycle

Will agitate even slower than heavy duty.

Passing water through my work pants are certainly not going to get them clean, I don’t care what that manual says. During my work pants cycle I highly doubt an extra few inches of water would have helped. In fact, it likely would have made it worse due to floating.

Maybe I can save a thousand dollars and just start showering with my clothes on.
 
Just like when GM sold off Frigidaire to WCI!

I am very disappointed with this-this is like when WCI took over Frigidaire-the up-and-down agitation washers were gone! Very disheartening!
 
My Thoughts On The New SQ TL Washer

First of all thanks Eugene for all the time you put into recording and posting the videos on these washers.

 

As I already posted and predicted this machine will not turn over and wash large loads clean, no surprise here.

 

However some customers will like this new washer and it will solve a lot of the problems we see as a major servicer of SQ laundry appliances, the good points

 

It will be gentler on clothing, 

 

It will be more reliable,

 

It is quieter in operation,

 

It has much better water extraction,

 

It will have less linting complaints and less walking problems than the current machine,

 

It should be easier to repair.

 

As I predicted before SQ will lose around 25% of their TL washer sales in the coming years, possibility more.

 

This new machine will cause me as a servicer additional problems because there will be dissatisfied customers , but I lived through the 70s working for a Maytag home appliance store and we had LOTS of customers that were dissatisfied with their new MT AWsa nd we had to do a lot of reselling and teaching people how to try and get clean clothes out of their new MT when they had been washing clothing for years in their old Kenmore or just about any other brand washer and had never had any problems.

 

When we get one of these washers in the store we will post the results of a SXS cleaning test between this new machine and a few other popular washers.

 

John L.
 
@ Stricklybojack: I agree. Consumer reports and reviewed made a mockery of Speed Queen, but I think people looked the other way because its not that bad. But now that these machines have an agi tub, its almost like they saw into the future. No longer will these reviews be off or biased, sadly.

Also, it does not matter if SQ used an impeller, agitator or even a nuetator, the issue is that these washers lack a mod shifter. Something as simple as a floating tub would have helped- but no. If Agi tubs were really that great, then GE would have used them when their hydro-waves washers came out. That would have lowered cost and eliminated a few failure points- but they didn't. In fact I am willing to bet that every manufacturer has considered an agitub at some point- but was quickly scrapped early in experimental R&D. How SQ let this get so far is beyond me.
 
Very dissatisfied!

I am very dissatisfied! I was gonna have high hopes for this washer platform. No more! No way laundry detergent and fabric softener will be evenly distributed through the clothes!
I'd stick with a GE laundry pair with laundry detergent and fabric softener tanks. Speed Queen... no more!!!!
 
Strange to me...

They say resluts prove it cleans better than the old one....but how is that possible? The agitator is terrible the bottom fins are a joke. Who would in their right mind approve of this? WHO? If the tub spun faster with longer rotations and instantly reversed directions with a better agitator then maybe MAYBE it would have been semi decent. This damn thing is a joke. I predict Alliance will stop making washers for home use soon. This will be a disaster for them. Some ppl like everyone else said will buy it not knowing the difference, just like some people think buying a Fiat or Chrystler is a good idea. People are fools and they will sell some of these, but I sure as hell won't buy one. God what a dissapointment life is at times. I had high hopes. Those hopes were shit on real fast.
 
I am going to keep my current SQ alive for as long as it is economically viable. Unless SQ continue to bring out top loaders with their standard transmission -
i.e. not agitub, I will probably go for Fisher and Paykel.

To address the reply #259 - after 30 years of owning and using SQ top loaders I am relatively experienced with their washers.

They are gentle enough on clothes - only marginally less so than front loaders.

My first SQ lasted 20 years and this one has been running for 10 and without issues. So, I'd say are already pretty reliable.

My current one is noisy in comparison to other washers, but I have a dedicated laundry room in the basement. I shut the door to contain the noise.

Water extraction is fine. Most full loads take an hour to dry on gentle heat in matching SQ dryer.

I don't have linting issues and on the occasion that there is a little bit of lint, it will come off in the dryer or I use my Scotch-Brite roller. Anyway, if there is excessive lint it's my fault.

My SQs have 'NEVER'walked and they usually spin without fail. The number of times that I have had an unbalanced load in 30 years I can count on one hand.

If I were a product engineer at SQ I'd be embarrassed to put my name to their new top loaders. This is nothing short of self-sabotage.
 
I believe....

IF this machine turns out to be the flop I see it as being, Speed queen will simply stop making washing machines for home use. I predict that they will just stick to commerical washer/extractors. What a shame this is, I remember being a child of the late 80's early to mid 90's and my aunt had a maytag she still has to this very day, and this machine reminds me so much of that maytag (2017 model) I love that washer so much. This sucks so bad guys. It seems like our washer options are shittier and shittier in the US. Why can't we have washers that heat the water to the appropriate temperature, oh yeah, because of the shitty DOE. I'm convinced that Europe, although smaller than US machines have the best washers.
 

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