mistereric
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Th straight vane seems to be stripped. The tub still bangs on the brake. 
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yogitunes
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Gentlemen, we have the technology...........
Eric
what exactly are you looking for?......or rather which straight vane is the one your looking for?.....and I presume you need a tranny?
send me an email and we'll see what we can figure out!
you machine original equipment should have been a ramped activator....but anything can be changed to your liking....
Eric
what exactly are you looking for?......or rather which straight vane is the one your looking for?.....and I presume you need a tranny?
send me an email and we'll see what we can figure out!
you machine original equipment should have been a ramped activator....but anything can be changed to your liking....
applianceguy47
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"I'm wondering how healthy the beast is overall... the tub leans to one side and the gentle speed is pretty noisy. "
As for the tub leaning- Is the machine sitting level?
It could also be the suspension cable is bound up.
Or the rollers that cable is suspended from are damaged/missing.
Is the balancing block/brick in tact or there?
It could also be that one or several of the 4 arms of the undercarriage have slipped out of the brackets that are mounted on the corners.
It may be that one, or several of the black tensioners, in those brackets, is damaged or missing.
The motor not sounding right on lower speed most likely means the motor clutch will need to be maintenanced. That may require replacing some of the shoes, possibly a clutch drum, and you will need some specialized tools for that.
http://www.applianceaid.com/ge-older-style-washers.php
As for the tub leaning- Is the machine sitting level?
It could also be the suspension cable is bound up.
Or the rollers that cable is suspended from are damaged/missing.
Is the balancing block/brick in tact or there?
It could also be that one or several of the 4 arms of the undercarriage have slipped out of the brackets that are mounted on the corners.
It may be that one, or several of the black tensioners, in those brackets, is damaged or missing.
The motor not sounding right on lower speed most likely means the motor clutch will need to be maintenanced. That may require replacing some of the shoes, possibly a clutch drum, and you will need some specialized tools for that.
http://www.applianceaid.com/ge-older-style-washers.php
mistereric
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I'm not too excited about a straight vane agi. Is the wide-opening mini basket only available for the straight vane?
I'm pretty happy with the ramped agi.
As for a tranny, is that what would cause the tub to index? Or is it the brake? The machine is on level floor. Was also level at Toggles' place. Sounds like this puppy needs a going-over. I made a video:
I'm pretty happy with the ramped agi.
As for a tranny, is that what would cause the tub to index? Or is it the brake? The machine is on level floor. Was also level at Toggles' place. Sounds like this puppy needs a going-over. I made a video:
can't wait for the answers
Your FF indexes differently than mine: (watch the nibs in the clothes guard to see index action)
Yours takes 2 or 3 steps clockwise, then takes same 2 or 3 steps CCW. Overall stays within some 15 degree arc, or so.
My 78 Suds---takes one small notch clockwise every agitation stroke, slowly moves around the entire circle, very slow.
My 77 FF--I never paid any attention, it's currently out of active use.
What is the cause or cure? My suds model will be back up and running today, I'll check it again. It's minor indexing, great agitation and turnover.
Your FF indexes differently than mine: (watch the nibs in the clothes guard to see index action)
Yours takes 2 or 3 steps clockwise, then takes same 2 or 3 steps CCW. Overall stays within some 15 degree arc, or so.
My 78 Suds---takes one small notch clockwise every agitation stroke, slowly moves around the entire circle, very slow.
My 77 FF--I never paid any attention, it's currently out of active use.
What is the cause or cure? My suds model will be back up and running today, I'll check it again. It's minor indexing, great agitation and turnover.
yogitunes
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Tranny.....not a deal breaker, it will work fine with this indexing, just the banging can get on your nerves, for the most part I am gonna say its the brake, or more or less the sliding mechanism that holds the tub still is not fully engaging....I'd panic more if the tub was actually spinning while agitating....
I have a tranny that "knocks" four times when it stops spinning instead of two.....but functions fine otherwise.....
the larger mini basket is available for the ramped agitator as well....I have ramped agitators as well......
and that chattering from the clutch during gentle speed is somewhat normal....just louder than regular speed....if it chatters during normal speed, then we have a problem....
keep me posted
I have a tranny that "knocks" four times when it stops spinning instead of two.....but functions fine otherwise.....
the larger mini basket is available for the ramped agitator as well....I have ramped agitators as well......
and that chattering from the clutch during gentle speed is somewhat normal....just louder than regular speed....if it chatters during normal speed, then we have a problem....
keep me posted
oh Martin
There's so many FF threads right now I get confused. My 78 suds model is back together, the minor indexing is when full of clothes, it doesn't occur with water only. It's minor and slow, I will keep an eye on it and not worry for now.
There's so many FF threads right now I get confused. My 78 suds model is back together, the minor indexing is when full of clothes, it doesn't occur with water only. It's minor and slow, I will keep an eye on it and not worry for now.
Eric
We always knew that the banging tub was not normal, yet it has done this for 8 or so years. You could hear it in the upstairs of Stevie's old house. We never saw it as a real problem. It does have to do with the brake. I don't think it's a real issue until it becomes a real issue if you understand what I mean. As far as the straight vain. I'm surpised. The last time I was there it worked fine. Maybe the spline has loosened. I think if that 4 vain agi was in a longer stroke machine it would have worked better..
We always knew that the banging tub was not normal, yet it has done this for 8 or so years. You could hear it in the upstairs of Stevie's old house. We never saw it as a real problem. It does have to do with the brake. I don't think it's a real issue until it becomes a real issue if you understand what I mean. As far as the straight vain. I'm surpised. The last time I was there it worked fine. Maybe the spline has loosened. I think if that 4 vain agi was in a longer stroke machine it would have worked better..
doug
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Out of the blue question!
I just recently went to take my extra large capacity ramped agitator out of my ff and was going switch it out for a while for my heavy duty 18 straight vane activator. When i pulled the ramped agitator out, the spline pulled out of the agitator and is stuck on the tranny shaft. I had a couple loads of laundry to do yet so I didnt want to mess with it at that time and attempted to push the ramped agitator back onto its spline which is frozen onto the tranny shaft and the agitator would not go back down onto the spline because of the rubber on plastic contact. So I attempted to put some petroleum jelly on the spline and then push the agitator onto the spline and it worked. This theory worked for a couple more loads And then I had a big load in the washer and the agitator wouldn't agitate. My guess is that the petroleum jelly between the out side of the spline and the inside of the agitator is causing it to slip. I know the spline isn't stripped out. So before I done anything I wanted to get your all opinions. Are you suppose to use anything when installing a new spline in the agitator? And how could I get the frozen spline off the tranny shaft?
I just recently went to take my extra large capacity ramped agitator out of my ff and was going switch it out for a while for my heavy duty 18 straight vane activator. When i pulled the ramped agitator out, the spline pulled out of the agitator and is stuck on the tranny shaft. I had a couple loads of laundry to do yet so I didnt want to mess with it at that time and attempted to push the ramped agitator back onto its spline which is frozen onto the tranny shaft and the agitator would not go back down onto the spline because of the rubber on plastic contact. So I attempted to put some petroleum jelly on the spline and then push the agitator onto the spline and it worked. This theory worked for a couple more loads And then I had a big load in the washer and the agitator wouldn't agitate. My guess is that the petroleum jelly between the out side of the spline and the inside of the agitator is causing it to slip. I know the spline isn't stripped out. So before I done anything I wanted to get your all opinions. Are you suppose to use anything when installing a new spline in the agitator? And how could I get the frozen spline off the tranny shaft?
applianceguy47
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A hair dryer, rubber mallet, pin holes drilled for dripping liquid wrench into top of agitator...
for starters.
for starters.
doug
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Thanks
So do I use liquid wrench to keep the new spline in place in the agitator? And do u use the hair dryer to dry the liquid wrench? And the pin holes, the agitator has like 3 small open spaces under the cap. Would I still need to drill pin holes and if so where?
So do I use liquid wrench to keep the new spline in place in the agitator? And do u use the hair dryer to dry the liquid wrench? And the pin holes, the agitator has like 3 small open spaces under the cap. Would I still need to drill pin holes and if so where?
applianceguy47
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I was referring to the removal of...
If the agitator is stuck, and you have it connected, the first thing I would try is filling the machine all the way up with HOT water and operating, if possible. The heat and steam will help to loosen parts.
Wrap a towel around the top of the agitator and strike gently, if it still has not broken loose.
Using a hair drier, aimed at the top of the agitator will also help to warm.
You should be able to put drops of L.W. into the top of the agitator, after romoving the rubber cover. That will need time to soak into the metal.
Worse case scenario, you may need to ruin the agitator, and deal with the remaining spline. Here is where is may be necessary to drill small holes.
If the agitator is stuck, and you have it connected, the first thing I would try is filling the machine all the way up with HOT water and operating, if possible. The heat and steam will help to loosen parts.
Wrap a towel around the top of the agitator and strike gently, if it still has not broken loose.
Using a hair drier, aimed at the top of the agitator will also help to warm.
You should be able to put drops of L.W. into the top of the agitator, after romoving the rubber cover. That will need time to soak into the metal.
Worse case scenario, you may need to ruin the agitator, and deal with the remaining spline. Here is where is may be necessary to drill small holes.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think doug's problem is only the activator spline hub that is stuck on the transmission shaft spline, not the entire activator.
I had that happen on an old girlfriend's Filter Flo, and I was able to remove it with a propane torch, a pair of vicegrips clamped onto the hub stuck on the shaft, and a hammer to tap up on the vicegrips. Just make sure if you use a propane torch to heat, wrap a wet cloth around the rubber seal and keep it wet so that it doesn't get damaged.
You might also try using a flywheel puller to pull the hub off; I didn't have one that would get underneath the hub and not slip off, so I had to use the torch and vicegrips method.
I had that happen on an old girlfriend's Filter Flo, and I was able to remove it with a propane torch, a pair of vicegrips clamped onto the hub stuck on the shaft, and a hammer to tap up on the vicegrips. Just make sure if you use a propane torch to heat, wrap a wet cloth around the rubber seal and keep it wet so that it doesn't get damaged.
You might also try using a flywheel puller to pull the hub off; I didn't have one that would get underneath the hub and not slip off, so I had to use the torch and vicegrips method.
tub indexing is a sign of
worn brake pads inside the tranny. GE's will eventually wear to the point you get "sympathetic spin" , especially bad in the solid tub machines, as all the wash water gets spun out. tranny needs to be taken apart at some point and a new brake pad installed. The pert tub machines can get away with it more than the solid tub.
worn brake pads inside the tranny. GE's will eventually wear to the point you get "sympathetic spin" , especially bad in the solid tub machines, as all the wash water gets spun out. tranny needs to be taken apart at some point and a new brake pad installed. The pert tub machines can get away with it more than the solid tub.
doug
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Yes, thanks, this is my problem. The agitator spline is stuck to the tranny. I pulled the agitator off of the spline. And my question was how to properly replace a new spline in the agitator?
Yes, thanks, this is my problem. The agitator spline is stuck to the tranny. I pulled the agitator off of the spline. And my question was how to properly replace a new spline in the agitator?
Doug, it might be easier to find a complete activator than to try to replace the spline in your current activator. I don't know if it's even possible to do so actually, although someone will come along here and tell us both how, or offer you a replacement activator.
doug
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Thanks
Yea I feel the same, I hope someone has a extra 1 around
Yea I feel the same, I hope someone has a extra 1 around
toggleswitch
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It is a fun machine.
And It is such a good feeling to share my toys with awesome bois.
LOL
And It is such a good feeling to share my toys with awesome bois.
LOL
redcarpetdrew
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Yes, you can get the drive block separately and save the agitator. Been there, done that. I've had to use a Dremel and cut the old frozen drive block off the shaft. Clean the threads on the trans shaft and make sure you use the new agi keeper ring that comes with the new block. As far as seating the new block in the agi, I've used Windex as a lubricant while pressing it in. People have used other stuff to lube it but can run the risk of it being too oily or degrading the rubber...
GE FF's have also been one of the washers that usually respond well to the Agi tamer when trying to pull a stuck agitator...
RCD
GE FF's have also been one of the washers that usually respond well to the Agi tamer when trying to pull a stuck agitator...
RCD
doug
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Good news!
What exactly is a agi keeper ring? Also, if i get a used spline to put in my agitator, will that be all ill need? Thanks
What exactly is a agi keeper ring? Also, if i get a used spline to put in my agitator, will that be all ill need? Thanks
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yogitunes
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question is how badly damaged are the splines of the rubber part that is causing it to slip?.....I am wondering if the ruber part broke free from the metal shaft causing it to slip.....
pics would help to make sure your getting the exact parts you need.....
pics would help to make sure your getting the exact parts you need.....
doug
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Yea I need to post some pics. When I go home ill take some. We been up my g-mals. I think my problem is maybe I put to much Vaseline on the outer rubber of the spline but I'll have to take pics and go from there!
doug
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Yea I need to post some pics. When I go home ill take some. We been up my g-mals. I think my problem is maybe I put to much Vaseline on the outer rubber of the spline but I'll have to take pics and go from there!
launderess
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